Devilkiller
Main Eventer
WFWF. Go see about it.
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Post by Devilkiller on Mar 10, 2018 19:36:45 GMT -5
Not trying to go off topic, I understand there's a serious situation going on with HOF, but if some don't wanna concentrate on that. So has anyone ever used themselves as a pic base? I'm thinking I might. Oh pffft, the HoF thing is a blip on the radar. It hasn't descended into name calling and middle finger gifs so we'll work it out. I can't speak to the past but I think it would be cool to use yourself as a pic base, provided you have some big quality images on line for us to use in show posters. You wouldn't have to worry that somebody else was already using it, right? Exactly. Plus it captures what the character looks like. I just don't feel like putting on the spandex for the first time in a year for a photo shoot.
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Post by Kyzer on Mar 10, 2018 23:26:49 GMT -5
Not trying to go off topic, I understand there's a serious situation going on with HOF, but if some don't wanna concentrate on that. So has anyone ever used themselves as a pic base? I'm thinking I might. Shane O'Riley did way back in the day.
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Post by Kyzer on Mar 10, 2018 23:52:47 GMT -5
I would rather be honest than sugar coat things so people on the internet like me more like you do. I have always thought of the Hall of Fame as something you should earn for writing good rps and being creative. I don't think people should get it for just being around for a long time like you seem to think. Yukio is the prime example. You talk about all the things here he did here for you and other people starting out and that is all great. But being great at boosting self esteem and writing something interesting are two different things. And this is not an angle fed where people win based on storyline so I don't see why we recognize those with longevity but no real talent. I loved Zmaster as a person but every rp was the same thing with him. Why does he get in the hall of fame for sticking around for years writing the same exact thing. Can you even tell me what his gimmick was? You can't because he didn't have one. It was just that he had been here forever getting steamrolled by his co mods when he ran the place. Justa Mazing is in the hall of fame when he only won the title because he was the mod and wanted a title run. That is straight from him. His writing wasn't anything outstanding. I would say Immune sitting in a cage was a more entertaining rp than anything Justa put out but yet he is in the hall of fame. What a waste. What is the point of something exclusive like a hall of fame if you just let in every schmuck that has been through this place? Mazing and ZMaster were in before I got here. So you truly believe only great writers should be in the HoF, and not the people who quite literally kept this place alive so you still have somewhere to come to today? This place would have been deleted back in 2009 if it weren't for Yukio, Thunder, E, Wayne and later Trace and his medley of Co owners. Contributions to the betterment, and in some cases survival, of this board need to be taken into account otherwise anyone with this mindset is quite literally doing nothing but stroking their own ego for the sake of just doing it, eff the rest of the work that goes into a fed. I think this illustrates a major problem with the HoF that makes it hard to take seriously. There is no set criteria or standard process for what makes a person a HoFer. Is it being a talented writer? Longevity? A so-so writer who contributed a lot to the fed in other ways behind the scenes? The fact that Sonstuds probably could have snuck a non-existent character into the list and nobody would have noticed says a lot. That's part of what Brennan and I want to address, if the majority give us the green light. And we don't intend to do it alone. We will get input from a lot of people. The other goal is to make it something more than a simple list of names. Add some bio info and career highlights that remind us why they are in the HoF. Make the HoF page a place you actually want to read for enjoyment and historical context. Perhaps I'm placing too much emphasis on the HoF but the WFWF has a long history and I think the HoF should honor that history, not bury it in controversy and fading memories leading to questions like "Who the hell is Justun Stoppable? Is he in for worst name ever?" And see, this is fine. But desiring a total cleansing and purge of anyone that doesn't meet a very certain group of peoples' criteria is absolutely ludicrous. Sure, I have takes on who should be in and shouldn't just like anyone else who's been here long enough. Difference is, while I love the idea you and Brennan have, a majority of the people in the HoF are going to get shafted because it'll almost always be 2-1 or 3-1 in agreement/disagreement, with one certain mindset having a distinct advantage in how this situation plays out. Now I know Brennan said anyone in isn't getting axed. But let's be honest here, there's gonna be a lot of push for it coming from one side, or at the very least if the plan stays the same everyone who doesn't meet a certain criteria gets a * next to their name, and it's going to eventually cause problems within the fed itself, because controversial things always do...and it RARELY turns out well. And this is trivial compared to some other issues we've had, and Kyzer and I are already "discussing aggressively." Yes I do think only great writers should get into an e-fed hall of fame. E-fedding is more about writing stories than it is about wrestling. It is all great and good that Yukio or whoever the f~ck held this place together whenever. With all the traffic on this board, this fed is going to continue no matter who is around. It has gone dormant multiple times and it always comes back. Seeing as how I know how much goes into running this fed, I would never use that an excuse to be in a fictional hall of fame for my fictional character in the fictional wrestling promotion. Just because someone was a mod or wrote some shows doesn't make their character any more relevant. If they suck, they suck and shouldn't be getting praise for sucking. This isn't some rec league soccer where everyone deserves a trophy. No everyone does. Why is it ludicrous? Are you worried that you might be one of the ones gutted from the hall of fame without all the sh~t you did as owner working to your advantage? Or are you worried about the feelings of people who aren't active anymore? I honestly don't care about being in it myself but if I am in it, I don't want to be lumped in with a bunch of hack job writers. I have no problem being in the company of Trace, Drakz, Alex Sean, EBR or Mike and some others. They are all great writers who proved they deserve it. But I do have a problem with it being assumed that some one like Yukio or Johnny Michaels was on the same level as myself or the guys I named. I have strong opinions about Obo but he deserved his spot. He doesn't deserve to be lumped into the same category as say CBT or "Man Of The Hour" Josh. Obo is head and shoulders above those guys. There are people in the Hall of Fame who are there because they deserve it and there are people in the Hall of Fame who are there because someone in power liked them. The latter is what I think should be cut. And if their feelings get hurt so be it. The world doesn't cater to snowflakes.
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Post by Kyzer on Mar 10, 2018 23:58:09 GMT -5
Simple question for bad guy™ and Kyzer : would you be appeased if the HoF was divided into two classes: "Characters" which would recognize great writing and "Members" which would recognize great contributions to the fed? And before you ask... yes, I think a person who was both a great writer and contributed a lot behind the scenes could be in both classes. I don't have an opinion about a hall of fame for the handlers. I just don't want to be thought of in the same group as sh~tty writers.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 11, 2018 3:13:29 GMT -5
What a way to wake up from a very pleasant nap... This is my final plea for cooler heads before the discussion gets any uglier. I can understand why previous owners haven't done anything to the HoF. It barely took a day for us to approach the line that separates vigorous debate from personal attacks, which I personally will not tolerate. Deep Figure Value and I should throw our arms in the air and say it's not worth the grief, delete some posts, and zap you all with our Men in Black light pen so you forget this ever happened. The HoF is obviously hot button issue for some and a big fat load of "who cares" for others. I fall in the latter category because a list of names with no context means zip to me. That's why I was interested in an overhaul. And this was as much my idea as it was Deep Figure Value 's. You wanna' point fingers, you'll have to use two of them. In my two years here I've seen that the WFWF has two types of honorifics: the Hall of Fame and the End of Year awards. The HoF is a source of controversy, complaints, and contempt. The End of Year awards, when we do them, are the complete opposite. Nobody has lost their mind over the ____ of the Year winners. We recognize the winners with congratulatory slaps on the back and friendly warnings of "wait 'til next year". Ask yourself why? The answer is simple. The End of Year Awards have clearly defined criteria and a set process of a democratic vote to decide the winners. The HoF has no defined criteria and no set process. As far as I can tell, the HoF is literally a crap shoot of whoever the people in power decided to add to the list. Apparently, some took it seriously and others f***ed around. None could be bothered to leave an explanation for the next generation of members as to why someone is in the HoF, not even a short sentence saying: "Wrote kick ass RPs" or "Won lots of titles" or "Wrote the same character for ten years" or "Is the king of recruitment" or "Saved the fed from deletion in 1887". I'll be brutally blunt: it's not a legacy, it's a joke. We can keep it as it is and quite honestly I will ignore its very existence as it doesn't mean a goddamn thing to me in its current form. Nobody will get dropped (not that we ever intended to do that!) or reclassified or have an asterisk placed next to their name but at the same time nobody will get added, at least not by me. I'd rather win Superstar of the Year than get inducted into the HoF as it stands now. Maybe if you get Deep Figure Value drunk he will slide your name into the list. Anyways, that's what's going on in my head right now. I'm tired of tiptoeing through a minefield. We can't even talk about what makes someone a HoFer without it getting ugly. If a quietly discontented status quo keeps the peace then let's go with it. It won't deter me from doing my best to keep this place active, thriving, and producing fun shows for all.
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Post by Drakz on Mar 11, 2018 7:33:31 GMT -5
Lolakopterz
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 7:47:51 GMT -5
Well...that escalated quickly.
*slowly backs away*
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 11, 2018 9:03:03 GMT -5
JFC. Five minutes into running the place and I hate this fed more than that time bad guy™ took over and everyone quit. Or that time bad guy™ put the world title on a guy whose writing was as steady as a west coast tectonic plane. Or any other time bad guy™ did something controversial and people reacted negatively and he implored everyone to "give it a chance". Who wants a world title?
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Post by King Richius on Mar 11, 2018 9:20:14 GMT -5
JFC. Five minutes into running the place and I hate this fed more than that time bad guy™ took over and everyone quit. Or that time bad guy™ put the world title on a guy whose writing was as steady as a west coast tectonic plane. Or any other time bad guy™ did something controversial and people reacted negatively and he implored everyone to "give it a chance". Who wants a world title? It's not that bad. The HoF is a small part of a much bigger picture that is still very much worth enjoying. I had my "Stop it or I'll turn this car around" moment. I'm over it. I hope everyone else is too. The next show is coming up, lots of new and returning guys to keep the card fresh and interesting. Let's get back to what we do best and HAVE FUN.
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Post by Prophet of Ash on Mar 11, 2018 10:28:50 GMT -5
I'm like 2 days late to this because real life and paid creative outlets prevent roleplaying any more.. But I'll say this..
I was very opposed to Los Hobos being put in the HOF from the start. I was opposed to it when CBT tried to do it in 2007 and I told him I'd quit the fed if he did it, I was opposed to it the second time someone tried to do it shortly after I returned, and I was opposed to it when it actually happened. Thunder is a HOF. I don't think anyone would really argue my HOF merit and if they do, whatever.. But Los Hobos should not be in the HOF. Nothing that Thunder, Percy, myself, or the brief fourth handler in Los Hobos who we no longer mention wrote for Los Hobos was HOF worthy. The roleplays were weird comedy, and often comedy used to mask poor writing. Our first tag title reign came before Percy had an actual match, and literally happened because we turned in a segment where we stole the physical titles and no one bothered to stop us from running our own angle.
There are a lot of writers in the HOF that probably shouldn't be, but if the WFWF is a mirror world of the WWE, let's look at the fact that Koko B. Ware, Pete Rose, Donald Trump, Vince McMahon Sr's limo driver, & Drew Carey are in their HOF. You can't redo the decisions of previous owners or the various panels that have decided these sorts of things.
as an aside; I know there's been a little bit of desire to document WFWF's pioneer performers in the HOF. When I started, there wasn't a HOF. I'm 90% sure the HOF was established during Flaps' reign of terror, which should tell everyone in the know the politics involved in our HOF
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Post by King Richius on Mar 11, 2018 10:39:03 GMT -5
Hey c-scope , since Trevor Wolf is back would you mind putting up a bio when you have the time? I couldn't find your old bio in the Inactive List so it looks like you'll have to start from scratch. Sorry 'bout that. Sizzle Brandon Bison's bio is there. It's up to you if you want to update it for any changes that happened during his sabbatical like, I dunno'... shaving your awesomely manly McMann-ish beard. Thanks guys.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 11, 2018 10:57:50 GMT -5
The HoF issue is dead. Anyone bringing it up from here on out will be condemned the spend the remainder of and any future runs jobbing out to Andrew Carter (who will be 2018's sole Hall of Fame inductee).
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 11, 2018 11:19:24 GMT -5
Hey c-scope , since Trevor Wolf is back would you mind putting up a bio when you have the time? I couldn't find your old bio in the Inactive List so it looks like you'll have to start from scratch. Sorry 'bout that. Sizzle Brandon Bison's bio is there. It's up to you if you want to update it for any changes that happened during his sabbatical like, I dunno'... shaving your awesomely manly McMann-ish beard. Thanks guys. When did Trevor wolf announce his return?
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Post by King Richius on Mar 11, 2018 11:21:51 GMT -5
Hey c-scope , since Trevor Wolf is back would you mind putting up a bio when you have the time? I couldn't find your old bio in the Inactive List so it looks like you'll have to start from scratch. Sorry 'bout that. Sizzle Brandon Bison's bio is there. It's up to you if you want to update it for any changes that happened during his sabbatical like, I dunno'... shaving your awesomely manly McMann-ish beard. Thanks guys. When did Trevor wolf announce his return? When he beat the hell out of Anna Ahriman after her match with da' Broom man at Back to Basics. He better be back after that. I expect a return from Cameron Stone soon since he promised to put Wolf back in the grave.
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 11, 2018 11:25:46 GMT -5
When did Trevor wolf announce his return? When he beat the hell out of Anna Ahriman after her match with da' Broom man at Back to Basics. He better be back after that. I expect a return from Cameron Stone soon since he promised to put Wolf back in the grave. Well I’ll go continue reading the show then!
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Post by c-scope on Mar 11, 2018 14:05:33 GMT -5
Hey c-scope , since Trevor Wolf is back would you mind putting up a bio when you have the time? I couldn't find your old bio in the Inactive List so it looks like you'll have to start from scratch. Sorry 'bout that. Sizzle Brandon Bison's bio is there. It's up to you if you want to update it for any changes that happened during his sabbatical like, I dunno'... shaving your awesomely manly McMann-ish beard. Thanks guys. yeah I’ll get it done with in the next week or so.
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Cameron Stone
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Post by Cameron Stone on Mar 11, 2018 21:22:40 GMT -5
When did Trevor wolf announce his return? When he beat the hell out of Anna Ahriman after her match with da' Broom man at Back to Basics. He better be back after that. I expect a return from Cameron Stone soon since he promised to put Wolf back in the grave. Stone is too damn tired these days
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Devilkiller
Main Eventer
WFWF. Go see about it.
Joined on: Mar 17, 2012 16:49:19 GMT -5
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Post by Devilkiller on Mar 11, 2018 22:06:38 GMT -5
Sorry for this, obviously haven't been here in a while, but where can I find old bios? I may need to update Devilkiller, I'm gonna continue to use him in RP's mostly, but perhaps he may return one day. Who knows? I could see how hard it is to write this RP and the next shows, but if it's not too bad I could probably bring back Devilkiller.
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Post by King Richius on Mar 11, 2018 23:45:35 GMT -5
Sorry for this, obviously haven't been here in a while, but where can I find old bios? I may need to update Devilkiller, I'm gonna continue to use him in RP's mostly, but perhaps he may return one day. Who knows? I could see how hard it is to write this RP and the next shows, but if it's not too bad I could probably bring back Devilkiller. I found Devilkiller's archived bio page here: Devilkiller
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Mar 12, 2018 7:34:21 GMT -5
The long and storied history of the WFWF Hardcore Championship has been added to the championship history page.
#ErasingHistorySullyingLegacies
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