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Post by King Richius on Mar 9, 2018 16:20:17 GMT -5
Also, HoF talk real quick. I don't agree with readjusting it. Most of the guys in there deserve it for either their characters or their contributions to WFWF, and in the cases of Drakz, Raider, Frost, King DBag, Kyzer, Yukio, Thunder, Wayne and E, both. Place wouldn't be what it is today without a large chunk of them. I'd bite on the factions maybe because those were all purely storyline, but even then, the Epoch and Axis at their heights held EVERY title available at the same time at one point. The tentative plans we have keep this in mind. Nobody is going to get expunged from the history books. Every name currently in the HoF would still be in a new HoF but with varying levels of recognition. It's almost Orwellian in concept: We are all equal but some are more equal than others. In any case, we will go with the majority and take all of your concerns into consideration. We welcome discussion. <Good gawd, I sound like a freakin' politician. Somebody shoot me.> |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 9, 2018 16:27:21 GMT -5
Also, HoF talk real quick. I don't agree with readjusting it. Most of the guys in there deserve it for either their characters or their contributions to WFWF, and in the cases of Drakz, Raider, Frost, King DBag, Kyzer, Yukio, Thunder, Wayne and E, both. Place wouldn't be what it is today without a large chunk of them. I'd bite on the factions maybe because those were all purely storyline, but even then, the Epoch and Axis at their heights held EVERY title available at the same time at one point. The tentative plans we have keep this in mind. Nobody is going to get expunged from the history books. Every name currently in the HoF would still be in a new HoF but with varying levels of recognition. It's almost Orwellian in concept: We are all equal but some are more equal than others. In any case, we will go with the majority and take all of your concerns into consideration. We welcome discussion. <Good gawd, I sound like a freakin' politician. Somebody shoot me.> As an aside - trust me, if it were up to me, this move would be very Orwellian in nature, in that I'd be telling the lot of you that you'll drink your Victory Brand Coffee and you'll like it, Mr. Smith. |
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Post by The Gangsta on Mar 9, 2018 21:42:38 GMT -5
If you're genuinely interested and wanna be my friend, you're my friend! I can tell you about my tenure here. Nothing great. To me it was awesome, but in the grand scheme nothing great. Nothing to make me a certified WFWF HOFer. I mean, you were the longest reigning National Champ for a while until some guy named Ante got it and never defended it. I consider you more legit. Sorry Whitner.  Someone's still salty from the loss they were handed at Homecoming from January 2015  . But in all fairness, I defended three times I believe, twice from the same person. |
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Post by sonstuds on Mar 10, 2018 0:25:40 GMT -5
My opinion means nothing anymore. That said, changing the WFWF history is such a tyrannical dictatorship move that I respect it and will be disappointed if you don't. I just wish I could have contributed by actually going through with my plan in '11 to add a character who never existed to the Hall of Fame.
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Post by Kyzer on Mar 10, 2018 0:58:46 GMT -5
Gut the Hall of Fame. There are too many sh~tty writers in it. They don't deserve it. Gut the trash.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 10, 2018 6:22:06 GMT -5
Gut the Hall of Fame. There are too many sh~tty writers in it. They don't deserve it. Gut the trash. and now you see my concern, because he's not being sarcastic for once. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 10, 2018 7:11:35 GMT -5
"Literally every name there now will still be there in some form or another when we're done"
"BUT M'LEGACIES!!!!"
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Post by King Richius on Mar 10, 2018 8:39:01 GMT -5
Everybody take a deep breath and leave the HoF discussion for tomorrow.
The Back to Basics results have been posted! I actually had butterflies when I hit the send button.
New show sign up later today or tomorrow.
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Post by Kyzer on Mar 10, 2018 12:19:22 GMT -5
Gut the Hall of Fame. There are too many sh~tty writers in it. They don't deserve it. Gut the trash. and now you see my concern, because he's not being sarcastic for once. I would rather be honest than sugar coat things so people on the internet like me more like you do. I have always thought of the Hall of Fame as something you should earn for writing good rps and being creative. I don't think people should get it for just being around for a long time like you seem to think. Yukio is the prime example. You talk about all the things here he did here for you and other people starting out and that is all great. But being great at boosting self esteem and writing something interesting are two different things. And this is not an angle fed where people win based on storyline so I don't see why we recognize those with longevity but no real talent. I loved Zmaster as a person but every rp was the same thing with him. Why does he get in the hall of fame for sticking around for years writing the same exact thing. Can you even tell me what his gimmick was? You can't because he didn't have one. It was just that he had been here forever getting steamrolled by his co mods when he ran the place. Justa Mazing is in the hall of fame when he only won the title because he was the mod and wanted a title run. That is straight from him. His writing wasn't anything outstanding. I would say Immune sitting in a cage was a more entertaining rp than anything Justa put out but yet he is in the hall of fame. What a waste. What is the point of something exclusive like a hall of fame if you just let in every schmuck that has been through this place? |
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 10, 2018 12:44:28 GMT -5
King Richius and now you see my concern, because he's not being sarcastic for once. I would rather be honest than sugar coat things so people on the internet like me more like you do. I have always thought of the Hall of Fame as something you should earn for writing good rps and being creative. I don't think people should get it for just being around for a long time like you seem to think. Yukio is the prime example. You talk about all the things here he did here for you and other people starting out and that is all great. But being great at boosting self esteem and writing something interesting are two different things. And this is not an angle fed where people win based on storyline so I don't see why we recognize those with longevity but no real talent. I loved Zmaster as a person but every rp was the same thing with him. Why does he get in the hall of fame for sticking around for years writing the same exact thing. Can you even tell me what his gimmick was? You can't because he didn't have one. It was just that he had been here forever getting steamrolled by his co mods when he ran the place. Justa Mazing is in the hall of fame when he only won the title because he was the mod and wanted a title run. That is straight from him. His writing wasn't anything outstanding. I would say Immune sitting in a cage was a more entertaining rp than anything Justa put out but yet he is in the hall of fame. What a waste. What is the point of something exclusive like a hall of fame if you just let in every schmuck that has been through this place? Mazing and ZMaster were in before I got here. So you truly believe only great writers should be in the HoF, and not the people who quite literally kept this place alive so you still have somewhere to come to today? This place would have been deleted back in 2009 if it weren't for Yukio, Thunder, E, Wayne and later Trace and his medley of Co owners. Contributions to the betterment, and in some cases survival, of this board need to be taken into account otherwise anyone with this mindset is quite literally doing nothing but stroking their own ego for the sake of just doing it, eff the rest of the work that goes into a fed. |
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Post by King Richius on Mar 10, 2018 12:52:39 GMT -5
King Richius and now you see my concern, because he's not being sarcastic for once. I would rather be honest than sugar coat things so people on the internet like me more like you do. I have always thought of the Hall of Fame as something you should earn for writing good rps and being creative. I don't think people should get it for just being around for a long time like you seem to think. Yukio is the prime example. You talk about all the things here he did here for you and other people starting out and that is all great. But being great at boosting self esteem and writing something interesting are two different things. And this is not an angle fed where people win based on storyline so I don't see why we recognize those with longevity but no real talent. I loved Zmaster as a person but every rp was the same thing with him. Why does he get in the hall of fame for sticking around for years writing the same exact thing. Can you even tell me what his gimmick was? You can't because he didn't have one. It was just that he had been here forever getting steamrolled by his co mods when he ran the place. Justa Mazing is in the hall of fame when he only won the title because he was the mod and wanted a title run. That is straight from him. His writing wasn't anything outstanding. I would say Immune sitting in a cage was a more entertaining rp than anything Justa put out but yet he is in the hall of fame. What a waste. What is the point of something exclusive like a hall of fame if you just let in every schmuck that has been through this place? I think this illustrates a major problem with the HoF that makes it hard to take seriously. There is no set criteria or standard process for what makes a person a HoFer. Is it being a talented writer? Longevity? A so-so writer who contributed a lot to the fed in other ways behind the scenes? The fact that Sonstuds probably could have snuck a non-existent character into the list and nobody would have noticed says a lot. That's part of what Brennan and I want to address, if the majority give us the green light. And we don't intend to do it alone. We will get input from a lot of people. The other goal is to make it something more than a simple list of names. Add some bio info and career highlights that remind us why they are in the HoF. Make the HoF page a place you actually want to read for enjoyment and historical context. Perhaps I'm placing too much emphasis on the HoF but the WFWF has a long history and I think the HoF should honor that history, not bury it in controversy and fading memories leading to questions like "Who the hell is Justun Stoppable? Is he in for worst name ever?" |
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 10, 2018 12:59:47 GMT -5
I would rather be honest than sugar coat things so people on the internet like me more like you do. I have always thought of the Hall of Fame as something you should earn for writing good rps and being creative. I don't think people should get it for just being around for a long time like you seem to think. Yukio is the prime example. You talk about all the things here he did here for you and other people starting out and that is all great. But being great at boosting self esteem and writing something interesting are two different things. And this is not an angle fed where people win based on storyline so I don't see why we recognize those with longevity but no real talent. I loved Zmaster as a person but every rp was the same thing with him. Why does he get in the hall of fame for sticking around for years writing the same exact thing. Can you even tell me what his gimmick was? You can't because he didn't have one. It was just that he had been here forever getting steamrolled by his co mods when he ran the place. Justa Mazing is in the hall of fame when he only won the title because he was the mod and wanted a title run. That is straight from him. His writing wasn't anything outstanding. I would say Immune sitting in a cage was a more entertaining rp than anything Justa put out but yet he is in the hall of fame. What a waste. What is the point of something exclusive like a hall of fame if you just let in every schmuck that has been through this place? I think this illustrates a major problem with the HoF that makes it hard to take seriously. There is no set criteria or standard process for what makes a person a HoFer. Is it being a talented writer? Longevity? A so-so writer who contributed a lot to the fed in other ways behind the scenes? The fact that Sonstuds probably could have snuck a non-existent character into the list and nobody would have noticed says a lot. That's part of what Brennan and I want to address, if the majority give us the green light. And we don't intend to do it alone. We will get input from a lot of people. The other goal is to make it something more than a simple list of names. Add some bio info and career highlights that remind us why they are in the HoF. Make the HoF page a place you actually want to read for enjoyment and historical context. Perhaps I'm placing too much emphasis on the HoF but the WFWF has a long history and I think the HoF should honor that history, not bury it in controversy and fading memories leading to questions like "Who the hell is Justun Stoppable? Is he in for worst name ever?" And see, this is fine. But desiring a total cleansing and purge of anyone that doesn't meet a very certain group of peoples' criteria is absolutely ludicrous. Sure, I have takes on who should be in and shouldn't just like anyone else who's been here long enough. Difference is, while I love the idea you and Brennan have, a majority of the people in the HoF are going to get shafted because it'll almost always be 2-1 or 3-1 in agreement/disagreement, with one certain mindset having a distinct advantage in how this situation plays out. Now I know Brennan said anyone in isn't getting axed. But let's be honest here, there's gonna be a lot of push for it coming from one side, or at the very least if the plan stays the same everyone who doesn't meet a certain criteria gets a * next to their name, and it's going to eventually cause problems within the fed itself, because controversial things always do...and it RARELY turns out well. And this is trivial compared to some other issues we've had, and Kyzer and I are already "discussing aggressively." |
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Post by King Richius on Mar 10, 2018 13:22:25 GMT -5
Simple question for bad guy™ and Kyzer : would you be appeased if the HoF was divided into two classes: "Characters" which would recognize great writing and "Members" which would recognize great contributions to the fed? And before you ask... yes, I think a person who was both a great writer and contributed a lot behind the scenes could be in both classes. |
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Post by Cameron Stone on Mar 10, 2018 13:22:48 GMT -5
I think you just leave it and be more selective who you add going forward. But if you cleanse it, total cleanse. Don't want to see a "we're cleaning it up, but keeping ourselves in" kind of thing.
And dear god re reading my rps I honestly kind of sucked except for like 4 pieces over my entire run. Even those were just solid. I don't know if I had a truly great piece
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 10, 2018 14:02:06 GMT -5
I really have no clue what to say right now. You wanted Thunder to step down, and he did so. And now you aren't even willing to give me the chance to make this place better? Come on now. This is the start of a new year in the WFWF, and I am dedicated to making it the best year I possibly can. However, I can't help the WFWF become better and stronger if everyone leaves and doesn't give me a chance whatsoever. I can't stop anyone from leaving, but I really wish you all and anyone else considering leaving would give me the chance to make the WFWF successful again. |
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 10, 2018 14:07:51 GMT -5
I really have no clue what to say right now. You wanted Thunder to step down, and he did so. And now you aren't even willing to give me the chance to make this place better? Come on now. This is the start of a new year in the WFWF, and I am dedicated to making it the best year I possibly can. However, I can't help the WFWF become better and stronger if everyone leaves and doesn't give me a chance whatsoever. I can't stop anyone from leaving, but I really wish you all and anyone else considering leaving would give me the chance to make the WFWF successful again. Hey, I'm not disagreeing. The parallels are there. |
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 10, 2018 14:14:50 GMT -5
Hey, I'm not disagreeing. The parallels are there. Just as long as I make plainly, perfectly clear that the moves I want to make are my own and not being influenced by some imaginary band of e-fed lobbyists. |
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Post by Devilkiller on Mar 10, 2018 16:11:11 GMT -5
Not trying to go off topic, I understand there's a serious situation going on with HOF, but if some don't wanna concentrate on that.
So has anyone ever used themselves as a pic base? I'm thinking I might.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 10, 2018 16:35:22 GMT -5
Not trying to go off topic, I understand there's a serious situation going on with HOF, but if some don't wanna concentrate on that. So has anyone ever used themselves as a pic base? I'm thinking I might. Oh pffft, the HoF thing is a blip on the radar. It hasn't descended into name calling and middle finger gifs so we'll work it out. I can't speak to the past but I think it would be cool to use yourself as a pic base, provided you have some big quality images on line for us to use in show posters. You wouldn't have to worry that somebody else was already using it, right? |
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Post by Rated R on Mar 10, 2018 17:11:42 GMT -5
For what it's worth, and since I no longer have to care about playing the fair owner if I ever bothered in the first place, I am fully behind gutting the hall of fame. Plenty of names I would have cut if I'd had the support from whichever of the many co-owners I put the idea to.
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I dont know good luck 
