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Post by Danger10 on Jul 16, 2018 11:14:18 GMT -5
Fans when Reigns is in the Main Event: He doesn't deserve it. Guys like Rollins or Ziggler should be Main Eventing
Fans when Ziggler and Rollins are in the Main Event: 5..4..3..2..1
Seriously fans crap all over Roman being in the top spot then when he's not they hijack the match. This just tells Vince Ziggler and Rollins shouldn't be in the Main Event.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 11:15:07 GMT -5
Last night was an awful show. Rusev/AJ, The Owens spot and Nakamura murdering Jeff were legitimately the only good things. Rollins/Ziggler was killed when they went to the McIntyre card so early into the match. Bad call. It was bad. Yes. But aren't most of them bad these days? I just don't like how the crowd handled it.
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Post by Chip on Jul 16, 2018 11:15:52 GMT -5
At the end of the day, the problem with the reaction to the Rollins/Ziggler match is that it's just reaffirming for Vince. He can very easily look at that through the lens of "the crowd doesn't care about Seth Rollins", and honestly, that's probably what he'll do. WWE did the right thing last night by putting Rollins and Ziggler on last, and the crowd crap all over it. and yet he will continue to make excuses for Roman by telling the fans that he's "the most polarizing figure in company history!" flat out ignoring the visceral hate 80% of their audience gives the guy week in and week out in every city in the country. but yeah Rollins, Balor, etc arent "over"
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 11:17:12 GMT -5
If they sat silent I wouldn't care. I don't watch for the crowd. So you were wrong on that one hot shot. Wanna try again? There is a big difference between deserving a standing ovation and having the crowd begging for more and being stupid little pricks. 14,000 people paid for seats to a show WHERE THEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT THEY WOULD GET BECAUSE THEY HAVE GOT THE SAME THING FOR 15 YEARS and yet somehow they are bored and upset because they didn't get what they wanted. That doesn't sound like a Seth rollins problem. Or a dolph ziggler problem. Or a wwe problem. One time real loud for those in the back....IF YOU BUY TICKETS TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW WON'T MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS, TO SOMETHING YOU KNOW YOU WON'T ENJOY, TO SOMETHING WHERE YOU KNOW FOR A FACT THAT WHAT YOU WILL GET ISN'T WHAT YOU WANT....YOU ARE A DUMBASS. Every wwe show is the same show. Been like that for years. By buying tickets, you are in fact accepting this, because they aren't gonna change a damn thing when they are still getting your money. I can speak from life experience that nothing has ever changed because anyone went around making buzzer sounds. Bonus life advice. Get a better job and 150 bucks won't seem like so much money that you need to defend childish behaviour because you aren't happy. You're hilarious, why are you so mad bud? Bonus life advice? Yeah spending $150 plus parking, gas, drinking and eating adds up to a $300 night. Just a heads up, I make great money, but when you have a mortgage, car payments, a dog and a kid on the way, you have to budget and spend accordingly. Not everyone can live in mommy and daddy's basement forever and hoard their paychecks (or allowances). So yeah a-hole, to spend $150 on a night out to be entertained is a lot of money when there's more important things. You're an idiot troll and you add nothing of significance to this forum. Adios, and enjoy being a dick! Also..."to be entertained"...yet you knew going in that you wouldn't be. Because the shows have been lackluster for years. Logic.
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Post by Chip on Jul 16, 2018 11:17:23 GMT -5
Fans when Reigns is in the Main Event: He doesn't deserve it. Guys like Rollins or Ziggler should be Main Eventing Fans when Ziggler and Rollins are in the Main Event: 5..4..3..2..1 Seriously fans crap all over Roman being in the top spot then when he's not they hijack the match. This just tells Vince Ziggler and Rollins shouldn't be in the Main Event. yeah but to be fair, fans crap all over Roman in his matches too. its not a single superstar problem it is 100% a "booking" & writing problem
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Post by J12 on Jul 16, 2018 11:18:33 GMT -5
At the end of the day, the problem with the reaction to the Rollins/Ziggler match is that it's just reaffirming for Vince. He can very easily look at that through the lens of "the crowd doesn't care about Seth Rollins", and honestly, that's probably what he'll do. WWE did the right thing last night by putting Rollins and Ziggler on last, and the crowd crap all over it. and yet he will continue to make excuses for Roman by telling the fans that he's "the most polarizing figure in company history!" flat out ignoring the visceral hate 80% of their audience gives the guy week in and week out in every city in the country. but yeah Rollins, Balor, etc arent "over" It's the self-fulfilling prophecy conundrum. We've been seeing it for years. Totally different standards depending on Vince's level of commitment.
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Post by Joey Cush on Jul 16, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -5
Why wasnt AJ/Rusev the main event? Thought last night was a good time to finally give AJ the main event. Reigns losing clean to Lashley, no WWE title match and he just got announced for the cover for WWE video game. Odd.
And hopefully this countdown BS doesnt become a thing for future Iron Man Matches. Crowds follow the waves of whatever is popular or the "cool" thing to do. Unfortunately I can see fans doing it again and Vince just never doing Iron Man Matches again.
Oh and the show sucked.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 16, 2018 11:38:57 GMT -5
If the crowd chants ruin a whole show for you, I feel like you need to re-evaluate you being a wrestling fan. I'm so glad we have you here to judge who deserves to be a wrestling fan. We wouldn't be able to call ourselves wrestling fans otherwise, thanks! The fact that we enjoy professional wrestling isn't a good enough reason, we have to enjoy being distracted from good action by obnoxious, immature, and incredibly disrespectful audience who do their best to ruin a match put together by two superstars who sacrifice their physical health to entertain said fans. Good to know for the future! But seriously, I've always had the opinion that every single superstar deserves my respect just for what they do alone. Even if I don't enjoy their character or creative decisions, or find them interesting enough to watch all of their matches, I still respect every single wrestler in the company, because they sacrifice their physical health, spend most of the year away from their family, and are capable of athleticism that I could only dream of. I will never understand why the vast majority of fans do not feel the same way, and are happy to disrespect every single superstar in the company, just because they're not getting exactly what they want like a spoiled child. Fans can boo and cheer all they want (unless it's inappropriate, like booing an anti-bullying speech), but nonsensical chants and noises when wrestlers are doing their best to entertain the same fans is incredibly disrespectful to the wrestlers in the ring, risking their physical well being just to entertain said fans. As far as I'm concerned "I paid for my ticket!!!" is nowhere near a good enough reason to behave in such a disrespectful manner. In all honesty, I've almost completely lost interest in WWE main roster programming, with how extremely poor it's been since WrestleMania. I didn't bother watching clips from last week's RAW and SmackDown Live until today, and I only skipped through Extreme Rules just to see the winners of each match. There are so many problems, just with what they had going into Extreme Rules alone, that I can see solutions for, yet they insist on delivering a poor product instead: 1) Why go with Dolph Ziggler as Intercontinental Champion? Ziggler hasn't been interesting in years. That Ironman match should have been Drew McIntyre VS Seth Rollins instead. I would have watched that match if it was. Drew could be so great as a badass singles star, yet he's saddled with Ziggler, which just drags him down in my opinion. 2) Finn Balor's entrance should never have been cut down. His long epic entrance was a significant part of his persona in my view. Watering it down takes away from him, and that's even before the crapty booking that's taken him from main event star to floating around the midcard. 3) Sanity finally gets a win, but they shouldn't have started on a losing streak to begin with. It's just boggling how they've been treated, when they should have started off as a big deal, tearing SmackDown Live apart like they did NXT. 4) Alexa Bliss. That's all. I think I've explained the issue too many times. No more Bliss as champion. 5) Brock Lesnar. That's all. Get the title off Brock. Don't give it to a part-timer for a lengthy period of time ever again. 6) Baron Corbin should be in wrestling gear as a badass, not a pathetic corporate goon wrestling in smart clothes. It was dull when Kane did it, it's even more so a second time. Who said I’m judging? I simply said you YOURSELF should re-evaluate your fandom if simply the crowd ruins it for you. It’s like saying fans doing the wave or chanting random things at a football, basketball, or baseball game ruins it for you. Simply mute the Tv (most fans complain about the commentary anyway) and you should be fine. Crowds can chant whatever they want. They paid to be there in person. Again, AJ/Rusev was a match the fans were super into and they focused on it from bell to bell with no random chants. Same goes for Bryan/Bludgeon Bros and New Day/Sanity. Give them a match that is ether telegraphed or contains stars they don’t care about, and you get things like this. The bigger problem is the WWE simply not creating enough interesting character, feuds and stories. During he attitude era, everyone from Stone Cold to Gildberg had a story. We had reasons to invest in everyone. Why should I care about Dolph Ziggler when he’s been booked as a loser and is simply helping to introduce McIntyre back to the casual fan? Why should I care about Raw’s top guys when Brock even shows up? The WWE doesn’t seem to care about the quality of their product, so why should the fans in attendance just sit there and pretend to enjoy it?
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Post by King Richius on Jul 16, 2018 11:47:12 GMT -5
I have an alternate theory to why the fans in the arena were doing the Royal Rumble countdown chant during what should have been a reasonably well received main event.
WWE PPVs are too damn long. Taking in the pre-show match and a four hour show pushes anybody's love of wrestling to the limits. Taking in over four hours of anything pushes an audience's patience. Those of us at home have the luxury of no wait bathrooms, whatever damn drinks, snacks, or even full meals we want for free, thread heading for those who enjoy it, and so on. I honestly doubt my ability to remain focused and interested if I'm sitting in the arena without all of the comforts of home. I might starting chanting stupid s*** too and thinking it's the greatest thing ever.
Just throwing it out there. Feel free to agree or disagree. It's my theory but I'm not getting into a war of words over it.
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Post by Bandalero on Jul 16, 2018 12:21:37 GMT -5
I have an alternate theory to why the fans in the arena were doing the Royal Rumble countdown chant during what should have been a reasonably well received main event. WWE PPVs are too damn long. Taking in the pre-show match and a four hour show pushes anybody's love of wrestling to the limits. Taking in over four hours of anything pushes an audience's patience. Those of us at home have the luxury of no wait bathrooms, whatever damn drinks, snacks, or even full meals we want for free, thread heading for those who enjoy it, and so on. I honestly doubt my ability to remain focused and interested if I'm sitting in the arena without all of the comforts of home. I might starting chanting stupid s*** too and thinking it's the greatest thing ever. Just throwing it out there. Feel free to agree or disagree. It's my theory but I'm not getting into a war of words over it. Dude you are right on the money! Over-saturation of product. Simple as that. You stretch your talent and your staff, and your product quality will go down. There is no reason why these monthly PPVs should be 4 hours like the big four shows. Now WWE is committed to super shows in Saudi Arabia and Australia - so they fly their talent and crew out to the other side of the world to perform on a marathon show again. I know some wrestlers were pushing to be Unionized in days gone by, and I'm not a Union guy in the least, but I can see why now. WWE really is grueling. The talent has to do promos with social medial, rehearse matches, perform in the ring, and somehow find time to workout, while maintaining a family somewhere in another part of the country. Things will break, fans will get bored, everyone suffers.
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2018 12:44:34 GMT -5
Sometimes I think fans are crazy. I’ve read several reviews that crapped on the AJ match—saying the crowd was silent or AJ is looking lost. I thought it was MOTN.
The Pittsburgh crowd is ridiculous
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 13:52:18 GMT -5
Sometimes I think fans are crazy. I’ve read several reviews that crapped on the AJ match—saying the crowd was silent or AJ is looking lost. I thought it was MOTN. The Pittsburgh crowd is ridiculous I thought the crowd was really into the match. Lots of dueling AJ Styles-RUSEV DAY chants. The only time the crowd fell flat in that match was at the end. They built the leg injury of Rusev but there wasn't any suspense or near fall sequences to end the match. I thought the crowd was good for that match
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Post by havoc7179 on Jul 16, 2018 14:10:14 GMT -5
Sometimes I think fans are crazy. I’ve read several reviews that crapped on the AJ match—saying the crowd was silent or AJ is looking lost. I thought it was MOTN. The Pittsburgh crowd is ridiculous I thought the crowd was really into the match. Lots of dueling AJ Styles-RUSEV DAY chants. The only time the crowd fell flat in that match was at the end. They built the leg injury of Rusev but there wasn't any suspense or near fall sequences to end the match. I thought the crowd was good for that match I thought the crowd was excellent for the match. If you look at the overall show, they were really into it.The only bigger sustained reaction was the 10 Count. I bet somehow they use Dillinger tomorrow just to deal with it.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Jul 16, 2018 15:05:51 GMT -5
I was at the show and hated the idiots in the crowd that did the Rumble countdown. It was funny the first two times but after they took down the clock it just got worse. I think they lost the crowd after Reigns/Lashley because Rusev/AJ wasn't a crowd captivating match. It also didnt help things that the main event started off slow and didn't hook the crowd right away. Personally, I though the match was horrendous and a reflection of the show overall. Had absolutely awful booking and a headscratcher of a finish. In a match like that you have to pace yourself though. Ring psychology, working a WWE main event.
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Post by bigshab421 on Jul 16, 2018 15:23:28 GMT -5
I was at the show and hated the idiots in the crowd that did the Rumble countdown. It was funny the first two times but after they took down the clock it just got worse. I think they lost the crowd after Reigns/Lashley because Rusev/AJ wasn't a crowd captivating match. It also didnt help things that the main event started off slow and didn't hook the crowd right away. Personally, I though the match was horrendous and a reflection of the show overall. Had absolutely awful booking and a headscratcher of a finish. In a match like that you have to pace yourself though. Ring psychology, working a WWE main event. they didn't work a full hour match dude. They had a barn-burner on Raw a few weeks ago that was 35 minutes. During that match they kicked out of each others signatures and finishers, but this "Iron-Man" match Rollins was picking up wins with just buckle-bombs and other weak stuff. They had 30 minutes with a dead crowd, they should have came out on fire and went full bore the whole match. Not to mention, the iron man match didn't really make sense with this feud. McIntyre not Ellsworth should have been in the shark cage during this match. The feud is quickly turning into McIntyre/Rollins.
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Post by aggressiveperfectpoor on Jul 16, 2018 15:39:21 GMT -5
In a match like that you have to pace yourself though. Ring psychology, working a WWE main event. they didn't work a full hour match dude. They had a barn-burner on Raw a few weeks ago that was 35 minutes. During that match they kicked out of each others signatures and finishers, but this "Iron-Man" match Rollins was picking up wins with just buckle-bombs and other weak stuff. They had 30 minutes with a dead crowd, they should have came out on fire and went full bore the whole match. Not to mention, the iron man match didn't really make sense with this feud. McIntyre not Ellsworth should have been in the shark cage during this match. The feud is quickly turning into McIntyre/Rollins. i honestly think they're going that way too. They're obviously trying to push Drew.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Jul 16, 2018 18:08:22 GMT -5
Last night was an awful show. Rusev/AJ, The Owens spot and Nakamura murdering Jeff were legitimately the only good things. Rollins/Ziggler was killed when they went to the McIntyre card so early into the match. Bad call. It was bad. Yes. But aren't most of them bad these days? I just don't like how the crowd handled it. To be honest no.....I have been enjoying the PPVs much more than most recently.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Jul 16, 2018 18:16:41 GMT -5
It was bad. Yes. But aren't most of them bad these days? I just don't like how the crowd handled it. To be honest no.....I have been enjoying the PPVs much more than most recently. Fair enough. I'm fine with them too, but they aren't what they used to be. But it doesn't bother me because I've accepted it for what it is.
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