wheeljack83
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Post by wheeljack83 on Mar 18, 2018 19:55:43 GMT -5
So not counting the world heavyweight title design, the WCW world title belt that comes with Ron Simmons will be the first time we get a figure in the WWE Mattel figure line that comes with a genuine WCW title belt accessory.
I was told in the past by Mattel employees that they couldn't make title belt accessories for WCW title belts since they don't have the rights to those designs. I'm not sure who owns the rights to those belt designs at this time, but it's possibly Dave Millican?
So here is what I want to know. Since we are getting a WCW title belt accessory, what has changed. Did Mattel work out a temporary deal with the rights holder(s) to use that belt design for the Ron Simmons figure? Is it possible we could see more of the traditional WCW title belts as figure accessories later on?
I'd very much like it if we could now get title belt accessories for WCW based on the WCW US and TV title designs. Also, the NWA designs as well. We already have the big gold belt. But I want the WCW-era NWA US and TV title belts. Tag title belts to go with the Steiner Bros. and the Road Warriors or Doom and others. I've waited a long time to get WCW title accessories. I hope it doesn't stop with Ron Simmons.
We need more title belt accessories. They are one of the best things about the elite line from Mattel. We can never have enough title belt accessories. The more and varied title belt accessories, the better.
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Post by jayrod2009 on Mar 18, 2018 20:07:27 GMT -5
What ever the deal is, I’m happy for it. I just want some ECW love. They had great title designs.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 18, 2018 20:13:22 GMT -5
In a Q&A Bill said he’s requested the belts on his list of stuff he wants to do forever and WWE finally oked the 93 belt. Didn’t say anything about other belts
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Post by stc13 on Mar 18, 2018 20:22:25 GMT -5
Reggie Parks had the original rights to most of the WCW belts. I'm not sure if those transferred over to Millican when he took over, but either way I'd assume some sort of deal was worked out for licensing rights.
Millican made the original NXT belts, so there has been some working relationship for a few years (WWE owns the rights on those). Parks did the WCW US, Cruiserweight and tag titles I believe. Not sure on the TV Title. I don't think they could license NWA belts without the NWA's consent.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Mar 18, 2018 20:31:32 GMT -5
What ever the deal is, I’m happy for it. I just want some ECW love. They had great title designs. They've done the ECW world title at least. How did WCW and later WWE not even own the designs of their title belts? Was it just something they didn't think they needed? It just seems weird they wouldn't own the rights for their own belt designs. So how difficult is it to work out a deal like this to use the 1990s WCW world title belt design? It's actually 1991 when that belt made its debut. Plus, Flair took the big gold belt with him to WWF because Jim Herd is a moron. I think that belt went away in 1994 after Sting and Flair unified the WCW world and International titles. |
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Post by jayrod2009 on Mar 18, 2018 21:11:37 GMT -5
What ever the deal is, I’m happy for it. I just want some ECW love. They had great title designs. They've done the ECW world title at least. How did WCW and later WWE not even own the designs of their title belts? Was it just something they didn't think they needed? It just seems weird they wouldn't own the rights for their own belt designs. So how difficult is it to work out a deal like this to use the 1990s WCW world title belt design? It's actually 1991 when that belt made its debut. Plus, Flair took the big gold belt with him to WWF because Jim Herd is a moron. I think that belt went away in 1994 after Sting and Flair unified the WCW world and International titles. Technically the ECW title was the 2008 version with Purple letters. The real version has less black outlining. I’d like the Shane Douglas version of the world title, TV Title, and tag title. The second World title was a mod of the Wingd Eagle, so it should be fairly sinple. The first set of tag titles were mods of the 90’s IC title. I’m sure there is a way around all this. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Mar 18, 2018 21:20:13 GMT -5
Pretty sure that WWE has the rights for all the Parks, Millican, and Mann belts. That said, it's all up to then to allow Mattel to use the belt designs.
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Post by jdthegame82 on Mar 18, 2018 22:28:40 GMT -5
Pretty sure that WWE has the rights for all the Parks, Millican, and Mann belts. That said, it's all up to then to allow Mattel to use the belt designs. wwe doesn’t own the rights to the winged eagle, classic ic, old wcw belts, classic tags. That’s why wwe went and changed belt makers in the beginning of the attitude era, cause Reggie parks didn’t want wwe to own the rights to those designs, which is why Millican and parks could still make those old school designs for collectors, just can’t use the wwf logo. All the new designs after the attitude era on, wwe owns the designs and rights to. |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Mar 18, 2018 22:39:44 GMT -5
Pretty sure that WWE has the rights for all the Parks, Millican, and Mann belts. That said, it's all up to then to allow Mattel to use the belt designs. wwe doesn’t own the rights to the winged eagle, classic ic, old wcw belts, classic tags. That’s why wwe went and changed belt makers in the beginning of the attitude era, cause Reggie parks didn’t want wwe to own the rights to those designs, which is why Millican and parks could still make those old school designs for collectors, just can’t use the wwf logo. All the new designs after the attitude era on, wwe owns the designs and rights to. I misspoke. According to someone close to the situation, they have the rights to use all those titles. Not saying that Parks, Millican, and Mann don't still hold the right to the designs, just that the WWE is allowed to use them under the current arrangement. You'll notice that the WCW World, US, old Tag, new Tag, Cruiserweight, and Hardcore titles are all in WWE 2K18... and that the WCW Cruiserweight Title was pictured with HOC Eddie Guerrero, despite him being packed incorrectly with the WWE Cruiserweight Title. Why they choose not to allow Mattel to use the WCW belts to be pack in items is a mystery. |
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Post by wheeljack83 on Mar 18, 2018 22:42:46 GMT -5
Pretty sure that WWE has the rights for all the Parks, Millican, and Mann belts. That said, it's all up to then to allow Mattel to use the belt designs. At Comic-Con I point blank asked Bill Miekina at Mattel about the WCW belts. And he said they don't have the rights to the WCW title belt designs. So, has that status changed as of now? |
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Post by Blackbird 13 on Mar 18, 2018 22:46:49 GMT -5
Pretty sure that WWE has the rights for all the Parks, Millican, and Mann belts. That said, it's all up to then to allow Mattel to use the belt designs. At Comic-Con I point blank asked Bill Miekina at Mattel about the WCW belts. And he said they don't have the rights to the WCW title belt designs. So, has that status changed as of now? The WWE does have the rights to use those titles, and whatever agreement they have would extend to action figures. That much I know. What I DONT know is if the WWE has to pay a royalty on each use that they deem too expensive for figures and replicas, but reasonable for video games. Likewise, I'm also not sure if a previous agreement is in place with a company like Toybiz where the belts are tied up in a legal issue, or if the WWE is outright refusing to allow Mattel to use the belts for some other reason. |
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Post by stc13 on Mar 18, 2018 22:51:12 GMT -5
The rationale I've heard is that in the 80s/early 90s Parks wanted to own the rights because the sale of replica belts is where the money is. And at that time he was the top maker by a big margin and WWE was nowhere near the large-scale marketing machine we see today.
It didn't make sense NOT to have some licensing in place. Let's hope more belts are in the production process and on the way. I'd magine even if they have the rights sculpting and finding a spot in the line could take a while. Heck, look how long it took them to release all the post brand split titles, which were just some color swaps.
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Post by wheeljack83 on Mar 18, 2018 23:59:30 GMT -5
OK, so I guess it was more a matter of promotions not thinking ahead in the licensing of belt designs for future products like title replicas and merchandise and what have you?
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Mar 19, 2018 1:02:12 GMT -5
The rationale I've heard is that in the 80s/early 90s Parks wanted to own the rights because the sale of replica belts is where the money is. And at that time he was the top maker by a big margin and WWE was nowhere near the large-scale marketing machine we see today. It didn't make sense NOT to have some licensing in place. Let's hope more belts are in the production process and on the way. I'd magine even if they have the rights sculpting and finding a spot in the line could take a while. Heck, look how long it took them to release all the post brand split titles, which were just some color swaps. Pretty much. Reggie was pretty much the only legit belt make and Vince didn’t have a monopoly like today or even the industry-wide stroke he did in the late 90s |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Mar 19, 2018 4:57:31 GMT -5
The WCW US title has been my main belt want for years now.
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Post by wwetna2008 on Mar 19, 2018 8:25:25 GMT -5
I honestly would luv to see a defining moments one day of Lance Storm and all the Canadian versions.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2018 8:48:20 GMT -5
any wcw belt would be great.
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Post by jerm on Mar 19, 2018 11:46:20 GMT -5
Technically the ECW title was the 2008 version with Purple letters. The real version has less black outlining. I’d like the Shane Douglas version of the world title, TV Title, and tag title. The second World title was a mod of the Wingd Eagle, so it should be fairly sinple. The first set of tag titles were mods of the 90’s IC title. I’m sure there is a way around all this. The TV belt was actually the mod of the Winged Eagle.  But I'm with you on wanting the second generation ECW World Championship. One of my favorite designs ever.  |
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Post by enigmafigs on Mar 19, 2018 11:56:45 GMT -5
I really hope we get WCW US & WCW Tag titles in the future.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 19, 2018 12:21:49 GMT -5
The wcw belt was my favorite thing I saw at that particular show, but still I want the other wcw belts even more. Especially the tv title!
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