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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 8:35:08 GMT -5
If the crowd chants ruin a whole show for you, I feel like you need to re-evaluate you being a wrestling fan. Give them something that will suck them in and you won’t hear these random chants. The crowd was fully invested in AJ/Rusev and Bryan/Bludgeon Bros. We didn’t hear any random chants during those matches. Give them a main event in 2018 that includes Dolph Ziggler at the end of a 4 hour show, and add to it an Iron Man match where it was telegraphed from the beginning that there’d be heavy interference in the outcome, and of course the fans will tune out. I like what Dolph has been doing the last month, but most fans still know him as a guy who’s been booked as a looser for years. They simply were not sucked into the match as noting mattered until the end. The show should never be about the crowd. Ever. People seem to think they are needed. I remember being very entertained by an empty arena match between the rock and mick Foley. Also, this reads like every match is expected to be 5 star and when it isn't it's ok to be a dick. They were douches. Wwe should stay away from televised events in craptsburgh for a while.
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Post by Goldust on Jul 16, 2018 8:45:38 GMT -5
If the crowd chants ruin a whole show for you, I feel like you need to re-evaluate you being a wrestling fan. Give them something that will suck them in and you won’t hear these random chants. The crowd was fully invested in AJ/Rusev and Bryan/Bludgeon Bros. We didn’t hear any random chants during those matches. Give them a main event in 2018 that includes Dolph Ziggler at the end of a 4 hour show, and add to it an Iron Man match where it was telegraphed from the beginning that there’d be heavy interference in the outcome, and of course the fans will tune out. I like what Dolph has been doing the last month, but most fans still know him as a guy who’s been booked as a looser for years. They simply were not sucked into the match as noting mattered until the end. The show should never be about the crowd. Ever. People seem to think they are needed. I remember being very entertained by an empty arena match between the rock and mick Foley. Also, this reads like every match is expected to be 5 star and when it isn't it's ok to be a dick. They were douches. Wwe should stay away from televised events in craptsburgh for a while. It’s WWE’s fault though. When you make a WWE24 special about the Raw after Mania where the entire show is about the crowd getting themselves over, you invite crap like happened last night.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 8:50:02 GMT -5
The show should never be about the crowd. Ever. People seem to think they are needed. I remember being very entertained by an empty arena match between the rock and mick Foley. Also, this reads like every match is expected to be 5 star and when it isn't it's ok to be a dick. They were douches. Wwe should stay away from televised events in craptsburgh for a while. It’s WWE’s fault though. When you make a WWE24 special about the Raw after Mania where the entire show is about the crowd getting themselves over, you invite crap like happened last night. Not even that. The whole show sucked ass and after the cage stunt, they were drained. It's a mix of the crowd sitting through three plus hours of nonsense, terrible matches, and then a predictable IronMan match that started off slow and didn't give the crowd reason to care. 30 Minute Iron Man, those two should have been going 100% from the start. Their match on Raw a few weeks back, and even Seth's match with Drew was way better than that.
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Post by Goldust on Jul 16, 2018 8:55:03 GMT -5
It’s WWE’s fault though. When you make a WWE24 special about the Raw after Mania where the entire show is about the crowd getting themselves over, you invite crap like happened last night. Not even that. The whole show sucked ass and after the cage stunt, they were drained. It's a mix of the crowd sitting through three plus hours of nonsense, terrible matches, and then a predictable IronMan match that started off slow and didn't give the crowd reason to care. 30 Minute Iron Man, those two should have been going 100% from the start. Their match on Raw a few weeks back, and even Seth's match with Drew was way better than that. Totally agree. Their match on Raw was a million times better. Honestly, had it opened the show and they had the Drew beat down happen right at the beginning of the match and had Seth fighting from behind, it would have been more engaging.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 9:00:26 GMT -5
Not even that. The whole show sucked ass and after the cage stunt, they were drained. It's a mix of the crowd sitting through three plus hours of nonsense, terrible matches, and then a predictable IronMan match that started off slow and didn't give the crowd reason to care. 30 Minute Iron Man, those two should have been going 100% from the start. Their match on Raw a few weeks back, and even Seth's match with Drew was way better than that. Totally agree. Their match on Raw was a million times better. Honestly, had it opened the show and they had the Drew beat down happen right at the beginning of the match and had Seth fighting from behind, it would have been more engaging. Bingo! The way they organized this card was stupid. People were legit pumped to see Team Hell No and they get nothing. They would have been better off Bryan fighting 2 on 1 with Kane not coming out at all. The crowd would have went insane if Bryan was close to winning alone. Idk, WWE is just a chore anymore. There's zero continuity in the storylines, the matches are always underwhelming, and the finishes often time do not make any sense.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jul 16, 2018 9:05:10 GMT -5
If the crowd chants ruin a whole show for you, I feel like you need to re-evaluate you being a wrestling fan. I'm so glad we have you here to judge who deserves to be a wrestling fan. We wouldn't be able to call ourselves wrestling fans otherwise, thanks! The fact that we enjoy professional wrestling isn't a good enough reason, we have to enjoy being distracted from good action by obnoxious, immature, and incredibly disrespectful audience who do their best to ruin a match put together by two superstars who sacrifice their physical health to entertain said fans. Good to know for the future! But seriously, I've always had the opinion that every single superstar deserves my respect just for what they do alone. Even if I don't enjoy their character or creative decisions, or find them interesting enough to watch all of their matches, I still respect every single wrestler in the company, because they sacrifice their physical health, spend most of the year away from their family, and are capable of athleticism that I could only dream of. I will never understand why the vast majority of fans do not feel the same way, and are happy to disrespect every single superstar in the company, just because they're not getting exactly what they want like a spoiled child. Fans can boo and cheer all they want (unless it's inappropriate, like booing an anti-bullying speech), but nonsensical chants and noises when wrestlers are doing their best to entertain the same fans is incredibly disrespectful to the wrestlers in the ring, risking their physical well being just to entertain said fans. As far as I'm concerned "I paid for my ticket!!!" is nowhere near a good enough reason to behave in such a disrespectful manner. In all honesty, I've almost completely lost interest in WWE main roster programming, with how extremely poor it's been since WrestleMania. I didn't bother watching clips from last week's RAW and SmackDown Live until today, and I only skipped through Extreme Rules just to see the winners of each match. There are so many problems, just with what they had going into Extreme Rules alone, that I can see solutions for, yet they insist on delivering a poor product instead: 1) Why go with Dolph Ziggler as Intercontinental Champion? Ziggler hasn't been interesting in years. That Ironman match should have been Drew McIntyre VS Seth Rollins instead. I would have watched that match if it was. Drew could be so great as a badass singles star, yet he's saddled with Ziggler, which just drags him down in my opinion. 2) Finn Balor's entrance should never have been cut down. His long epic entrance was a significant part of his persona in my view. Watering it down takes away from him, and that's even before the crapty booking that's taken him from main event star to floating around the midcard. 3) Sanity finally gets a win, but they shouldn't have started on a losing streak to begin with. It's just boggling how they've been treated, when they should have started off as a big deal, tearing SmackDown Live apart like they did NXT. 4) Alexa Bliss. That's all. I think I've explained the issue too many times. No more Bliss as champion. 5) Brock Lesnar. That's all. Get the title off Brock. Don't give it to a part-timer for a lengthy period of time ever again. 6) Baron Corbin should be in wrestling gear as a badass, not a pathetic corporate goon wrestling in smart clothes. It was dull when Kane did it, it's even more so a second time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 9:05:38 GMT -5
This was one of the few new PPV's where I hadn't watched the weekly shows. It was decent but very predictable. I didn't even know there was a match after AJ, lol. I turned it off. I liked Carmella's match for what it was (very surprisingly). Enjoyed Strowman and Owens. The Balor match vs. Corbin -- not so much.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 9:21:04 GMT -5
There were just too many "WTF, that's all" moments in that show for the crowd to care by the time the last two matches came around.
WWE is in need of a serious shakeup, but until Vince moves on to XFL or just dies, the repetitive cookie-cutter shows will continue.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 9:46:57 GMT -5
It’s WWE’s fault though. When you make a WWE24 special about the Raw after Mania where the entire show is about the crowd getting themselves over, you invite crap like happened last night. Not even that. The whole show sucked ass and after the cage stunt, they were drained. It's a mix of the crowd sitting through three plus hours of nonsense, terrible matches, and then a predictable IronMan match that started off slow and didn't give the crowd reason to care. 30 Minute Iron Man, those two should have been going 100% from the start. Their match on Raw a few weeks back, and even Seth's match with Drew was way better than that. That's what wwe is. Accept it or move on. They haven't changed for this long, they arent gonna now. Especially not for a crowd full of dumbasses. Just for that crowd, I hope Roman never loses again. I hope he holds all the belts at the same time and never drops them, even in death. That's what those pieces of crap last night deserve. As for drained...I'm sorry, I will try to sound respectful when i say this, but that's lame. Oh man, a cool thing happened, I can't sit here and be a reasonable person trying to enjoy the show these guys are putting on for me. I'm drained. I have no choice but to count down from 10 and make a buzzer sound for the rest of the night like some sort of drunk frat boy. Drained? Exhausted? Then go the home and take a nap.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 9:56:48 GMT -5
Not even that. The whole show sucked ass and after the cage stunt, they were drained. It's a mix of the crowd sitting through three plus hours of nonsense, terrible matches, and then a predictable IronMan match that started off slow and didn't give the crowd reason to care. 30 Minute Iron Man, those two should have been going 100% from the start. Their match on Raw a few weeks back, and even Seth's match with Drew was way better than that. That's what wwe is. Accept it or move on. They haven't changed for this long, they arent gonna now. Especially not for a crowd full of dumbasses. Just for that crowd, I hope Roman never loses again. I hope he holds all the belts at the same time and never drops them, even in death. That's what those pieces of crap last night deserve. As for drained...I'm sorry, I will try to sound respectful when i say this, but that's lame. Oh man, a cool thing happened, I can't sit here and be a reasonable person trying to enjoy the show these guys are putting on for me. I'm drained. I have no choice but to count down from 10 and make a buzzer sound for the rest of the night like some sort of drunk frat boy. Drained? Exhausted? Then go the home and take a nap. Jeez man, I was there and hated the countdown, but christ, go get a warm bottle of milk and cry yourself to sleep man. If it bothered you that much, maybe you shouldn't watch anymore. Crowds have been growing more disinterested the last few years due to underwhelming shows everytime. And no, I don't accept it and move on. 14,000 people paid decent money (at least my seats were $150) to get a show called Extreme Rules, but in the end it was a promo-less episode of RAW with one or two "hardcore-esque" moments. It sucked, it was long, bloated and had no reason for the crowd to get excited. I'm not saying that chant was deserved, but WWE didn't give the crowd anything to be invested in either. It's a catch 22 with babies like you, if the crowd wouldn't have done the annoying countdown, you would have been here bitching that they were sitting on their hands the whole time, am I right? I'll answer, I am right. The match sucked and while they didn't deserve the dumbass countdown chants, they certainly didn't do anything to get a raucous standing-o crowd. If you want to watch crap matches with a quiet crowd, just replay Extreme Rules and mute your television.
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Post by jacktunney on Jul 16, 2018 10:03:08 GMT -5
Man, wrestling fans are the biggest bunch of crybabies
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Post by Nick the Quick on Jul 16, 2018 10:08:12 GMT -5
To the several people here saying "Never hold any TV in Pittsburgh again," I'm offended. If you want to say that, then you need to be fair and say "WWE shouldn't hold any more shows in Canada, UK, Chicago, Brooklyn, or any other places considered smark cities."
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Post by MondayRaw on Jul 16, 2018 10:24:11 GMT -5
To the several people here saying "Never hold any TV in Pittsburgh again," I'm offended. If you want to say that, then you need to be fair and say "WWE shouldn't hold any more shows in Canada, UK, Chicago, Brooklyn, or any other places considered smark cities." Bingo! Pittsburgh is a great market for WWE.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 10:31:33 GMT -5
To the several people here saying "Never hold any TV in Pittsburgh again," I'm offended. If you want to say that, then you need to be fair and say "WWE shouldn't hold any more shows in Canada, UK, Chicago, Brooklyn, or any other places considered smark cities." Bingo! Pittsburgh is a great market for WWE. As evidenced by a legit sell-out for THAT show.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 10:33:09 GMT -5
That's what wwe is. Accept it or move on. They haven't changed for this long, they arent gonna now. Especially not for a crowd full of dumbasses. Just for that crowd, I hope Roman never loses again. I hope he holds all the belts at the same time and never drops them, even in death. That's what those pieces of crap last night deserve. As for drained...I'm sorry, I will try to sound respectful when i say this, but that's lame. Oh man, a cool thing happened, I can't sit here and be a reasonable person trying to enjoy the show these guys are putting on for me. I'm drained. I have no choice but to count down from 10 and make a buzzer sound for the rest of the night like some sort of drunk frat boy. Drained? Exhausted? Then go the home and take a nap. Jeez man, I was there and hated the countdown, but christ, go get a warm bottle of milk and cry yourself to sleep man. If it bothered you that much, maybe you shouldn't watch anymore. Crowds have been growing more disinterested the last few years due to underwhelming shows everytime. And no, I don't accept it and move on. 14,000 people paid decent money (at least my seats were $150) to get a show called Extreme Rules, but in the end it was a promo-less episode of RAW with one or two "hardcore-esque" moments. It sucked, it was long, bloated and had no reason for the crowd to get excited. I'm not saying that chant was deserved, but WWE didn't give the crowd anything to be invested in either. It's a catch 22 with babies like you, if the crowd wouldn't have done the annoying countdown, you would have been here bitching that they were sitting on their hands the whole time, am I right? I'll answer, I am right. The match sucked and while they didn't deserve the dumbass countdown chants, they certainly didn't do anything to get a raucous standing-o crowd. If you want to watch crap matches with a quiet crowd, just replay Extreme Rules and mute your television. If they sat silent I wouldn't care. I don't watch for the crowd. So you were wrong on that one hot shot. Wanna try again? There is a big difference between deserving a standing ovation and having the crowd begging for more and being stupid little pricks. 14,000 people paid for seats to a show WHERE THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD GET BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT THE SAME THING FOR 15 YEARS and yet somehow they are bored and upset because they didn't get what they wanted. That doesn't sound like a Seth rollins problem. Or a dolph ziggler problem. Or a wwe problem. One time real loud for those in the back....IF YOU BUY TICKETS TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW WON'T MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU WON'T ENJOY, TO SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHAT YOU WILL GET ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT....YOU ARE A DUMBASS. Every wwe show is the same show. Been like that for years. By buying tickets, you are in fact accepting this, because they aren't gonna change a damn thing when they are still getting your money. I can speak from life experience that nothing has ever changed because anyone went around making buzzer sounds. Bonus life advice. Get a better job and 150 bucks won't seem like so much money that you need to defend childish behaviour because you aren't happy.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 10:42:52 GMT -5
Jeez man, I was there and hated the countdown, but christ, go get a warm bottle of milk and cry yourself to sleep man. If it bothered you that much, maybe you shouldn't watch anymore. Crowds have been growing more disinterested the last few years due to underwhelming shows everytime. And no, I don't accept it and move on. 14,000 people paid decent money (at least my seats were $150) to get a show called Extreme Rules, but in the end it was a promo-less episode of RAW with one or two "hardcore-esque" moments. It sucked, it was long, bloated and had no reason for the crowd to get excited. I'm not saying that chant was deserved, but WWE didn't give the crowd anything to be invested in either. It's a catch 22 with babies like you, if the crowd wouldn't have done the annoying countdown, you would have been here bitching that they were sitting on their hands the whole time, am I right? I'll answer, I am right. The match sucked and while they didn't deserve the dumbass countdown chants, they certainly didn't do anything to get a raucous standing-o crowd. If you want to watch crap matches with a quiet crowd, just replay Extreme Rules and mute your television. If they sat silent I wouldn't care. I don't watch for the crowd. So you were wrong on that one hot shot. Wanna try again? There is a big difference between deserving a standing ovation and having the crowd begging for more and being stupid little pricks. 14,000 people paid for seats to a show WHERE THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD GET BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT THE SAME THING FOR 15 YEARS and yet somehow they are bored and upset because they didn't get what they wanted. That doesn't sound like a Seth rollins problem. Or a dolph ziggler problem. Or a wwe problem. One time real loud for those in the back....IF YOU BUY TICKETS TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW WON'T MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU WON'T ENJOY, TO SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHAT YOU WILL GET ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT....YOU ARE A DUMBASS. Every wwe show is the same show. Been like that for years. By buying tickets, you are in fact accepting this, because they aren't gonna change a damn thing when they are still getting your money. I can speak from life experience that nothing has ever changed because anyone went around making buzzer sounds. Bonus life advice. Get a better job and 150 bucks won't seem like so much money that you need to defend childish behaviour because you aren't happy. You're hilarious, why are you so mad bud? Bonus life advice? Yeah spending $150 plus parking, gas, drinking and eating adds up to a $300 night. Just a heads up, I make great money, but when you have a mortgage, car payments, a dog and a kid on the way, you have to budget and spend accordingly. Not everyone can live in mommy and daddy's basement forever and hoard their paychecks (or allowances). So yeah a-hole, to spend $150 on a night out to be entertained is a lot of money when there's more important things. You're an idiot troll and you add nothing of significance to this forum. Adios, and enjoy being a dick!
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Post by J12 on Jul 16, 2018 11:01:05 GMT -5
At the end of the day, the problem with the reaction to the Rollins/Ziggler match is that it's just reaffirming for Vince. He can very easily look at that through the lens of "the crowd doesn't care about Seth Rollins", and honestly, that's probably what he'll do. WWE did the right thing last night by putting Rollins and Ziggler on last, and the crowd crap all over it.
Yes, the show was long. Yes, it felt like a bloated episode of Raw or Smackdown. Yes, the product, as a whole, is in a massive rut, but reacting that way to what was otherwise a bright spot in a pretty dreadful night sends the wrong message. Not to mention, it was a good match. If you're not there to enjoy good wrestling, then why are you there?
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Post by Chip on Jul 16, 2018 11:13:12 GMT -5
another case of too much. too many matches and not enough substance. then you have a half-iron man match go on last, that had almost no build up or purpose and isn't even a ing "extreme rules" match to begin with! not to mention the booking of the match is just mind boggling....week after week on RAW you have guys kicking out of a million finishers and power moves, left and right all over the place everybody kicks out of ing everything. ALL THE TIME now all of a sudden Rollins is getting easy pins with the buckle bomb and everyones finisher is a 1-time knockout now....just because they want to have this thing be more than 1-0 or 2-1 THEN to make matters worse, you end it in a stupid draw which holy crap ENOUGH "protecting people" already.....and run the stupid angle where "this match MUST continue!" even though the crowd couldnt give 2 s....and then you just have Rollins lose in 12 seconds after a distraction anyway. seriously one of the single worst booked matches i've ever seen in wrestling history. you accomplished nothing. you ed over the hottest act in the company BY FAR and you put once again another dud at the end of a mediocre ppv that was clustered way too much with stupid finishes and too many goddamn matches but its all good because XFL and Smackdown to Fox deal and ratings and more money coming in than ever right?
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 16, 2018 11:13:33 GMT -5
Last night was an awful show.
Rusev/AJ, The Owens spot and Nakamura murdering Jeff were legitimately the only good things.
Rollins/Ziggler was killed when they went to the McIntyre card so early into the match. Bad call.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 11:14:07 GMT -5
If they sat silent I wouldn't care. I don't watch for the crowd. So you were wrong on that one hot shot. Wanna try again? There is a big difference between deserving a standing ovation and having the crowd begging for more and being stupid little pricks. 14,000 people paid for seats to a show WHERE THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD GET BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT THE SAME THING FOR 15 YEARS and yet somehow they are bored and upset because they didn't get what they wanted. That doesn't sound like a Seth rollins problem. Or a dolph ziggler problem. Or a wwe problem. One time real loud for those in the back....IF YOU BUY TICKETS TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW WON'T MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU WON'T ENJOY, TO SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHAT YOU WILL GET ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT....YOU ARE A DUMBASS. Every wwe show is the same show. Been like that for years. By buying tickets, you are in fact accepting this, because they aren't gonna change a damn thing when they are still getting your money. I can speak from life experience that nothing has ever changed because anyone went around making buzzer sounds. Bonus life advice. Get a better job and 150 bucks won't seem like so much money that you need to defend childish behaviour because you aren't happy. You're hilarious, why are you so mad bud? Bonus life advice? Yeah spending $150 plus parking, gas, drinking and eating adds up to a $300 night. Just a heads up, I make great money, but when you have a mortgage, car payments, a dog and a kid on the way, you have to budget and spend accordingly. Not everyone can live in mommy and daddy's basement forever and hoard their paychecks (or allowances). So yeah a-hole, to spend $150 on a night out to be entertained is a lot of money when there's more important things. You're an idiot troll and you add nothing of significance to this forum. Adios, and enjoy being a dick! House. Car. 2 kids. 4 pets. Sounds like you were wrong again dumbass. But at least you talk a good game. I mean you don't, but damn I feel bad for you so I'll pretend.
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