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Post by stc13 on Dec 3, 2017 13:12:21 GMT -5
I agree with you. I don't get why some people go on boards and trash other peoples ideas for figures. Just because some people wouldn't buy a figure it doesn't mean that other people wouldn't. And, I get that some of the older guys (pre attitude era) are not going to sell well - unless they are the huge names (like Savage, Warrior, Hogan, Piper, etc.) but that doesn't mean they shouldn't get made. They can always have them as limited releases (like Virgil and Yankem) that way people who do want them can buy them and that way they won't clog the shelves for other figures. I have the mindset of I hope people get what they want. However, I do not think that Rocky Johnson would sell well today. But, I don't think that a Rocky Johnson/Tony Atlas set would do any worse than the Wild Samoans. If they put them as a limited release set (kind-of like Virgil and Yankem) it would be better than a wide distribution so they don't clog shelves. Mattel wants to make money so they make people who they think will sell. And if they don't sell strong enough for Mattel and WWE, they rarely get another shot. It's not a charity where everyone gets a chance for a figure. I want a Nick Bockwinkel figure. That's probably never happening. There are cruiserweights who probably will never get a figure. Same for some the ladies. Bingo. I think Bill has done an amazing job building a well-selling line that also works in some obscure figures that niche collectors love. It's not a meritocracy. Figures that Mattel believes will sell and who are under contract get made sooner or later, and would have appeal among what I assume are Mattel's primary demographics - kids and adult collectors who watched wrestling between the late 80's-the early 00's. Even shortpacked and limited release figures have thousands of pieces produced to make production cost efficient. The reality is that some wrestlers will never sell those kinds of quantities at retail, even though they are figures that some of us would love to have in our collections. |
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Post by natureboyfauser on Dec 3, 2017 13:51:01 GMT -5
Bill has done an amazing job ... which is why I spend so much money on these figures and want to spend more by suggesting figures I would like to see. So I will suggest and endorse Rocky Johnson and Tony Atlas. I will make suggestions that Bob Backlund was the WWF Champion for 6 years ... then in the 90's he was the Champion again. He has been under contract for a long time ... he is a Hall of Famer ... he has a rich history ... and I am going to recommend him too to show my love for a "Niche figure". And Billy Superstar Graham and Bruiser Brody and Harley Race and on and on ... so I am going to show my endorsement over and over so that you can categorize me with your broad sweeping statement that "Niche Collectors love" whooooooooooooooo! So deal with it.
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Dec 4, 2017 6:29:46 GMT -5
Bill has done an amazing job ... which is why I spend so much money on these figures and want to spend more by suggesting figures I would like to see. So I will suggest and endorse Rocky Johnson and Tony Atlas. I will make suggestions that Bob Backlund was the WWF Champion for 6 years ... then in the 90's he was the Champion again. He has been under contract for a long time ... he is a Hall of Famer ... he has a rich history ... and I am going to recommend him too to show my love for a "Niche figure". And Billy Superstar Graham and Bruiser Brody and Harley Race and on and on ... so I am going to show my endorsement over and over so that you can categorize me with your broad sweeping statement that "Niche Collectors love" whooooooooooooooo! So deal with it. Here's the thing about being a niche collector (Which I am also but you seem not to understand), our numbers are not large enough to make catering to our whims financially feasible. What happens if we do get a Rocky Johnson elite and he doesn't sell good? That makes the next old school legend we ask for almost nigh impossible. It's not a coincidence that the number of mostly Flashback series dropped dramatically when they stalled selling. RSC knows there are people who want wrestlers pre Hulkamania or from that era but they stick with folks from the Monday Night Wars with only a few as the exception. Even they don't feel it will sell enough to make it worth their time. So with all the increase of store exclusive series with them being more Flashback centric, it is up to them to request a Rocky Johnson & people like that. But they are picking safe bets like Savage, Austin, and Andre rather than taking the risk. With TRU being the lone exception and they cannot restock sold out stuff because of credit issues. Makes the prospect of adding new stuff slim. |
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Post by kennyw86 on Dec 4, 2017 7:06:43 GMT -5
Ask mrs. Johnson
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Post by natureboyfauser on Dec 4, 2017 7:33:53 GMT -5
Mr. Ezeikal Jackson, You don't seem to understand. You are once again speaking for Mattel. Do you work for them? Do you have quotes from Bill or anyone who will substantiate what you just said as fact? Or is that your SPECULATION? So Shock Master is a bigger seller than Bob Backlund? So they will never make Bob Backlund?  ? Shark is bigger than Rocky Johnson? They can't put a 1 per assortment in the elite line per my Toybiz scenario? They can't keep doing store exclusives? What if store buyers look at this forum and see your negativity? If you are a true fan of legends why do you keep knocking it? If you know from Mattel what you say is true - quote them. Give us sources. If not I am ENCOURAGING you to be positive. If that is possible.  |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 4, 2017 11:41:09 GMT -5
Bill has done an amazing job ... which is why I spend so much money on these figures and want to spend more by suggesting figures I would like to see. So I will suggest and endorse Rocky Johnson and Tony Atlas. I will make suggestions that Bob Backlund was the WWF Champion for 6 years ... then in the 90's he was the Champion again. He has been under contract for a long time ... he is a Hall of Famer ... he has a rich history ... and I am going to recommend him too to show my love for a "Niche figure". And Billy Superstar Graham and Bruiser Brody and Harley Race and on and on ... so I am going to show my endorsement over and over so that you can categorize me with your broad sweeping statement that "Niche Collectors love" whooooooooooooooo! So deal with it. Here's the thing about being a niche collector (Which I am also but you seem not to understand), our numbers are not large enough to make catering to our whims financially feasible. What happens if we do get a Rocky Johnson elite and he doesn't sell good? That makes the next old school legend we ask for almost nigh impossible. It's not a coincidence that the number of mostly Flashback series dropped dramatically when they stalled selling. RSC knows there are people who want wrestlers pre Hulkamania or from that era but they stick with folks from the Monday Night Wars with only a few as the exception. Even they don't feel it will sell enough to make it worth their time. So with all the increase of store exclusive series with them being more Flashback centric, it is up to them to request a Rocky Johnson & people like that. But they are picking safe bets like Savage, Austin, and Andre rather than taking the risk. With TRU being the lone exception and they cannot restock sold out stuff because of credit issues. Makes the prospect of adding new stuff slim. I agree with you, to some degree. I get that Mattel wants to make money and that is why we get so many Savages (which I am okay with) and Warrior (which I am okay with, though we need more 1996 warriors) and Austin's (though we need Hollywood Blonde Austin) etc. rather than some of the lesser known legends before the WrestleMania era. But I still can't imagine that a Shark figure, or a Shockmaster figure, or a Wild Samoans set would sell better than a Hercules, a Superstar Billy Graham, a Bob Backund, or a Greg Valentine figure. And I am all for limited releases for such figures, like they did with Virgil and Isaac Yankem, for the majority of the pre-Monday night war obscure legends. As I think that most people who would purchase those specific figure would be too. Besides, I have been looking at this post for a few years now and I don't remember seeing that may if anyone asking for a Shockmaster figure or a Wild Samoans set. You have to remember, this is just a fun board about wrestling figures, we all get to say who we would like to have made. Does that mean they are going to get made, no. But, its fun to speculate and offer suggestions even though mattel probably doesn't even know we exist. So if you want more Ezekiel Jackson's then the Nature Boy can want Rocky Johnson. And can I please get a Power and Glory set already! Also, I think you missed the point of his original post. All he said is he doesn't get why people have to crap all over other people's want lists just because you don't want a figure or don't think it is ever going to get made. Just because he suggests a figure doesn't mean that a figure you want won't get made. |
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Dec 4, 2017 12:09:56 GMT -5
Mr. Ezeikal Jackson, You don't seem to understand. You are once again speaking for Mattel. Do you work for them? Do you have quotes from Bill or anyone who will substantiate what you just said as fact? Or is that your SPECULATION? So Shock Master is a bigger seller than Bob Backlund? So they will never make Bob Backlund? ? Shark is bigger than Rocky Johnson? They can't put a 1 per assortment in the elite line per my Toybiz scenario? They can't keep doing store exclusives? What if store buyers look at this forum and see your negativity? If you are a true fan of legends why do you keep knocking it? If you know from Mattel what you say is true - quote them. Give us sources. If not I am ENCOURAGING you to be positive. If that is possible. Mattel and WWE decide on who get made. Bill follows their orders and design who they ask for. We just make suggestions with the hope of them making them. "True fan" is a crap phrase. I like Flashback elites but I'm connected to reality and know they are a hard sell with buyers outside our bubble. Rocky Johnson is not well known enough currently for even a limited release. He's not flashy enough to make as an elite. Some only know him as the Rock's dad or being former WWWF tag champs with Tony Atlas. How many know what he did beyond that? Don't look for that on the WWE Network because it's not there. If someone like the Shark or the Wild Samoans do strong enough in sells, we get more stuff like that. If not, the Flashbacks' flow slow. Not rocket science. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 12:14:59 GMT -5
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 4, 2017 12:20:09 GMT -5
Mr. Ezeikal Jackson, You don't seem to understand. You are once again speaking for Mattel. Do you work for them? Do you have quotes from Bill or anyone who will substantiate what you just said as fact? Or is that your SPECULATION? So Shock Master is a bigger seller than Bob Backlund? So they will never make Bob Backlund? ? Shark is bigger than Rocky Johnson? They can't put a 1 per assortment in the elite line per my Toybiz scenario? They can't keep doing store exclusives? What if store buyers look at this forum and see your negativity? If you are a true fan of legends why do you keep knocking it? If you know from Mattel what you say is true - quote them. Give us sources. If not I am ENCOURAGING you to be positive. If that is possible. Mattel and WWE decide on who get made. Bill follows their orders and design who they ask for. We just make suggestions with the hope of them making them. "True fan" is a crap phrase. I like Flashback elites but I'm connected to reality and know they are a hard sell with buyers outside our bubble. Rocky Johnson is not well known enough currently for even a limited release. He's not flashy enough to make as an elite. Some only know him as the Rock's dad or being former WWWF tag champs with Tony Atlas. How many know what he did beyond that? Don't look for that on the WWE Network because it's not there. If someone like the Shark or the Wild Samoans do strong enough in sells, we get more stuff like that. If not, the Flashbacks' flow slow. Not rocket science. BILl has more pull than you think on who gets made. Did you listen to the podcast with him on it? |
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Dec 4, 2017 12:20:52 GMT -5
Here's the thing about being a niche collector (Which I am also but you seem not to understand), our numbers are not large enough to make catering to our whims financially feasible. What happens if we do get a Rocky Johnson elite and he doesn't sell good? That makes the next old school legend we ask for almost nigh impossible. It's not a coincidence that the number of mostly Flashback series dropped dramatically when they stalled selling. RSC knows there are people who want wrestlers pre Hulkamania or from that era but they stick with folks from the Monday Night Wars with only a few as the exception. Even they don't feel it will sell enough to make it worth their time. So with all the increase of store exclusive series with them being more Flashback centric, it is up to them to request a Rocky Johnson & people like that. But they are picking safe bets like Savage, Austin, and Andre rather than taking the risk. With TRU being the lone exception and they cannot restock sold out stuff because of credit issues. Makes the prospect of adding new stuff slim. I agree with you, to some degree. I get that Mattel wants to make money and that is why we get so many Savages (which I am okay with) and Warrior (which I am okay with, though we need more 1996 warriors) and Austin's (though we need Hollywood Blonde Austin) etc. rather than some of the lesser known legends before the WrestleMania era. But I still can't imagine that a Shark figure, or a Shockmaster figure, or a Wild Samoans set would sell better than a Hercules, a Superstar Billy Graham, a Bob Backund, or a Greg Valentine figure. And I am all for limited releases for such figures, like they did with Virgil and Isaac Yankem, for the majority of the pre-Monday night war obscure legends. As I think that most people who would purchase those specific figure would be too. Besides, I have been looking at this post for a few years now and I don't remember seeing that may if anyone asking for a Shockmaster figure or a Wild Samoans set. You have to remember, this is just a fun board about wrestling figures, we all get to say who we would like to have made. Does that mean they are going to get made, no. But, its fun to speculate and offer suggestions even though mattel probably doesn't even know we exist. So if you want more Ezekiel Jackson's then the Nature Boy can want Rocky Johnson. And can I please get a Power and Glory set already! Also, I think you missed the point of his original post. All he said is he doesn't get why people have to crap all over other people's want lists just because you don't want a figure or don't think it is ever going to get made. Just because he suggests a figure doesn't mean that a figure you want won't get made. Actually the people on top of my most wanted list are Bockwinkel, Simmons, Backlund, and Graham. Already got enough Ezekiel Jacksons. My point is that we all toss out suggestions and requests for people. We all done it. And we all shot down some of other people's wishlists. Guarantee Flashback fans aren't feeling folks requesting NXT wrestlers. WWE and Mattel have the final decision. They make some head scratching picks and they make perfect choices. |
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Post by Mr Ezekiel Jackson If Ya Nasty on Dec 4, 2017 12:23:16 GMT -5
Mattel and WWE decide on who get made. Bill follows their orders and design who they ask for. We just make suggestions with the hope of them making them. "True fan" is a crap phrase. I like Flashback elites but I'm connected to reality and know they are a hard sell with buyers outside our bubble. Rocky Johnson is not well known enough currently for even a limited release. He's not flashy enough to make as an elite. Some only know him as the Rock's dad or being former WWWF tag champs with Tony Atlas. How many know what he did beyond that? Don't look for that on the WWE Network because it's not there. If someone like the Shark or the Wild Samoans do strong enough in sells, we get more stuff like that. If not, the Flashbacks' flow slow. Not rocket science. BILl has more pull than you think on who gets made. Did you listen to the podcast with him on it? He's not going outlaw. Otherwise he would had made Owen Hart, Hollywood Hogan, and a ton of WCW luchadors like he wants to. He got pull but not control. |
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Post by natureboyfauser on Dec 4, 2017 14:38:43 GMT -5
Well, you only hear what you want to hear. You run Mattel - you have all of the answers ... no need for a board or wishes ... people should just e-mail you. The WWE Hall of Fame means nothing - The Rock's dad - Rocky Johnson the first African American Tag Team to win a championship are not as good as the Shockmaster. Got it. No, I live in reality ... I have a strong feeling the WWE didn't go to Bill and say we want you to make the Shockmaster. LOL. But again ... you have all of the answers and you work and own Mattel ... we just troll hear hoping you will hear us so you could tell the WWE so they can tell Bill what to do. GEEZ! |
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Post by kennyw86 on Dec 4, 2017 16:47:38 GMT -5
This is what I caaaaaaame here to say. Seems way too personal a question for a forum to know the answer to |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Dec 4, 2017 17:25:35 GMT -5
BILl has more pull than you think on who gets made. Did you listen to the podcast with him on it? He's not going outlaw. Otherwise he would had made Owen Hart, Hollywood Hogan, and a ton of WCW luchadors like he wants to. He got pull but not control. Lol what? Stop it.The fact you threw Owen and Hogan in there is beyond laughable. They aren’t under any kind of contract at all so how would that even be plausible? Like I asked you did you even listen to the podcast with Bill on it? |
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Post by Chicago on Dec 4, 2017 17:30:08 GMT -5
I'm surprised that this thread lasted as long as it did. If you'd like to suggest Rocky Johnson, I'd recommend doing so here. Will Mattel make a Rocky Johnson? I don't know. Bill gave us an answer (no) back in June, and that will have to do for now. |
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