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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 17, 2007 23:28:46 GMT -5
This happened with Lidge, and Gagne isnt even a closer. You take him out of his pressure role, let him get right, and put him back. It's been done, except for Francona and Gagne. God knows why Yeah...and we've seen how well that's worked for Lidge.
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 17, 2007 23:29:30 GMT -5
This happened with Lidge, and Gagne isnt even a closer. You take him out of his pressure role, let him get right, and put him back. It's been done, except for Francona and Gagne. God knows why Yeah...and we've seen how well that's worked for Lidge. Actually hes much better than he has been and he is about to get the save tonight smart guy...
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 17, 2007 23:33:32 GMT -5
Except for the fact that Lidge has been a head case in general since Pujols' homerun. Gagne has been a successful closer, even this year, who never had problems "pitching under pressure." I just don't understand how giving him less work would help him. I really don't think this is a confidence issue with Gagne as it was with Lidge.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 17, 2007 23:37:14 GMT -5
I am going to slow it down for you Thug, maybe you can read it now. When you have a 4 run lead, let your weaker reliever close it out, not your ace. Obviously, he isnt gonna know what is gonna happen in the 2nd game but you dont need Mr ing Bean to guess that Gagne is gonna suck next time out. I never said less work, just not high pressure situations, relievers all the time lose their way, I mean Rivera loses it once a year, Lidge, Dempster etc. This happens all the time. Gagne pitched in LA and Texas, 2 baseball super powers let me tell you, its a big change pitching in the 8th in Boston than in front of 900 people and 13 cows in Texas
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 17, 2007 23:38:19 GMT -5
astros win...Astros win!
- Defeat Padres 3-1 - Lance Berkman 8th inning 2 run shot - Lidge with the save #10 (miracle) - Woody Williams gave up 1 run in 7 IP
Good Game, although i hate staying up this late to watch these west coast fiascos
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Aug 17, 2007 23:46:05 GMT -5
I am going to slow it down for you Thug, maybe you can read it now. When you have a 4 run lead, let your weaker reliever close it out, not your ace. Obviously, he isnt gonna know what is gonna happen in the 2nd game but you dont need Mr ing Bean to guess that Gagne is gonna suck next time out. I never said less work, just not high pressure situations, relievers all the time lose their way, I mean Rivera loses it once a year, Lidge, Dempster etc. This happens all the time. Gagne pitched in LA and Texas, 2 baseball super powers let me tell you, its a big change pitching in the 8th in Boston than in front of 900 people and 13 cows in Texas If Francona would have gone with another reliever in Game 1 and he blew the lead, you'd be blaming that game on him instead of this one. You have to take each game one at a time. Obviously, he would have preferred to save either Okajima or Papelbon for Game 2 without having to use them both, but that's the way it goes. Boston was trying to go for the sweep and Francona used his best relievers in the first game. Pitching Gagne in less pressure situations will automatically result in less work. I'm assuming by "less pressure situations" you mean in games when Boston has a 4+ run lead late in games. Well, no team has that type of luxury. At this point, you're probably going to continue to see Gagne brought in if Papelbon or Okajima needs a day off. Once he gets his stuff together, he'll be fine. It's just a matter of WHEN he gets his stuff together at this point. Boston gave up 3 prospects for basically a 3 month rental...you don't want October to come with Gagne still having these problems. I guess we agree to disagree on this situation. I can see why you'd blame Francona for the O's game, but if I was a Red Sox fan I would put all the blame on Gagne for this one. When Mo blew the lead the other day, I would have loved to blame Torre but I couldn't. He went with his best available reliever and it didn't pay off - same situation with Francona tonight since he didn't have Papelbon or Okajima available.
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Post by krush on Aug 18, 2007 0:39:40 GMT -5
brandon webb is a ing machine
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 18, 2007 1:37:24 GMT -5
White Sox are raping me in mlb2k7 for ps3
Crede just hit a 3 run Hr off me as Jennings :-\
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Post by Nash on Aug 18, 2007 11:38:39 GMT -5
even though crede just had back surgery, they should bring him in. wheel him out on his wheel chair and he can just sit there and swing. It can't get worse offensively right now. and if i see this correctly, the astros are 12 games under and we are 13 games under....
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 18, 2007 11:43:13 GMT -5
The only number I care about is the 7.5 games back.
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Post by Nash on Aug 18, 2007 12:03:37 GMT -5
Yeah if the White Sox were in the N.L. central, I would feel the same way. But the only number I care about for the rest of the season is .500.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 18, 2007 12:47:42 GMT -5
According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, the White Sox and Jermaine Dye have agreed to a two-year, $22 million extension with a mutual option for 2010. Dye could have landed a four-year, $50 million or five-year, $60 million contract this winter if he could have avoided a substantial decline from his 2006 numbers. However, his ugly first half made him a far more reasonable signing fo the White Sox. Dye only figures to bounce back so far next year, but this is deal is short enough that it won't hurt the White Sox very much if Dye is little more than an average corner outfielder going forward. There's still going to be room for Ryan Sweeney and Brian Anderson if they prove they belong.
2 year deal, cant argue with that. But where does Owen/Sweeney/Anderson all play?
One of em hasta be dealt, same with Pussednick
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Post by Nash on Aug 18, 2007 12:54:17 GMT -5
That's great to hear about Jermaine. He had a rough first half, but he has already started playing better and I can only hope he carries it into next year.
Pods will be gone come next year. I can almost guarantee that. And there has been talk of moving Josh Fields into LF to make room for Crede at 3rd. So a Fields, Owens, Dye OF isn't half bad actually.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 18, 2007 12:56:03 GMT -5
But what about Sweeney and Anderson? Both of whom are better long term players than Owens? Crede is just a waste, they needed to trade him and keep Fields at 3B.
Dye at 4 years would have been one of the worst contracts ever, but for a team trying to rebuild/contend 2 years isnt bad, as long as he doenst have a no trade clause or something stupid like that
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Post by Nash on Aug 18, 2007 13:00:35 GMT -5
Crede a waste? He was arguably a MVP candidate two years ago, last year, he cracked 30 HR's, and he is arguably the best 3B defensively in the league. His back was all ed up this year so counting this year would be somewhat stupid. As for Sweeny and Anderson, idk. imo they should atleast give a shot at Hunter or Rowand on the market, but that won't happen.
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Aug 18, 2007 13:07:43 GMT -5
Joe Crede will be 30 years old to start next season and a FA with Scott Boras as his agent.
He has some pop, but is usually around a 250 hitter with 20 or so HR. He isnt worth what Boras will ask for him, and Josh Fields projects to be a much much much better player.
The rumor last offseason for Santana/Crede was the worst move ever on the White Sox, they should have done that. Crede might come back from a back injury, and be like his 2006 season, actually he will because its a contract year, but theres a good chance he does not come back.
Therefore you alienate Ryan Sweeney, the White Sox best prospect, Brian Anderson the best defensive OF the White Sox have and Jerry Owens, your version of pre-injury Scott Podesednick if you move Fields to LF, sign Rowand and keep Dye.
The White Sox are half rebuilding and half contending, some of Williams's moves have been awful, like he hasta make up his mind. The team, even with Rowand is a 3rd place team in the AL Central, and dont think I am bashing you Nashy, but the team cant contend with Detroit or Cleveland unless they make up their mind and deal their prospects for places of need (SS, rotation help, bullpen help) or they should have let Dye walk, traded Crede last year and went with the kids.
Teams that cant make up their mind on rebuild or go for it now usually wind up in 3rd place
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Post by LA Times on Aug 18, 2007 13:11:37 GMT -5
Hmmm...the Phillies need an upgrade at 3rd base and Ken Williams and Pat Gillick are REALLY good friends...
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Post by Nash on Aug 18, 2007 13:21:23 GMT -5
Well you are right about Willimas not being able to make up his mind. That's why in some way, I hope they finish 20 some odd games under .500 so he can realize that there need to be changes.
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Post by comebackkid on Aug 18, 2007 13:31:58 GMT -5
Trade Crede to Mexico
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Post by GP™ on Aug 18, 2007 13:57:34 GMT -5
Mexico is owning in Little League, so I'm sure they won't need him. Netherlands on the other hand...
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