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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 20:41:43 GMT -5
Speaking as someone who is in no way, shape or form an animal person, I think it is completely ridiculous that Vick serve the first day in prison or miss a single game in the NFL. There are players that have been involved in a murder wrap that didn't miss a single regular season game. And I'm talking about the double homicide of actual human beings here, in one case, and in another an innocent person was killed in a vehicular homicide. That player served 90 days and was allowed right back into the league after time served. Just google the names Ray Lewis or Leonard Little. You mean to tell me that you can lose more by killing dogs than actual human beings? Bull. ing. Shit.
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Post by T R W on Aug 21, 2007 20:44:51 GMT -5
You also have to look at the NUMBER of incidents, not just the seriousness of the crime. Ray Lewis was not being accused of actual murder, just withholding evidence. They also had little evidence to convict him. There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence against Vick. Also, don't forget the gambling charges, and plenty of other felonies on top of it. THough I agree that Leonard Little got off easy. But, that doesn't change the fact that Vick is guilty, and deserves to spend time in jail.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 21, 2007 20:55:02 GMT -5
You make no sense kid. Vick has mountains of evidence, like TRW says, not to mention anything involving pro sports in Gambling = expulsion, not to mention the bigger picture of racketeering. He essentially funded an illegal and immoral gambling ring.
God forbid you have to kill someone to be banned from professional sports
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 21:21:41 GMT -5
You make no sense kid. Vick has mountains of evidence, like TRW says, not to mention anything involving pro sports in Gambling = expulsion, not to mention the bigger picture of racketeering. He essentially funded an illegal and immoral gambling ring. God forbid you have to kill someone to be banned from professional sports But, what you're overlooking is that, apparently, not even killing someone[/i] gets you banned in the league. Little signed a three year extension last season, after serving time for vehicular homicide. So, the argument you are attempting to make is that gambling and dogfighting deserves a more serious punishment than killing someone while driving drunk or covering the back of your boys that were accused of double homicide.. I repeat: Bull. ing. Shit.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 21, 2007 21:26:21 GMT -5
I have no argument for Leonard Little, hes a piece of shit, but was he convicted of manslaughter or homocide?
Anyways, first off CALM DOWN, secondly, why cant they BOTH be banned?
Seriously, defending Vick makes you look awful
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 21:29:37 GMT -5
You also have to look at the NUMBER of incidents, not just the seriousness of the crime. Ray Lewis was not being accused of actual murder, just withholding evidence. They also had little evidence to convict him. There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence against Vick. Also, don't forget the gambling charges, and plenty of other felonies on top of it. THough I agree that Leonard Little got off easy. But, that doesn't change the fact that Vick is guilty, and deserves to spend time in jail. Here's the thing, though... regardless of who it is, you or me or an NFL football player, I refuse to believe that one person does 90 days for killing someone while drunk driving and then someone else gets 365 or more for dogfighting and gambling. Can you tell me with a straight face that that makes sense? That gambling and dogfighting gets you a more serious sentence than killing a person?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 21, 2007 21:37:53 GMT -5
Was it a Manslaughter or Homocide? Can you answer that while you are on your soap box?
Let me speak slowly for you too:
When you mix gambling in ANY professional sports ( Shoeless Joe, Pete Rose etc) you are banned, it compromises the integrity of the game, and causes millions of dollars in losses.
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Post by T R W on Aug 21, 2007 21:49:09 GMT -5
Another thing you are missing, is that Vick is AGREEING to this sentence.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 21:54:37 GMT -5
I have no argument for Leonard Little, hes a piece of ****, but was he convicted of manslaughter or homocide? Anyways, first off CALM DOWN, secondly, why cant they BOTH be banned? Seriously, defending Vick makes you look awful To me, what Vick did is little different than illegal street racing. In both instances, the possibility exists that you will suffer destruction of personal property. And whether people like to acknowledge it or not, that's what pets are: personal property. Don't take my word for it, just check out www.animallaw.info. Now, if Vick were street racing, with all the gambling aspects included, do you think there would be this kind of outrage? No, of course not. And likewise, there was next to no attention paid to someone that did jail time (while in the league) for killing another human being. He wasn't barred for life. Indeed, as far as I know, Little wasn't even suspended from the league. To the best of my knowledge he pled guilty to Vehicular Homicide instead of going to trial and served a whole 90 days with four years probation and community service. To my mind, anyone ranting about how Vick should do the max and he should be trapped in a pit with dogs and all that garbage are the ones who look awful. He destroyed personal property. How that became a crime worse than killing a person is beyond me.
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 22:08:29 GMT -5
Another thing you are missing, is that Vick is AGREEING to this sentence. No, I get that, but I feel it's bullcrapthat at some point in time we came to basically value the life of an animal more than that of a human being. Kill a person: 90 days. Kill a dog: 365. How the does that work?
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 22:20:48 GMT -5
When you mix gambling in ANY professional sports ( Shoeless Joe, Pete Rose etc) you are banned, it compromises the integrity of the game, and causes millions of dollars in losses. Really? Well, damn, I guess the entire Braves clubhouse is going to be banned then, considering they all had a pool going for the NCAA Tournament. Smoltz, Maddux and Glavine are definitely screwed, as they used to make friendly wagers on the golf course. Michael Jordan and Charles Barkley, both notorious gamblers even during their time in the NBA, will never be allowed into the Hall of Fame after stories of their poker games get out, huh? Wow... every sport is totally ed now. Vick didn't bet on Football. He didn't even bet on a legal sport at all. So, would you like to take a stab at attempting to explain how that would have any affect whatsoever on the National Football League?
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 21, 2007 22:27:29 GMT -5
You need to do some research on what the law means, Little was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, not homocide, which I have mentioned 8 times and you keep ignoring.
You might be a idiot animal hater and taking a life might be fine with you, but the United States Law states that he was convicted of involuntary manslaughter:
Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States, Gross negligence manslaughter in the UK or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.
Vick, knowingly did all this, he murdered, ordered murders, trafficked and all this stuff.
Grow up if you do not see why Vick should not be banned but PLEASE PLEASE do some research on Little before you preach
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Post by The Doctor on Aug 21, 2007 22:49:21 GMT -5
You need to do some research on what the law means, Little was convicted of involuntary manslaughter, not homocide, which I have mentioned 8 times and you keep ignoring. I've read various reports, some say he pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide and others say vehicular manslaughter. Either way he copped a plea, just like Vick and the fact of the matter is that a 47 year old wife and mother is in the ground because a football player was driving drunk, served 90 days in a work house and that was the worst of his sentence. His actions directly led to the loss of human life. Was he thrown out of the league? No. In fact, he signed a new contract and even got to play in the Super Bowl. In the meantime, people want to crucify Michael Vick because of some dead animals. The media is pretty much only mentioning the gambling as an afterthought, if at all and instead they're focusing on the cruel deaths of dogs and people are, by and large, drawing their conclusions on that basis alone. It's not that Vick was gambling, it's that, in their mind, he had Fido and Spot going at it UFC style. That's what people are basing their hate on. Again, I believe that if Vick and his boys had been betting on illegal street racing, nobody would care, even if a couple of the drivers had died. After all, death associated with automobiles clearly isn't a big deal to the NFL.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 21, 2007 23:18:37 GMT -5
I am not even gonna respond to all that but you should really get you head checked if you are comparing an Atlanta Braves NCAA pool to a multiple state gambling and dog fighting league.
Go preach outside the courthouse then
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Post by T R W on Aug 22, 2007 6:29:00 GMT -5
I'm no PETA member. But, I do know this. If you were trying to kill my dog, I would kill you without hesitation. And as Ralpho said, a lot of our justice system is based on intent. Little, as much of a douchebag as he is, didn't intend to kill that lady. However, Vick, organized, funded, and was essentially the mastermind behind tons of illegal activity. There is a difference in being punished for a mistake, and being punished for intentionally breaking the law over a several year period of time.
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Post by LeighD on Aug 23, 2007 11:25:19 GMT -5
You also have to look at the NUMBER of incidents, not just the seriousness of the crime. Ray Lewis was not being accused of actual murder, just withholding evidence. They also had little evidence to convict him. There is a MOUNTAIN of evidence against Vick. Also, don't forget the gambling charges, and plenty of other felonies on top of it. THough I agree that Leonard Little got off easy. But, that doesn't change the fact that Vick is guilty, and deserves to spend time in jail. Here's the thing, though... regardless of who it is, you or me or an NFL football player, I refuse to believe that one person does 90 days for killing someone while drunk driving and then someone else gets 365 or more for dogfighting and gambling. Can you tell me with a straight face that that makes sense? That gambling and dogfighting gets you a more serious sentence than killing a person? ^ I agree with the fact that doesn't make sense. Both individuals should be locked up and banned from their sports. If someone kills anothe rhuman being (unless in self-defense) they should be given at least a year at the VERY MINIMUM. I honestly would be happy in Vicks was @ss-raped to death after droppign the soap. I wish he would've gotten like 5- 10 years. F*ck him and f*ck anyone supporting him. Humans can at least defend themselves. Animals cannot. People defend and say Vicks got more than what he should've gotten because he's black. Bull... f*cking...sh*t. Its not a black thing or a white thing, its a he-sucks-as-a-human-being-thing and not he should get the worst he can possibly get.
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Post by slappy on Aug 23, 2007 23:15:10 GMT -5
They are saying his plea won't contain gambling or the dog killing. That's ing bullshit. If he was a regular person, he wouldn't get a plea, he would be charged with gambling and the killings. the justice system.
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Post by LeighD on Aug 24, 2007 5:14:45 GMT -5
The only way justice would be served in this whole case is if Michael Vick is put to death the same way he killed those innocent dogs...
Or thrown over board in the Atlatic ocean and left for great white sharks to feast on.
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Post by T R W on Aug 24, 2007 17:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2007 20:23:45 GMT -5
Another thing you are missing, is that Vick is AGREEING to this sentence. He only agreed to it because had he not he would have been torn to peices in Federal courts and would have had some serious jail in. I believe that he was involved with the dog fighting and gambling. But there is no way I believe he actually killed the dogs. Some piece of crapthat will get off with less than Vick for exactly the same crime saying he did doesnt make it true. People are making this out to be the worst ing thing someone has ever done. Hell, ing people that continue to praise Beniot are calling him a piece of shit?!?! Call me ed up, but they is no way killing ing animals is worse than killing a human being.
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