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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 7, 2018 8:55:06 GMT -5
So you can just manage to figure out exactly what will hold value and only buy That? Because even if you hit 50% you won't turn a profit when its all said and done. There isnt a major toy from 30 years ago that you can buy moc now cheaper than it cost, or VERY few, why would some wwe figures be any different And no, NOBODY knows, not me, nor you, so why argue about it Because they were far less produced. This isn't opinion, it's fact. I don't know what part of this you aren't comprehending.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 7, 2018 8:56:09 GMT -5
Because just look at how many people on this forum alone collect MOC. Then look at eBay. They are everywhere. To believe that your elite big e is gonna be worth anything is pure insanity. Look at funko. A FAR BIGGER resale market than wwe figures. The rarest pieces made in the last few years are going for maybe $200. And these are 5000 pieces limited editions or around there. Wwe figures are produced in numbers that dwarf that. Compared to old funko products before they were popular, some of which sell for thousands. Unless you get every figure at 5 below, you're gonna lose money when you sell. For every ses cm punk, there are 10 basic lanas. Be realistic. Thats just speculation, you dont know whats going to happen, if Big E becomes president his figures will be valuable, you cant say they wont, because you dont know, i know as well as you not all figures are gonna be worth a lot, some are though, for sure, first time in the line, legends, flashbacks, exclusives etc, they will be worth more, novody is suggesting they all will, thats why investments are risky, nobody, and i mean nobody, can say for a fact how much a figure will be worth in the future, if someone wants to invest their hard earnt money in figures, good luck to them i say, i enjoy seeing people collect, and i enjoy seeing people make money If big e becomes president? That's your argument. Yup, I'm done because you don't take yourself seriously, why the hell should I.
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Post by stc13 on Oct 7, 2018 8:59:53 GMT -5
To say all Jakks and all modern hot wheels are worthless today is complete tosh! Check ebay, most might be, but some are worth a hell of a lot So you can just manage to figure out exactly what will hold value and only buy That? Because even if you hit 50% you won't turn a profit when its all said and done. It's not even worth feeding the troll. If anyone is banking on their collectibles being part of their "portfolio" or "cash on hand," I'd suggest taking a good look at your finances. Whether we're talking toys or collectibles or classic cars, the markets are largely driven by nostalgia. Supply is limited, and demand spikes as people reach a stage of life with more disposable income and nostalgia for the past. Maybe it's something they had as a kid or teen, or something they desperately wanted but couldn't afford. There's no question kids today will follow the same pattern in 20 years. Every generation has since WWII. But I don't see action figures being high up on that list. Video games, pop culture fads, maybe LEGOs? Sure. But it's supply and demand. The supply will be much higher due to MOC collectors who think they will cash in someday, and the demand will be lower with far fewer kids playing with these toys compared to LJN/Hasbro eras. Plenty of people budget responsibly and have the money to collect. But I've seen way too many in collectible hobbies who suddenly need to try to cash in on their collection because they didn't manager their finances well and something happened, and they end up getting pennies on the dollar. If you want an investment, invest your money in a traditional investment. When you factor in inflation and the opportunity cost of the return that money could have had compounding for 20 years in a more traditional investment, chances of making a good return are even lower than you'd think.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 9:01:08 GMT -5
There isnt a major toy from 30 years ago that you can buy moc now cheaper than it cost, or VERY few, why would some wwe figures be any different And no, NOBODY knows, not me, nor you, so why argue about it Because they were far less produced. This isn't opinion, it's fact. I don't know what part of this you aren't comprehending. Im not comprehending how you know how many Lion-o LJN produced compared to how many L6 Kerry Von Erich Mattel made? If im wrong, and you do know, i apologise
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 9:02:02 GMT -5
Thats just speculation, you dont know whats going to happen, if Big E becomes president his figures will be valuable, you cant say they wont, because you dont know, i know as well as you not all figures are gonna be worth a lot, some are though, for sure, first time in the line, legends, flashbacks, exclusives etc, they will be worth more, novody is suggesting they all will, thats why investments are risky, nobody, and i mean nobody, can say for a fact how much a figure will be worth in the future, if someone wants to invest their hard earnt money in figures, good luck to them i say, i enjoy seeing people collect, and i enjoy seeing people make money If big e becomes president? That's your argument. Yup, I'm done because you don't take yourself seriously, why the hell should I. It was an example of you not knowing the future, its fine to not know what the future holds, nobody does
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 9:03:34 GMT -5
So you can just manage to figure out exactly what will hold value and only buy That? Because even if you hit 50% you won't turn a profit when its all said and done. It's not even worth feeding the troll. If anyone is banking on their collectibles being part of their "portfolio" or "cash on hand," I'd suggest taking a good look at your finances. Whether we're talking toys or collectibles or classic cars, the markets are largely driven by nostalgia. Supply is limited, and demand spikes as people reach a stage of life with more disposable income and nostalgia for the past. Maybe it's something they had as a kid or teen, or something they desperately wanted but couldn't afford. There's no question kids today will follow the same pattern in 20 years. Every generation has since WWII. But I don't see action figures being high up on that list. Video games, pop culture fads, maybe LEGOs? Sure. But it's supply and demand. The supply will be much higher due to MOC collectors who think they will cash in someday, and the demand will be lower with far fewer kids playing with these toys compared to LJN/Hasbro eras. Plenty of people budget responsibly and have the money to collect. But I've seen way too many in collectible hobbies who suddenly need to try to cash in on their collection because they didn't manager their finances well and something happened, and they end up getting pennies on the dollar. If you want an investment, invest your money in a traditional investment. When you factor in inflation and the opportunity cost of the return that money could have had compounding for 20 years in a more traditional investment, chances of making a good return are even lower than you'd think. Calling someone a troll becuase they have a differing opinion is THE definition of a troll, i wasnt name calling, i was rationally speaking with someone, not you, about a topic, why start name calling? It shows you up
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 7, 2018 9:05:14 GMT -5
If big e becomes president? That's your argument. Yup, I'm done because you don't take yourself seriously, why the hell should I. It was an example of you not knowing the future, its fine to not know what the future holds, nobody does You know those idiots that keep claiming the world is gonna end? You know how everyone else knows better and sits back and laughs until the date passes and then we openly mock them? Because sometimes the majority flat out just does know. This is one of those situations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 9:07:09 GMT -5
It was an example of you not knowing the future, its fine to not know what the future holds, nobody does You know those idiots that keep claiming the world is gonna end? You know how everyone else knows better and sits back and laughs until the date passes and then we openly mock them? Because sometimes the majority flat out just does know. This is one of those situations. But every single one of the ringside exclusives for example sells for more now than it cost at its lowest, some of the hall of fame line sells for more, the Ultimate Warrior for example, lots of early Mattel elites sell now for more than they cost, you cant argue with that, well you could, but youd be wrong So if you bought the RSC exclusives as an investment, youve earnt money I wholeheartedly agree, not every figure will make money, there are loads that will
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Post by roblikestoys on Oct 7, 2018 9:12:21 GMT -5
I was a big Jakks classics collector. I only buy first in the lines if Jakks did not make them. Its a good way to get a figure of everything wrestling star without breaking the bank.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Oct 7, 2018 9:23:05 GMT -5
You know those idiots that keep claiming the world is gonna end? You know how everyone else knows better and sits back and laughs until the date passes and then we openly mock them? Because sometimes the majority flat out just does know. This is one of those situations. But every single one of the ringside exclusives for example sells for more now than it cost at its lowest, some of the hall of fame line sells for more, the Ultimate Warrior for example, lots of early Mattel elites sell now for more than they cost, you cant argue with that, well you could, but youd be wrong So if you bought the RSC exclusives as an investment, youve earnt money I wholeheartedly agree, not every figure will make money, there are loads that will But nobody just buys the ones that are. So maybe you win th ere, but you lose on almost every basic, 95% of main line elites and several specialty lines. And again, too many people are saving things for hope of resale these days. Supply is gonna greatly outweigh demand. Meaning say you spend 17,000 on your collection and you wanna sell it for 20,000 because that's what you think the value is. Someone else has the same collection as you, as least as far as the main pieces go, and they are willing to sell for 17,000 just to break even so to speak. Now you have to either take a 3000 dollar hit not sell at all. Then someone comes out of left field willing to go for 15,000 because he's having a hard time. You gonna undercut him too? I have 1 example that nobody can deny. Ringside used to post it's weekly top 10 best sellers. Ringside HBK was top 10 for literally months straight. New preorders went, new in stock went up, but hbk was still there. So 1 of 2 things has to be true: 1. Ringside best sellers sell 100 or so pieces in a week. (Unlikely with new preorders going up all the time) 2. That there was a crazy high amount of this figure made to last so long. And we generally accept RSC exclusives are the "rare" figures. I'll bet it was the 2nd, meaning there are just too many of the figures floating around to ever turn the type of overall profits of 80s toys.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2018 9:34:50 GMT -5
kennyw86v2 nobody has ever suggested buying every single figure, i could cherry pick 10 figures over the next 12 months and i guarantee, 100% i could then sell them and make a profit We wont agree, i respect your opinion absolutely, but i wont agree with it, all, anyway lol some of what you say is true of course
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Oct 7, 2018 10:05:11 GMT -5
I gave up recently, just does not justify paying 20 and over for
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Post by jayrod2009 on Oct 7, 2018 11:10:41 GMT -5
The combination of over saturation, too many lines, poor distribution, and scalper heavy areas have once again pushed me out of collecting. WWE’s current roster is so large, that its next to impossible to get elites of everyone out each year without the help of sub-lines and exclusives. That part I understand. But when the main line like Elite shelfwarms many stores are reluctant to carry sub lines because they take the main lines selling point use it as a base sale for other lines. As a matter of fact, every store I have gone to has sat on the same stock since July. We all know how Tito sold, and many can still find one or two on a clearance aisle. Distribution os a factor I don’t see changing. Many stores didn’t take the oppurtunity to step up when TRU closed, which shows the toy industry as a whole is on a downward slope. I know that with TRU’s closing also came an influx of overstock for many companies and they needed to push that off to secondary markets like Ross, TJ maxx, Ollie’s, etc before loading their warehouses with new products. This has hurt nearly every major brand across the toy aisles. Neca for example came to a sudden screeching hult on distribution, forcing them to make major delays and cut a deal with Target, that still was only willing to shelf 5% of Neca’s offerings. I think stores see the dying times of toys and collectibles. Online shopping has takin over and people just won’t waste their time shopping at stores that have had the same stock for 3 months. I myself enjoy brick and mortar shopping, so I can have the thrill of the hunt and also visually inspect for QC errors before I commit to a purchase. Needless to say though, I no longer feel that $20 msrp holds a value for Elites. Sure the deco and sculpts have been made better, but $20 is a lot of money for something that will essentially collect dust to only be passed off to my son when I tire of looking at it. In no way do i buy to flip, however it is a nice sense of security to think that if I’m in a bind, I have sonething I could sell off to earn quick cash, this is not the market for that. These toys don’t retain value, and also don’t match the $20 msrp in value.
At the age of 30, I just have to makebthe concise decision to walk away from mass marketed collecting. I have made the switch back to high scale figures like Hot Toys. They are hand tailored, the attention to detail from screen accuracy and scene specifics to hand painted sculpts and accessories. Hell, even the box deco is art in itself. You get a true piece of art thats hand crafted for a crap load of money, but one day, when you have a unexpected bill pop up, you can easily sell off one or two and have some cash left over for dinner out with the family. I know its a dirty eay to look at collecting, but the security behind calue is a major factor in collecting. Maybe Mattel will look i to things like this, and offer a better suited brand or line for collectors that want something in their collection that matches a wow factor and rarity that not many collectors have. Sonething you can showcase as a center piece that you can feel proud to post and gloat about. The chase figures are a step in the right direction, but I almost want something that could equate to the Warrior limited run figures that are 1/25 or figures that are limited to 100 pcs. I would happily pay a premium for a figure that not many people owned. That is pure collecting. I want the Mattel elite figure thats equivalent to the douche bags that drive a Lambo down the beach. Come on Mattel, make me regret spending 100’s yet envy ones desire to have what I have! Lets really nut up and release 1/1’s.
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Post by rybuck on Oct 7, 2018 11:35:22 GMT -5
i mean we've been on a three-month hiatus from basics due to absolutely having to have ronda out to online retailers before christmas. and elites have been mostly repeats. in some waves they're all repeats. if anything the pace has been too slow for me. but i only complete the womens collection, balors, and any first time in the line elites i want.
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Post by fmwpt on Oct 7, 2018 18:28:57 GMT -5
I agree, too much lines, it's impossible to buy everything... Why would anyone need to buy everything? I'm pretty sure that's a mental disorder. Sorry, I forgot to mention. Everything that you want (not all the figures).
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Post by Da Handsome 1 on Oct 7, 2018 20:00:38 GMT -5
I buy all elites & keep them MOC. I’m struggling to keep up.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Oct 7, 2018 21:11:20 GMT -5
For me it's just buy which ever ones I like. You don't need everyone that gets released.
I'm more concerned with the exclusive figures and how to get the ones I like when I don't have that specific store around me,
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Post by TOOxSW33T on Oct 8, 2018 2:05:01 GMT -5
I just collect the Bálor & Orton so I'm not spending alot on figures I have more fun just collecting my 2 faves.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 4:58:22 GMT -5
You know those idiots that keep claiming the world is gonna end? You know how everyone else knows better and sits back and laughs until the date passes and then we openly mock them? Because sometimes the majority flat out just does know. This is one of those situations. But every single one of the ringside exclusives for example sells for more now than it cost at its lowest, some of the hall of fame line sells for more, the Ultimate Warrior for example, lots of early Mattel elites sell now for more than they cost, you cant argue with that, well you could, but youd be wrong So if you bought the RSC exclusives as an investment, youve earnt money I wholeheartedly agree, not every figure will make money, there are loads that will I paid less for RSC Jericho a few months ago than I did when it originally came out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 5:09:38 GMT -5
But every single one of the ringside exclusives for example sells for more now than it cost at its lowest, some of the hall of fame line sells for more, the Ultimate Warrior for example, lots of early Mattel elites sell now for more than they cost, you cant argue with that, well you could, but youd be wrong So if you bought the RSC exclusives as an investment, youve earnt money I wholeheartedly agree, not every figure will make money, there are loads that will I paid less for RSC Jericho a few months ago than I did when it originally came out. Its still available to buy though so thats not a good example at all, i should have made my point extra clear because i know how the internet is sometimes. Any of the retired ringside exclusives sell for more once retired than they ever did when available from ringside, i.e the American Made Hogan, or HBK Shawn Michaels, Macho King legends etc etc
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