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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2018 22:44:32 GMT -5
That show was okay.
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johnnyaustin21
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Nov 18, 2018 22:45:11 GMT -5
Really don't get the clean sweep for RAW unless this leads to the end of the brand split or a total over hall of the Smackdown roster.The Blue brand looked like total jobbers tonight.Charlotte/Rousey was the MOTN and really good with a hot post match angle.Now I wonder if the WWE is circling back to Rousey/Charlotte at WM 35 instead of Rousey/Lynch or possibly a triple threat match.
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Post by Funk The Revival on Nov 18, 2018 22:45:49 GMT -5
Daft that RAW won 6-0, especially considering smackdown won one of the raw v smackdown matches advertised for the show. Match of the night was Charlotte/Ronda easily for me. Were some decent moments scattered across the show, entertaining overall
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 18, 2018 22:46:13 GMT -5
This was ur run of the mill Brock match. However, I feel like a seed was planted with this one because of Bryan’s attitude before and after the match.
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Post by marino13 on Nov 18, 2018 22:47:40 GMT -5
I’m thinking they’re either setting up a 4HW vs 4 HW match. Or... they’re turning Charlotte heel so Becky can go back to a face. She’s crazy popular and now a legit badass.
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Post by tg11 on Nov 18, 2018 22:48:00 GMT -5
Really don't get the clean sweep for RAW unless this leads to the end of the brand split or a total over hall of the Smackdown roster.The Blue brand looked like total jobbers tonight.Charlotte/Rousey was the MOTN and really good with a hot post match angle.Now I wonder if the WWE is circling back to Rousey/Charlotte at WM 35 instead of Rousey/Lynch or possibly a triple threat match. I think we could end up with a Triple Threat Match for the RAW Women's Championship at Mania and it being in the main event with Ronda as the champion but Charlotte wins the Rumble and leaves SD to go to RAW and Becky somehow interjects herself into things |
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 18, 2018 22:48:22 GMT -5
Clean sweep for Raw is weird,but also it gets old to have it tied going into the last match. And none of it really matters anyway, it’s forgotten in 2 weeks
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Post by TurboEddie on Nov 18, 2018 22:48:32 GMT -5
I don’t know how WWE can think it’s okay to take people’s money and put on such terrible shows.
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Post by tg11 on Nov 18, 2018 22:49:11 GMT -5
I’m thinking they’re either setting up a 4HW vs 4 HW match. Or... they’re turning Charlotte heel so Becky can go back to a face. She’s crazy popular and now a legit badass. I think we get a Horsewomen vs Horsewomen Match at Mania I mean it is possible |
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Post by Edge618 on Nov 18, 2018 22:52:31 GMT -5
Really don't get the clean sweep for RAW unless this leads to the end of the brand split or a total over hall of the Smackdown roster.The Blue brand looked like total jobbers tonight.Charlotte/Rousey was the MOTN and really good with a hot post match angle.Now I wonder if the WWE is circling back to Rousey/Charlotte at WM 35 instead of Rousey/Lynch or possibly a triple threat match. I think we could end up with a Triple Threat Match for the RAW Women's Championship at Mania and it being in the main event with Ronda as the champion but Charlotte wins the Rumble and leaves SD to go to RAW and Becky somehow interjects herself into things I think it’d be easier for Ronda to just move to Raw to face Becky as the SD women’s champion. Or it could be a triple threat but it would be easier for Ronda to move after winning the Rumble , it would give SD’s Fox debut a boost, and would be easier than trying to explain how Charlotte and Becky switched brands |
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Post by K5 on Nov 18, 2018 22:59:51 GMT -5
Why does Lesnar have good matches with smaller guys and crappy ones with guys his size. Look back at his entire career and that’s his thing. I will say he does his job well he sold the hell out of Bryan’s moves and takes decent bumps when asked to however.... I also miss that 2003 lesnar that dude was a genetic freak beast, think of his wee career if he would have gotten a softer schedule . The current lesnar always looks like he skips leg day. 2003 lesnar could Flex. His thigh and knock people out. I think the smaller guys have a higher work rate = better match from an athletic display standpoint. triple h and cena gave good efforts though. and lesnar is probably not on literally a fifth as much juice as he was in 2003. he was something else though - usually when guys are that huge they lose mobility while lesnar moved like he had 100lb less on his frame. |
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Post by marino13 on Nov 18, 2018 23:12:26 GMT -5
Shane is already teasing changes coming to SD on Twitter. So clearly it’s part of a story.
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Post by johnnyaustin21 on Nov 18, 2018 23:15:06 GMT -5
I know theirs little chance of it happening but I hope that this is leading to the end of the failed brand split.RAW goes 6-0 and the fact that Lars Sullivan is debuting and they didn't say to which brand might be some signs.Maybe again I am hoping that the WWE has woken up and figured out that their ratings have been down and that their currently missing a ton of talent do to injury or other reasons in Cena,Reigns,Lynch,Bliss,Hardy,Wyatt,Owens,Zayn...ect and that guys like Strowman & Lashley according to rumors are in bad shape right now and need time off and possibly surgery.You put all these factors together plus now moving to Fox in a little less then a year and maybe the WWE finally comes to their sense.
With one brand you still have five hours of weekly TV plus the network to get all the talent that you need proper screen time.Plus you don't have to have talent on every show or even on every week.
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Post by hbkowns on Nov 18, 2018 23:17:07 GMT -5
I don’t know how WWE can think it’s okay to take people’s money and put on such terrible shows. Because those people keep coming back after WWE puts on terrible shows. |
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Post by rkmo: Everyone Else but Me on Nov 18, 2018 23:18:45 GMT -5
Great PPV. Any of you DB cucks who realistically believe a 140lb midget should even get any offense in on the BEAST INCARNATE are delusional. He got more offense in than Braun did or even Roman for that matter. If it was up to Brock he would have suplexed that troll right back to the bridge that he crawled out from. Overall ALL 5* matches except the Shinsuke/Rollins bore fest. Yeah, realism. Because a guy whose offense is made up of 70% theatrical punches beating a monster who gets paid to be punched in the face for a living in the UFC is so much better lol |
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Nov 18, 2018 23:24:15 GMT -5
Didn't watch kickoff or Women's tag matches, just happy Nia got boo'd to hell.
Rollins vs Nakamura was better than i thought it would've been, surprised Ambrose didn't cost Rollins the match.
AOP vs The Bar was good aside from that pathetic attention seeker Enzo trying to Hijack the match (And failing miserably) To quote Liv Morgan - "EM BA BA BARRASSING"
Murphy vs Ali delivered as usual, they stole the show. The crowd just needed to be more into it.
5-5 match was weird, it wasn't bad but just kind of all over the place, much better than last years though. Didn't like how they made Drew out to be a little dumb though.
Ronda vs Charlotte was good, really proves how much Ronda has learnt in such a short amount of time, didn't expect that ending but damn it was good. Despite that fact it was good, it was ruined by Ronda WALKING out, she shouldn't have even moved after that beating.
Main Event was great for what they could do, Heel Bryan is great and he was perfect in this match, actually thought he may have had it at some points, it was terrifying seeing Bryan take anything from Lesnar though.
Can't wait to see more Heel Bryan.
This PPV delivered more than expected considering the little hype for it and the lats minute changes.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 18, 2018 23:29:22 GMT -5
WWE Survivor Series
November 18th, 2018 | Staples Center in Los Angeles, California
Kickoff Match: Team Raw Tag Teams (The B-Team, Bobby Roode & Chad Gable, The Ascension, The Lucha House Party, and The Revival) vs. Team Smackdown Tag Teams (The Colons, The Good Brothers, The New Day, SAnitY, and The Usos)
With so many moving parts, this had potential to be a train wreck or an awesome match like the 2016 edition. This ended up ranking somewhere in the middle. It wasn’t stellar but was far from bad. First off, I popped for Primo Colon, still getting PPV checks after a decade or so. Anyway, most of the early stuff was fine. However, once it came down to Roode & Gable/Revival/Lucha House Party against New Day/Usos, this picked up in a major way. Gable and Roode showed off some dope tag moves. Gable also had the big spot of the match, hitting a massive German off the top and to the outside onto everyone left in the match. Xavier Woods fell victim to an insane Shatter Machine when he tried his springboard elbow. That left it down to my dream match, Revival vs. Usos. Their interaction wasn’t long, but it was really good. The Usos won with the big splash in 23:04. I called this the Sabu of matches. It was sloppy as hell, but really fun. I liked the shine for Revival and the back third of the match was so good. [***]
Team Raw Women (Bayley, Mickie James, Nia Jax, Sasha Banks, and Tamina) w/ Alexa Bliss vs. Team Smackdown Women (Asuka, Carmella, Mandy Rose, Naomi, and Sonya Deville) w/ R-Truth
Due to a Kickoff backstage fight between Ruby Riott and Natalya, Alexa Bliss kicked them off the team. She replaced them with a cohesive duo, Bayley and Sasha Banks. Nia got massive heat and she made sure to brush off her fist during her entrance. Naomi played team captain role, yet got eliminated first, followed quickly by Tamina. The less Tamina in a match, the better. Mandy Rose was given a lot of shine and fared far better than expected. She even pinned Mickie. Sonya and Asuka were the last two Smackdown girls, which is great. Sonya is underrated. They were matched against Bayley, Sasha, and Nia. Sonya and Bayley got eliminated via double countout. The finish was clear as soon as Nia was knocked outside. Asuka and Sasha had a very good back and forth. Nia knocked Sasha to the ring, allowing Asuka to eliminate her with the Asuka Lock. Nia then came in and hit a bunch of leg drops and a Samoan Drop to win as the sole survivor in 20:14. A well laid out match with some strong interactions. Sonya, Mandy, Sasha, and Asuka all got good shine, while nearly everyone had a small character moment. [***¼]
WWE Intercontinental Champion Seth Rollins vs. WWE United States Champion Shinsuke Nakamura
Aesthetically, this wasn’t good. Seth had his weird half red, half black Raw shirt, while Nakamura wore an awful looking Smackdown shirt and overdid the blue. This felt like one of the better Nakamura matches. Seth played off his skills well. They found ways to hit their signature stuff, but do so in new ways. For example, Seth went for a tope suicida, only for Nakamura to have it scouted and go to another side of the ring. Seth changed stride and went to hit it, but ran into a kick. This was littered with little moments like that. It felt like they had done their homework on one another. Both guys survived the finishers of the other, with Seth kicking out of the Kinshasa and Shinsuke getting a shoulder up on the Ripcord Knee. They had a dynamite closing stretch that saw Seth dodge the Kinshasa and win with the Curb Stomp in 21:26. The best Nakamura match since his debut against Sami Zayn. He felt like he put in a big effort and Seth was game, as always. Great back and forth, it never felt like it dragged, and it had a hot ending. [***¾]
WWE Raw Tag Team Champions AOP w/ Drake Maverick vs. WWE Smackdown Tag Team Champions The Bar w/ Big Show
I came in excited for this. Two brute tag teams beating on each other. We mostly got that. However, it was hard to fully pay attention to this. Former WWE wrestler Enzo Amore made a fool out of himself in the crowd and got ejected. Apparently, he was drunk and acting like a fool. Anyway, Drake Maverick saved AOP from a loss by interfering. He got chased away by Cesaro and ran into Big Show. As Show threatened him, Drake pissed himself (literally). AOP then stole the win and Raw went up 3-0 after 9:06. It was fine, but the finish fell way flat and it never clicked the way I wanted. [**]
WWE Cruiserweight Championship: Buddy Murphy [c] vs. Mustafa Ali
These guys have had one of the best rivalries of the year. Several ****+ bangers on 205 Live. Given them this big stage is fantastic. Their knowledge of one another was clear from the start. Neither man wanted to make that crucial first mistake. Things really picked up when Buddy launched Ali to the floor outside in brutal fashion. In fact, Ali took three huge bumps to the outside. His high risk style was proving to be just that. A risk. Yet, it’s kind of what he needs to match up against the “Juggernaut.” Ali took things up a notch with a Spanish Fly off the announce table. Still, it wasn’t enough to get past Murphy, who used a barrage of offense to retain in a wild 12:16. What else more is there to say about the cruiserweight division? It’s the best in wrestling. Another incredible match from these two. [****]
Team Raw Men (Bobby Lashley, Braun Strowman, Dolph Ziggler, Drew McIntyre and Finn Balor) w/ Baron Corbin and Lio Rush vs. Team Smackdown Men (Jeff Hardy, The Miz, Rey Mysterio, Samoa Joe, and Shane McMahon)
The 2016 version of this was stellar, but 2017’s was kind of a disaster. The main story early was McIntyre not being willing to take Braun’s orders. He tagged himself in at the start, escaped the Coquina Clutch, and used a Claymore to eliminate Joe in about two minutes. Joe is basically no longer a threat. Drew kept tagging himself in to defy Braun. Speaking of Braun, Team Smackdown jumped him and Shane elbowed him through the announce table. We were treated to a brilliant segment of Rey against Finn that led to Finn’s elimination. Give me a singles match between them. The next story was Miz getting a tired Shane to try big moves. He beat Dolph with the Coast to Coast and then captain Miz made him try another, only for Braun to return and swat him down. That set up Braun destroying everyone. Shane got left alone against Braun, Drew, and Lashley. There was no drama. Braun just easily won in 24:02. There were flashes of greatness in there, like the Finn/Rey battle. However, the Drew/Braun stuff went away late and it had a boring final stretch of just Braun dominating. [**¾]
Charlotte vs. WWE Raw Women’s Champion Ronda Rousey
I originally expected this to be the Mania main event. It was surprising that it didn’t even main event this show. Anyone who knows me knows that Charlotte ranks among my least favorite wrestlers in the world. But make no mistake, I know she’s good. Her week to week stuff lacks, but for big matches, she delivers. This was one of them. There was a level of intensity to this that was unmatched on the show. You’d think these two had a long rivalry. It felt like a fight and not just two people throwing out a collection of moves at one another. I saw some people complain about a few spots being sloppy late but I actually liked that. The match felt like a true struggle and when athletes get worn down, things aren’t going to be super crisp. It gave the match a more realistic feeling. At 14:10, from out of nowhere, Charlotte pulled out a kendo stick and hit Ronda for the DQ. A furious battle that was the best singles match of Ronda’s career to this point. Charlotte brought out her best for a big match. The post-match angle only helped add to make this special. [****¼]
That post-match angle saw Charlotte brutally assault Ronda. That included more kendo stick shots, the PILLMANIZER on Ronda’s throat, and Charlotte beating up referees. It was intense. The crowd was surprisingly unsympathetic, cheering and singing goodbye to Ronda.
WWE Universal Champion Brock Lesnar w/ Paul Heyman vs. WWE Champion Daniel Bryan
Daniel Bryan came out with a smug look like he was in complete control. Amazing. When the match started, he hit and moved like he did against Takeshi Morishima back in 2007. Then, Brock went into Brock mode. He dominated for the next eight or so minutes. He hit an F5 and could have won, but pulled Bryan up. It felt like it was just going to be another lazy Brock squash. The crowd hated it. I hated it. Then, the ref bump came. It was a case of a good ref bump, too. It opened the door for Bryan to hit a low blow and the Busaiku Knee. Though Brock survived, Bryan spent the rest of the match using his wits and speed to find brilliant ways to get the upper hand. They swept everyone up in the drama. Brock’s three weaknesses came into play, including the dick kick, steel steps, and ring posts. When Bryan put on the Yes Lock, the fans bought Brock possibly doing the unthinkable and tapping. Alas, he got free, powerbombed out of a triangle choke, and won with the F5 in 18:40. The first segment of Brock dominating went on way too long. I get what they were going for, but if you cut that back a bit, the whole match would be tighter. Either way, this was a banger and some of the best stuff Brock’s been a part of. [****¼]
Overall: 7.5/10. This show basically gave me what I expected in terms of quality. I figured all the matches would be good. Instead, we got two that didn’t deliver (Men’s tag and AOP/Bar), but a few that were fantastic (CW Title, Ronda/Charlotte and Brock/Bryan). Top to bottom, another really fun event from WWE’s main roster. They are consistently good, though there were some baffling booking decisions here. |
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Post by Rude Awakening on Nov 18, 2018 23:31:26 GMT -5
Shane is already teasing changes coming to SD on Twitter. So clearly it’s part of a story. I was about to say if he was gonna fire someone over the World Cup tournament I wonder how he feels when his whole roster gets swept |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 18, 2018 23:46:07 GMT -5
Not sure how anyone enjoyed that Brock/Bryan match. It followed the exact formula as Brock/AJ last year just not executed as well.
Brock did his typical dominating early, took a few bumps, then ended it with a quick F5. Same old s*** and a major reason as to why I have not watched a full episode of Raw since WM.
Overall a poor show and it’s still shocking how this company can put on a 5* show for NXT and the next night bomb the main roster PPV. Murphy/Ali, Rollins/Nak, and Rousey/Flair were all good to great but the rest of the card was pure trash.
Survivor Series the past two years has basically been Vince’s way of stamping his point that Raw is the dominant brand (atleast kayfabe wise). 2016 was such a great show that it’s a shame that 2017 and 2018 were such letdowns.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Nov 19, 2018 0:06:49 GMT -5
Great PPV. Any of you DB cucks who realistically believe a 140lb midget should even get any offense in on the BEAST INCARNATE are delusional. He got more offense in than Braun did or even Roman for that matter. If it was up to Brock he would have suplexed that troll right back to the bridge that he crawled out from. Overall ALL 5* matches except the Shinsuke/Rollins bore fest. Good job, now crawl back downstairs to your mom's basement keyboard warrior. All the "cucks" here would appriciate that👌 |
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