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Post by theoutlaw1999 on Aug 11, 2018 15:56:25 GMT -5
Seriously what was the point in calling these teams up? All they do is eat pinfalls and it's as if creative don't know what to do with them. I admit I'm not an IIconic fan and find their promos cringeworthy but at the same time they seem to be nothing more than jobbers for the faces to defeat.
Now Sanity are a complete travesty. They were split from Nikki Cross for no reason and since their debut they have fallen so far I cannot see a way back. Look at the Wyatt Family for example. I admit that their booking was far from perfect but when they first debut in 2013 they were treated as a threat to the roster where a huge part of the show. Sanity are way more crazier than the Wyatt's and instead of losing to tag teams they should have been booked as a major threat to Smackdown and stalked their opponents.
It's getting to the point where I'm considering calling it a day on NXT because there is no point in getting behind anyone because once they make the main roster they're doomed.
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 11, 2018 16:02:47 GMT -5
I honestly forgot about Sanity lol
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 11, 2018 16:12:31 GMT -5
They’re just suffering from the same old “we don’t know what to do with them” syndrome that 99% of NXT call ups have gone through. Give them time though, maybe they’ll progress. Look at the current champions, 7 of them are NXT alumni (Nakamura, Carmella, Alexa Bliss, Harper & Rowan, Axel (Michael McGillicutty), Bo Dallas) so there is hope.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 11, 2018 16:31:44 GMT -5
The IIconics ate pin falls in NXT too, so nothing has changed there.
Sanity, just has no direction. This is exactly the opposite of what Triple H asks when calling people up, but it happens all the time. He wants creative to have a six month plan, but he's lucky if they have a six minute plan. I also think the loss of Nikki Cross has stifled them a bit. Plus Killian Dain wears a t-shirt and has yet to be given a chance to shine. IMO he's the breakout star of the group.
I will say I think both will be fine in time. If we get a tag team division for Women, the IIconics will be top contenders. And once the titles are off the Bludgeon Brothers, I expect Sanity to be given more attention.
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Post by Nivro™ on Aug 11, 2018 16:51:15 GMT -5
IIconics were doomed to fail for the simple fact they're not good.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Aug 11, 2018 16:57:23 GMT -5
This just seems like complaining for the sake of complaining. How many of the announced SummerSlam 2018 matches don't have any NXT alumni in them?
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Aug 11, 2018 17:00:48 GMT -5
As most of the NXT talent once they hit the main roster the extremely bad booking starts and their career a pretty much over.In the last four or five years how many of the NXT call ups have been booked properly and are at the same level they where in NXT or actually above what they where in NXT.The only talent in the last four or five years that are at the level they where in NXT or actually better of then they where in NXT are Owens,Charlotte,Bliss,Carmella,Corbin and to a lesser extent Lynch.With Bliss,Carmella and Corbin really being the only ones to be leaps and bounds better on the main roster then in NXT.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Aug 11, 2018 17:11:18 GMT -5
IIconics were doomed to fail for the simple fact they're not good.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Aug 11, 2018 17:50:33 GMT -5
It is a shame, but part of the problem is an over bloated roster, and creative not having anything for em.
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Post by B-Radimus Prime on Aug 11, 2018 18:03:02 GMT -5
Isn’t it the Creative Team’s job to think of something creative for each Superstar/Tag Team? Why is it that they very rarely seem to be able to do that for more than 2-4 Superstars?
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Post by BSR on Aug 11, 2018 18:09:25 GMT -5
Billy Joe and Payton suck.
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 11, 2018 19:15:54 GMT -5
I don’t know, but anytime someone claims a member of the roster has fallen so far they could never recover I have roll my eyes. I think everyone should know at this point that 2 months of a few wins and dominate performances and anyone can get back in enough good graces for the audience to care again.
We like to joke that Vince is out of touch, and while there are times I believe that to be true, a lot, we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and I feel like Vince does this on purpose for certain talent. Look at Tyler Breeze. Based off some of his tweets he seemed like someone just happy to have a job in nxt, and wanted a promotion to the main roster for the money. When asked how he felt about falling so far from his position down in Florida shortly after joining Raw, he even joked about looking at his bank account and judging that as great success. How do you test an employee to see who should get a push? If you put them in a losing streak and they still put on a great show, all the while letting their bosses know they’re not satisfied in a respectful way, that’s probably who’s going to move up.
We like to sit at home and say “hey, he’s/she’s my favorite and the fans really like them too so they should always win” but maybe we don’t see that they’re hard to get along with in the locker room and they always have something negative to say when they get the script. As an example (sorry in advance but it’s the best one) CM Punk liked to brag about how he’d tear up his lines right in front of creative. We would complain about him being champ but not main eventing. When the show was over, he was gone, wanting to take in a Blackhawk’s game in his personal time and not be bothered. You know who was willing to stay late, sign autographs and devote much of his free time to being a representative for WWE? John Cena, they guy they usually put in the main event. Punk thought being the best worker and talker should have been enough, but he wasn’t willing to go that extra mile.
To be a top star, tag team, stable, etc. you have to have planets align, but you have to be the total package (sorry Lex). WWE has so many moving parts, and I’m glad I don’t have to make those decisions, but business is business, and that’s the same if you’re in Forbes top 5, or a mom and pop store down the street.
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Post by Rude Awakening on Aug 11, 2018 20:05:54 GMT -5
The IIconics barely won in NXT also didn’t they?
The roster is more stacked than it ever has been, doesn’t mean we creative is burying them or ruining them.
Hell there was a rumor today that Asuka walked out on wwe that turned out to be false, just dirtsheets being dirtsheets
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Post by walkingturtles on Aug 11, 2018 21:26:45 GMT -5
I don’t know, but anytime someone claims a member of the roster has fallen so far they could never recover I have roll my eyes. I think everyone should know at this point that 2 months of a few wins and dominate performances and anyone can get back in enough good graces for the audience to care again. We like to joke that Vince is out of touch, and while there are times I believe that to be true, a lot, we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and I feel like Vince does this on purpose for certain talent. Look at Tyler Breeze. Based off some of his tweets he seemed like someone just happy to have a job in nxt, and wanted a promotion to the main roster for the money. When asked how he felt about falling so far from his position down in Florida shortly after joining Raw, he even joked about looking at his bank account and judging that as great success. How do you test an employee to see who should get a push? If you put them in a losing streak and they still put on a great show, all the while letting their bosses know they’re not satisfied in a respectful way, that’s probably who’s going to move up. We like to sit at home and say “hey, he’s/she’s my favorite and the fans really like them too so they should always win” but maybe we don’t see that they’re hard to get along with in the locker room and they always have something negative to say when they get the script. As an example (sorry in advance but it’s the best one) CM Punk liked to brag about how he’d tear up his lines right in front of creative. We would complain about him being champ but not main eventing. When the show was over, he was gone, wanting to take in a Blackhawk’s game in his personal time and not be bothered. You know who was willing to stay late, sign autographs and devote much of his free time to being a representative for WWE? John Cena, they guy they usually put in the main event. Punk thought being the best worker and talker should have been enough, but he wasn’t willing to go that extra mile. To be a top star, tag team, stable, etc. you have to have planets align, but you have to be the total package (sorry Lex). WWE has so many moving parts, and I’m glad I don’t have to make those decisions, but business is business, and that’s the same if you’re in Forbes top 5, or a mom and pop store down the street. You described In this scenario is what Vince dealt with in the mid 90s with Shawn and Bret. However Vince had to listen to the audience and deal with HBKs BS all the time va Bret who was a real company man. Now that he’s the only real game in town, Vince doesn’t have to listen to the audience, he just puts out a product without a headache and collects his check.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Aug 11, 2018 22:25:05 GMT -5
Sanity just won on PPV, even with the detriment that Killian Dain's the only good one left in the group. IIconics were doomed to fail for the simple fact they're not good. Billy Joe and Payton suck. They're arguably two of the most charismatic women on the roster (along with Carmella and Alexa) and easily have the best chemistry together on the roster. The whole point of their gimmick is to get the babyfaces pissed off enough that they whip their ass. Not everyone can be the champion (even if one of them should have been NXT Women's Champion at some point), and The IIconics fit the role they're in to a tee. (Not to mention being one of the most talented female tag teams to ever grace a ring.)
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Post by 666erickana on Aug 12, 2018 1:48:59 GMT -5
Ascension is a good exemple, dominant in nxt, jobbers on both brands, they switched brand and its the same thing.
When carmella was let off amore/cass at the first, it didnt helps, now they did the same with nikki cross, but the gimmick of nikki is more important to be included in sanity, it miss something.
Its a good point that 7 superstars from nxt are titleholders, but check bobby roode a great heel main event in nxt, to a face jobber for mojo rawley !
Im sure that the 4 guys of the undisputed era will be jobbers on raw ou sdown, maybe they can be safe in 205 live, but the wwe dont takes this brand to seriously...
Baron corbin was a great heel with a different look in nxt, now he is a bland shaved constable on raw They will do the same with alister black
Sometimes i wish that nxt is a different brand just like raw and smackdown, and at least pit the guys 205 on nxt, for a great cruiser division. Take out 205 live 1 hour show, and put 2 hours on nxt instead, with the superstars of nxt,uk, and 205 live
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Aug 12, 2018 5:55:25 GMT -5
Sanity just won on PPV, even with the detriment that Killian Dain's the only good one left in the group. IIconics were doomed to fail for the simple fact they're not good. Billy Joe and Payton suck. They're arguably two of the most charismatic women on the roster (along with Carmella and Alexa) and easily have the best chemistry together on the roster. The whole point of their gimmick is to get the babyfaces pissed off enough that they whip their ass. Not everyone can be the champion (even if one of them should have been NXT Women's Champion at some point), and The IIconics fit the role they're in to a tee. (Not to mention being one of the most talented female tag teams to ever grace a ring.)This guy got jokes 😂😂😂
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Aug 12, 2018 7:39:04 GMT -5
I don’t know, but anytime someone claims a member of the roster has fallen so far they could never recover I have roll my eyes. I think everyone should know at this point that 2 months of a few wins and dominate performances and anyone can get back in enough good graces for the audience to care again. We like to joke that Vince is out of touch, and while there are times I believe that to be true, a lot, we don’t know what goes on behind the scenes, and I feel like Vince does this on purpose for certain talent. Look at Tyler Breeze. Based off some of his tweets he seemed like someone just happy to have a job in nxt, and wanted a promotion to the main roster for the money. When asked how he felt about falling so far from his position down in Florida shortly after joining Raw, he even joked about looking at his bank account and judging that as great success. How do you test an employee to see who should get a push? If you put them in a losing streak and they still put on a great show, all the while letting their bosses know they’re not satisfied in a respectful way, that’s probably who’s going to move up. We like to sit at home and say “hey, he’s/she’s my favorite and the fans really like them too so they should always win” but maybe we don’t see that they’re hard to get along with in the locker room and they always have something negative to say when they get the script. As an example (sorry in advance but it’s the best one) CM Punk liked to brag about how he’d tear up his lines right in front of creative. We would complain about him being champ but not main eventing. When the show was over, he was gone, wanting to take in a Blackhawk’s game in his personal time and not be bothered. You know who was willing to stay late, sign autographs and devote much of his free time to being a representative for WWE? John Cena, they guy they usually put in the main event. Punk thought being the best worker and talker should have been enough, but he wasn’t willing to go that extra mile. To be a top star, tag team, stable, etc. you have to have planets align, but you have to be the total package (sorry Lex). WWE has so many moving parts, and I’m glad I don’t have to make those decisions, but business is business, and that’s the same if you’re in Forbes top 5, or a mom and pop store down the street. You described In this scenario is what Vince dealt with in the mid 90s with Shawn and Bret. However Vince had to listen to the audience and deal with HBKs BS all the time va Bret who was a real company man. Now that he’s the only real game in town, Vince doesn’t have to listen to the audience, he just puts out a product without a headache and collects his check. Oh definitely. Bret still got to stay in the main event scene. If any of Vince’s big men would have gotten over more I feel both would have stayed in the IC picture. Vince was also fighting for his company’s life, so the boys got away with more too. As for right now, I can’t see how he could listen to the audience. They boo and chant odd things during Roman matches, then do the same for Rollins/Ziggler in the main event. Vince can’t get a decent creative team to write better stories. There’s no chance of finding someone to interpret what the fans in attendance are trying to say.
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Post by A-Rob on Aug 12, 2018 23:56:45 GMT -5
I don't think The IIconics have won any matches on tv. Sanity should have had a longer feud with the New Day to establish themselves and they should have ran through some tag teams. Both teams have been a victims of a clogged main roster.
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Post by Daria on Aug 13, 2018 0:52:23 GMT -5
We should have either gotten: sanity (all four of them) feuding with the new day and Naomi or a program where the new day basically takes over smackdown and takes out everyone.
Killian is definitely the star and should be pushed as a main eventer or atleast high mid card. Eric and Alexander In the tag team and Nikki in the women’s division.
The iiconics and basically every other women are suffering from Charlotte being on their roster, as long as she’s there I doubt the other girls will get any shine.
I’d much rather prefer a program with those two sharing a title then having Carmella as champion and Charlotte in the title picture
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