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Post by aggressiveperfector on Nov 19, 2018 12:54:53 GMT -5
I can’t get past what a bunch of hypocrites run this company. To put it in perspective, if a gust of WIND blows too hard on a wrestlers head, they’ll sideline said wrestler to “protect” them and then tell everybody how proactive they are about concussions, BUT a wrestler DELIBERATELY punching a top superstar in the head and concussing them ON PURPOSE, injuring them, and keeping them off a show that they were arguably the draw to...is reason to be rewarded. I must have missed the part where the fans who bought tickets to see Becky vs Ronda SHOULDNT be upset by this, as well as anybody who purchased WWE network just to see that match. It’s one thing to say “card is subject to change”, it’s another to rub the change in everybodies face, especially when somebody PURPOSEFULLY went into business for themselves and are being rewarded for it. So see guys, at any time, Rollins, or Ambrose should have just decked Roman Reigns in the face, hurting him, and then they’d be pushed because of it! Right!? Oh, that wouldn’t work with one of McMahons beloved? Of course not, they’d be fired for doing that. Nia can get away with it because, A) shes part of the right bloodline and B) McMahon is still upset that Lynch got over despite their best efforts to hold her down. So all this is funny to him. God FORBID if somebody did this to Roman. I’m sure it would be all funny then. I'm not going to agree with all of this, but you have a point about something. Check out Twitter now. Every woman and their mother are trying to become Becky Lynch. You have a bunch of NXT people (Dakota Kai springs to mine as she's going by the Kingslayer or Architect or another one of Seth's nicknames--an issue he tweeted about when he asked all the ladies to stop stealing his nicknames) talking big games now. They are taking something organic (Becky) and trying to replicate it with everyone (Charlotte, Dakota Kai) thinking it will work. If you carry it down a slippery slope, you're going to see a lot of faux injury angles (RONDA) to help try and get heat. I don't think any WWE or wrestling superstar is that stupid to think legit knocking out someone will help them get a push, but WWE will be doing storylines from thsi point forward that include a lot of aggression and a lot of "injuries" to try and get some crowd reaction out of the offending superstar. Problem: This is just going to be XPac heat in the end. If it's not organic, it's not going to work. I'm already tired of booing Nia. I'll boo her because she sucks, but not because she's a heel. That's the thing, I never trust this booking team to handle anything without ruining it. They've done it in almost EVERY INSTANCE for how many years now? They'll take something special and run it into the ground. This is what a bunch of failed comedy writers gets you. |
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 19, 2018 13:13:01 GMT -5
no, cena was booed because every feud he had for almost a decade was the same thing over and over again and he was culturally irrelevant. while lots of people had fun booing him most just stopped watching.  |
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Post by havoc7179 on Nov 19, 2018 13:31:03 GMT -5
I'm not going to agree with all of this, but you have a point about something. Check out Twitter now. Every woman and their mother are trying to become Becky Lynch. You have a bunch of NXT people (Dakota Kai springs to mine as she's going by the Kingslayer or Architect or another one of Seth's nicknames--an issue he tweeted about when he asked all the ladies to stop stealing his nicknames) talking big games now. They are taking something organic (Becky) and trying to replicate it with everyone (Charlotte, Dakota Kai) thinking it will work. If you carry it down a slippery slope, you're going to see a lot of faux injury angles (RONDA) to help try and get heat. I don't think any WWE or wrestling superstar is that stupid to think legit knocking out someone will help them get a push, but WWE will be doing storylines from thsi point forward that include a lot of aggression and a lot of "injuries" to try and get some crowd reaction out of the offending superstar. Problem: This is just going to be XPac heat in the end. If it's not organic, it's not going to work. I'm already tired of booing Nia. I'll boo her because she sucks, but not because she's a heel. What are ya talking about? Dakota Kai has always been a traitor. Can't trust her in GTA V races. I don't follow the chronicles of UP UP DOWN DOWN. |
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Nov 19, 2018 13:53:51 GMT -5
Why does Ronda always cosplay Bull Nakano?
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Post by Chip on Nov 19, 2018 14:12:49 GMT -5
main event was something, that first german Bryan took i legitimately thought he was done. that was brutal. i didnt understand the booking of turning Bryan heel on Tuesday, having him come out full heel for the match, but play it up like the biggest babyface underdog in history, nearly tapping Lesnar, etc. i just spent the night confused at everything. Drew looks like a  ing chump in the SS match, Braun is the hero, Corbin literally served no purpose, Shane was the last man standing on the SD team because? and Miz all of a sudden is Team Shane? there was literally zero follow up to that stupid tournament. and i think i heard the phrase "dream matchup" like 15 times....when is this company just going to settle the down with the overselling? i was mostly entertained, but it really felt like a cluster of wrestling booking. i just hope we can move on and try to get some things going now. |
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Nov 19, 2018 14:33:14 GMT -5
Awful crowd, but good show, SS match sucked booking wise, nice main event. Staples Center doesn't deserve a major PPV anymore. HIAC being held there was enough.
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Nov 19, 2018 14:58:07 GMT -5
main event was something, that first german Bryan took i legitimately thought he was done. that was brutal. i didnt understand the booking of turning Bryan heel on Tuesday, having him come out full heel for the match, but play it up like the biggest babyface underdog in history, nearly tapping Lesnar, etc. i just spent the night confused at everything. Drew looks like a ing chump in the SS match, Braun is the hero, Corbin literally served no purpose, Shane was the last man standing on the SD team because? and Miz all of a sudden is Team Shane? there was literally zero follow up to that stupid tournament. and i think i heard the phrase "dream matchup" like 15 times....when is this company just going to settle the down with the overselling? i was mostly entertained, but it really felt like a cluster of wrestling booking. i just hope we can move on and try to get some things going now. Cole used dream match to describe two matches that had already happened under the WWE umbrella (Asuka/Mickie, Sasha/Asuka) |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Nov 19, 2018 15:44:17 GMT -5
main event was something, that first german Bryan took i legitimately thought he was done. that was brutal. i didnt understand the booking of turning Bryan heel on Tuesday, having him come out full heel for the match, but play it up like the biggest babyface underdog in history, nearly tapping Lesnar, etc. i just spent the night confused at everything. Drew looks like a ing chump in the SS match, Braun is the hero, Corbin literally served no purpose, Shane was the last man standing on the SD team because? and Miz all of a sudden is Team Shane? there was literally zero follow up to that stupid tournament. and i think i heard the phrase "dream matchup" like 15 times....when is this company just going to settle the down with the overselling? i was mostly entertained, but it really felt like a cluster of wrestling booking. i just hope we can move on and try to get some things going now. I’m guessing there’s a plan for most of what we saw. I going to assume most of the show was just storyline progression to change up Smackdown and turn Shane heel. Charlotte’s change puts her fully on the same page with Becky, and lends itself to a future horsewomen storyline. I’m struggling to come up with Bryan’s deal. Other than the fact that that Tuesday he went full fledged heel, but Sunday he played the face because it’s Survivor series, and the roles don’t particularly matter for this show. If DB had been heel for a month I don’t think we would be as confused right now. |
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Post by winxclubflora on Nov 19, 2018 15:58:25 GMT -5
Samoa Joe, please go to Lucha Underground. WWE is ing you up big time. 😑 |
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Post by punksnotdead on Nov 19, 2018 16:11:34 GMT -5
Awful crowd, but good show, SS match sucked booking wise, nice main event. Staples Center doesn't deserve a major PPV anymore. HIAC being held there was enough. Nobody talks about this enough. They got SummerSlam year-over-year and the crowds were always trash. Nothing has changed. I get that it's a big market that pulls from multiple in-state cities but man do they usually suck as an audience. I guess I'd rather have no reactions over the crowd acting like a bag of d*cks like they did during that Rollins/Ziggler match, but quality crowd participation is trending downward along with the ratings. |
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Post by Kanenite on Nov 19, 2018 16:16:01 GMT -5
Lesnar/Bryan was pretty fun and I liked Bryan's odd attitude with all the smiling during the whole thing (and thank goodness he ditched the ugly Green/Blue colors for the Black/Red/White). Wish Bryan won as Lesnar winning is so predictable yet still manages to kill the crowd's excitement.
The CW title bout, and Seth/Nakamura were decent.
The rest was pretty lackluster. Not sure how I feel about them trying to make Charlotte act like Becky did at Summerslam. Her Spear was nice though!
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Nov 19, 2018 16:44:49 GMT -5
I can’t get past what a bunch of hypocrites run this company. To put it in perspective, if a gust of WIND blows too hard on a wrestlers head, they’ll sideline said wrestler to “protect” them and then tell everybody how proactive they are about concussions, BUT a wrestler DELIBERATELY punching a top superstar in the head and concussing them ON PURPOSE, injuring them, and keeping them off a show that they were arguably the draw to...is reason to be rewarded. I must have missed the part where the fans who bought tickets to see Becky vs Ronda SHOULDNT be upset by this, as well as anybody who purchased WWE network just to see that match. It’s one thing to say “card is subject to change”, it’s another to rub the change in everybodies face, especially when somebody PURPOSEFULLY went into business for themselves and are being rewarded for it. So see guys, at any time, Rollins, or Ambrose should have just decked Roman Reigns in the face, hurting him, and then they’d be pushed because of it! Right!? Oh, that wouldn’t work with one of McMahons beloved? Of course not, they’d be fired for doing that. Nia can get away with it because, A) shes part of the right bloodline and B) McMahon is still upset that Lynch got over despite their best efforts to hold her down. So all this is funny to him. God FORBID if somebody did this to Roman. I’m sure it would be all funny then. Not to get in the way of an angsty outburst, but your rant holds no water because Seth Rollins broke John Cena's face and was not punished for it. They made t-shirts celebrating it. They even made an action figure two-pack of them with the Seth figure in the t-shirt. Turning injuries into storylines and gimmicks is nothing new in wrestling. Owen Hart and Steve Austin ("Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck"), Chris Benoit "crippling" Sabu, even that storyline where Billy Kidman was scared of doing the SSP after he concussed Chavo by botching it. |
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Nov 19, 2018 16:46:55 GMT -5
Awful crowd, but good show, SS match sucked booking wise, nice main event. Staples Center doesn't deserve a major PPV anymore. HIAC being held there was enough. 100% agree, their crowds are whack. |
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Post by ahunter8056 on Nov 19, 2018 17:53:28 GMT -5
- Opening Survivor Series Women's match was okay, nothing special. I really didn't like how they had things happen on the Kick-Off show that affected the main show, but didn't bother to show it during the main show and just assumed everyone watched the Kick-Off. They should have at least had a short, concise replay. I was really surprised that they had Nia Jax be the sole survivor. I love how bold they went with the booking of that match, trying to capitalise on as much heat on Nia as possible. One thing that did surprise me was that Sasha got such a strong reaction, not heard that in a while. If I were booking RAW, I'd have Ronda VS Nia for the title on RAW, have Sasha cost Nia as retribution. Then have Sasha feud with Nia, Nia puts Sasha over, and Sasha starts getting built up as a star again. That's just how I'd do it, felt like doing a bit of fantasy booking there.
- Seth VS Shinsuke was a big letdown for me. I was expecting a really great match, but it felt really drawn out and dull to me. I think they missed a beat by not having Dean Ambrose involved in any way, whether that was costing Seth or just attacking Seth after the match.
- I skipped AoP VS The Bar.
- I skipped Murphy VS Mustafa Ali.
- I'm really excited for Lars Sullivan on the main roster. Might make me more inclined to keep up to date with the main roster.
- Survivor Series Men's match was solid. They made Finn look like crap though. If he was going to take out McIntyre, they could have at least had him have one elimination to look like it was worth it. Instead he just looked like a bit of prat.
- Ronda VS Charlotte was AMAZING! That was the kind of match that wouldn't have looked out of place on NXT. Charlotte's "heel" turn was about time. Really intrigued as to where Charlotte goes after this.
- I watched the first few minutes of Lesnar VS Bryan, but skipped to the end once it became painfully clear that it was a standard Lesnar squash match. Like the fans were chanting, "same old shit".
A couple of final notes:
- R-Truth was the MVP of Survivor Series. Every segment he appeared in was hilarious!
- The clean sweep for RAW was BS. Why on earth would RAW win every single match? Why wasn't SmackDown Live given a single victory? I just don't get why they booked it this way.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Nov 19, 2018 18:00:53 GMT -5
I can’t get past what a bunch of hypocrites run this company. To put it in perspective, if a gust of WIND blows too hard on a wrestlers head, they’ll sideline said wrestler to “protect” them and then tell everybody how proactive they are about concussions, BUT a wrestler DELIBERATELY punching a top superstar in the head and concussing them ON PURPOSE, injuring them, and keeping them off a show that they were arguably the draw to...is reason to be rewarded. I must have missed the part where the fans who bought tickets to see Becky vs Ronda SHOULDNT be upset by this, as well as anybody who purchased WWE network just to see that match. It’s one thing to say “card is subject to change”, it’s another to rub the change in everybodies face, especially when somebody PURPOSEFULLY went into business for themselves and are being rewarded for it. So see guys, at any time, Rollins, or Ambrose should have just decked Roman Reigns in the face, hurting him, and then they’d be pushed because of it! Right!? Oh, that wouldn’t work with one of McMahons beloved? Of course not, they’d be fired for doing that. Nia can get away with it because, A) shes part of the right bloodline and B) McMahon is still upset that Lynch got over despite their best efforts to hold her down. So all this is funny to him. God FORBID if somebody did this to Roman. I’m sure it would be all funny then. Not to get in the way of an angsty outburst, but your rant holds no water because Seth Rollins broke John Cena's face and was not punished for it. They made t-shirts celebrating it. They even made an action figure two-pack of them with the Seth figure in the t-shirt. Turning injuries into storylines and gimmicks is nothing new in wrestling. Owen Hart and Steve Austin ("Owen 3:16 says I just broke your neck"), Chris Benoit "crippling" Sabu, even that storyline where Billy Kidman was scared of doing the SSP after he concussed Chavo by botching it. Seth pretty clearly botched. I firmly believe Nia did what she meant to do. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Nov 19, 2018 18:32:50 GMT -5
Verne Gagne pushed Greg Gagne to the moon. Very "meh".
Eddie Graham pushed Mike Graham to the moon. No one cared.
Bill Watts pushed Erik Watts to the moon. No one cared.
Vince McMahon pushes his son to the edge of the universe and makes him a nearly indestructible spot monkey that makes a lot of wrestlers look weak.
No wonder I stopped watching.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 19, 2018 19:11:55 GMT -5
Bryan/Lesnar and R Truth were the highlights for me. Also loved the beat down from Charlotte to Ronda.
But man SD really got raped for real...
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Nov 19, 2018 19:13:58 GMT -5
Lol @ the crowd once Joe got eliminated that f*cking quick, wtf was WWE thinking with that move?!!?
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Post by RuthlessFigs on Nov 19, 2018 19:48:56 GMT -5
Lol @ the crowd once Joe got eliminated that f*cking quick, wtf was WWE thinking with that move?!!? That was honestly the worst thing about the whole show, Joe still had some shred of credibility after the 10'000 losses to AJ but i think this just killed that. It's almost like he's getting the Kassius Ohno treatment now. If there was one positive from this, it's that he was eliminated by Drew, someone who could believably eliminate Joe that quick, if it was someone like Balor or Ziggler it would've looked bad. Even Strowman would have just been bleh. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Nov 19, 2018 20:42:42 GMT -5
Lol @ the crowd once Joe got eliminated that f*cking quick, wtf was WWE thinking with that move?!!? That was honestly the worst thing about the whole show, Joe still had some shred of credibility after the 10'000 losses to AJ but i think this just killed that. It's almost like he's getting the Kassius Ohno treatment now. If there was one positive from this, it's that he was eliminated by Drew, someone who could believably eliminate Joe that quick, if it was someone like Balor or Ziggler it would've looked bad. Even Strowman would have just been bleh. I’ve been a Joe fan for over a decade and can’t believe he’s booked as low as he is now. Not even TNA booked him this bad and they mis-used him pretty bad as well at times. I get it was Drew who eliminated him but anyone getting eliminated a minute into a match, no matter who it is or by who, is not seen as a credible star by the higher ups. Sadly Joe looks to be moving into the “good veteran hand who puts over others” role. Rumor is that he’s nursing a knee injury. If that’s the case why the hell did they even put him in the match? They could have put someone like R-Truth in that role and could have had the same effect without killing anyone. |
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