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Post by PJ on Dec 11, 2018 19:07:46 GMT -5
I think it’s just like SD but an hour longer. I dvd both shows and watch them the following morning.That said with both shows there's things I like and then there’s things I end up fast forwarding through because I don’t care for them or I wasn’t finding the segment entertaining. But like marino13 said RAW is dealing with so many injuries to majors players. And I have no problem with Corbin or Slater being a referee.
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Post by DeadHeadKing on Dec 11, 2018 20:12:38 GMT -5
Conspiracy Theory alert!
This is a little out there but hear me out.
I think that Vince and the writers are making RAW suck on purpose! I think the WWE and FOX have a secret deal to bring RAW to Fox. So Vince is making RAW suck so it can force NBC Universal to cancel RAW and end the contract with WWE so that they can move RAW over to FOX.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 11, 2018 23:59:18 GMT -5
The Seth vs. Dean feud has been pretty lame and boring. Not as great as I thought it would be, when it should the feud of the show much like Jericho vs. Michaels was in 2008.
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Post by IRS on Dec 12, 2018 3:57:15 GMT -5
Conspiracy Theory alert! This is a little out there but hear me out. I think that Vince and the writers are making RAW suck on purpose! I think the WWE and FOX have a secret deal to bring RAW to Fox. So Vince is making RAW suck so it can force NBC Universal to cancel RAW and end the contract with WWE so that they can move RAW over to FOX. They literally just renewed the contract for RAW with NBCU. Why wouldn't they have just, y'know, signed with FOX then?
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 12, 2018 8:21:56 GMT -5
Conspiracy Theory alert! This is a little out there but hear me out. I think that Vince and the writers are making RAW suck on purpose! I think the WWE and FOX have a secret deal to bring RAW to Fox. So Vince is making RAW suck so it can force NBC Universal to cancel RAW and end the contract with WWE so that they can move RAW over to FOX. You're not giving yourself enough credit. This is a lot out there. Contracts are a shoot, brother.
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Post by Rated [R] NinJa on Dec 12, 2018 9:26:49 GMT -5
I genuinely struggled to get through an hour last and this week. I think I’m I’m gonna take a break from wrestling minus PPVs till the Royal Rumble.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 12, 2018 12:28:59 GMT -5
I caught the main event on Monday because the football game was horrible and I thought Rollins vs Corbin was great. I can't watch the show start to finish anymore. I'm fine checking in and out or just watching highlights on Facebook. I'm really just a PPV watcher at this point.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on Dec 12, 2018 14:30:51 GMT -5
I think the show is down right terrible. Vince Mcmahon's love of the rest of the entertainment industry has become an albatross on his wrestling shows. He's got wrestlers in long winded "acting" scripts. It doesn't look natural, and it doesn't work. He doesn't care.
Vince Mcmahon and Kevin Dunn have constantly changed the nature of their shows, and now it's literally a scripted episodic TV series. Too bad wrestlers aren't very good in that environment, live at least.
Look at the last 20 year's of his TV and tell me Vince Mcmahon is a creative genius. He's a brilliant promoter and businessman, but creatively he's terrible. Really makes you wonder how much guys like Pat Patterson carried the wrestling side of things.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 14:46:29 GMT -5
I find myself fast-forwarding through a lot of it.
Nia Jax is just terrible at promos and "wrestling." They give a lot of the female superstars TV time that they really shouldn't.
Corbin was uninteresting as a wrestler and he still is as this current schtick we've seen before. Stop with the corrupted authority angle. It's beat.
Those are just my main knocks on it though -- it's bad through and through other than a few guys that can work.
The direction and writing is just bad and inconsistent.
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Post by hbkowns on Dec 12, 2018 18:16:04 GMT -5
They’re still using tropes and storylines that are 5-6 years old. Purposefully underutilizing popular wrestlers to stick it to the fans. No more authority angles, no more Stephanie McMahon, no more lame corny urination storylines. No more Brock Lesnar, and please, don’t ever give Nia Jax a microphone again, ever. Of course ratings are going to be generally low because of how things are today. But for the ratings to dip under 2.0, which it seems like it’s heading, is completely embarrassing. If you’re product was must-see and actually decent, it wouldn’t be dropping week by week. You can’t tell me there’s no correlation between decreased ratings and the show being the sh*ts.
I understand that ratings don’t mean nearly as much anymore. But if they dip extremely low, you can’t tell me that NBC Universal isn’t going to turn their heads and question what’s going on, then renegotiate at the bargaining table when their current contract is up.
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Post by Daredevil on Dec 12, 2018 20:11:37 GMT -5
I'd rather watch Iron Fist for 24 hours straight than an hour of RAW. Should say a lot.
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Post by TheChamp420 on Dec 12, 2018 22:52:26 GMT -5
Literally just fast forward threw everything except Ambrose & Rollins, and I love both those guys, but I liked Dean as quirky scrappy underdog face way better, so even that story is hard to be into
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Post by tylerbreezee on Dec 12, 2018 23:36:36 GMT -5
Absolute trash.
The wrongs: - Rematches every week - Backstage promos used to push feuds versus actual confrontation is at an all time high - Consistency - The overall roles that so many talented superstars are in - 50/50 booking - Bad promos - Bad storylines in general - Nia Jax - The use of the women
I don’t wanna rant because nobody is even listening.
Smackdown hasn’t been that great since early 2017 yet it’s still 5 laps ahead of Raw, which just shows how bad the product is.
I’ve seen some writers say that “it’s not as easy as it looks”. Um actually it is if you’re a good writer. You just aren’t. Most likely you’re what’s affordable or you’re an ex superstar. These people most likely aren’t professional writers.
I can see writing a promo as hard, I’ll admit that, but general storylines and what happens are not hard to come up with nor is a general layout for Raw itself.
Why did Raw end with Ambrose and Rollins just staring at each other? Why couldn’t they have Dean attack Rollins, put him through a table, grab the title and climb the ladder while holding it up? The little things like that can make the product more interesting.
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Post by sonstuds on Dec 13, 2018 0:24:41 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up on it. When Owens got injured I half joked that my interest in Raw left with him, and damn if that didn't happen (not that he was used well to begin with).
Smackdown I enjoy quite a bit though.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Dec 13, 2018 2:02:28 GMT -5
Raw hasn't been good for a very long time. There is not one person on Raw that nobody can really get behind in believing in them. Sure people hated Cena and Roman, but at least there were some in the crowd that cared about them. Who do you have as a great baby face now? Rollins? He doesn't have the charisma to make anyone care too much about him. Elias? I think he's bland and not exciting to watch. Brawn? You can only make the guy look weak when it comes to the big one for so long until people stop caring all together. Ok, Brawn FINALLY wins the Universal Title. Do you really care? It's like when Bray won the world title. Too little, too late. I don't like hot shotting titles, but, they really should have pulled the trigger long ago on Brawn. There are just no hero's on Raw that anyone can care about. Rollins doesn't have the charisma to make anyone care? Who are you watching? Open your ears next time his entrance them plays, he consistently gets the LOUDEST pop of anyone every single night, whether has competing or in a promo segment. People are behind him, they had been. It's up to the WWE on whether or not they will pull the trigger and possibly go through with the mania "rumor" and have him take the strap off Brock.
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Post by TKO Propagandist on Dec 13, 2018 3:27:48 GMT -5
Made me tune out for the first time since 2016. Smackdown is no better with the awful handling of Daniel Bryan
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Post by marklud on Dec 13, 2018 4:00:34 GMT -5
Haven't sat down and watched Raw in well over a year. Totally unwatchable. They have Top 10 in the world talent like Ricochet, WALTER and Io Shirai actually under contract while BARON FREAKING CORBIN is the featured player on Raw. It's embarrassing. If I flip over for a minute or two I'm completely turned off by the production/writing/shaky camera shots/same cookie-cutter matches. I hope the ratings keep plummeting so they'll finally make some big changes.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Dec 13, 2018 10:20:48 GMT -5
Raw hasn't been good for a very long time. There is not one person on Raw that nobody can really get behind in believing in them. Sure people hated Cena and Roman, but at least there were some in the crowd that cared about them. Who do you have as a great baby face now? Rollins? He doesn't have the charisma to make anyone care too much about him. Elias? I think he's bland and not exciting to watch. Brawn? You can only make the guy look weak when it comes to the big one for so long until people stop caring all together. Ok, Brawn FINALLY wins the Universal Title. Do you really care? It's like when Bray won the world title. Too little, too late. I don't like hot shotting titles, but, they really should have pulled the trigger long ago on Brawn. There are just no hero's on Raw that anyone can care about. Rollins doesn't have the charisma to make anyone care? Who are you watching? Open your ears next time his entrance them plays, he consistently gets the LOUDEST pop of anyone every single night, whether has competing or in a promo segment. People are behind him, they had been. It's up to the WWE on whether or not they will pull the trigger and possibly go through with the mania "rumor" and have him take the strap off Brock. I'm watching a guy who is horrible at promos, has sub-par wrestling skills, and if THAT'S the only guy the audience can get behind? Well then the WWE is in serious trouble.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 13, 2018 11:02:47 GMT -5
I'm assuming RAW writers are different from SDL cause raws completely ignored the fans/fans reactions and just gives you what they want you to have. Nobody wants Brock as universal champ, nobody wants seth holding a mid-card title, nobody even cares about the tag division any more. Most are already tired of Ronda, sorry she isnt a draw. Yet SD gives us Bryan-Styles feud which many fans dreamed of. Guys like Joe, Nakamura are all right there in the main spotlight, not over used but not under used.....tag titles, well nobody still cares and they saw the reaction to Becky and shes been pushed to the moon.
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Post by walkingturtles on Dec 13, 2018 22:32:24 GMT -5
I think the show is down right terrible. Vince Mcmahon's love of the rest of the entertainment industry has become an albatross on his wrestling shows. He's got wrestlers in long winded "acting" scripts. It doesn't look natural, and it doesn't work. He doesn't care. Vince Mcmahon and Kevin Dunn have constantly changed the nature of their shows, and now it's literally a scripted episodic TV series. Too bad wrestlers aren't very good in that environment, live at least. Look at the last 20 year's of his TV and tell me Vince Mcmahon is a creative genius. He's a brilliant promoter and businessman, but creatively he's terrible. Really makes you wonder how much guys like Pat Patterson carried the wrestling side of things. This is unquestionably accurate. Vince was a visionary and his time was the 80s. The structure of wrestling and the creation of wrestling Super Bowls and national TV while launching a platform and blueprint on how to market and promote talent was the best. However you saw issues with the product throughout the 90s creatively and building new stars. Remember he bought up experienced talent and then put his promotion machine behind them. Company was on the verge of going under and Vince let go and let the talent get over and it worked. Couple with Vince being able to be a top heel for his company on screen. Vince has been out of touch creatively since the 80s but his excellent work as a talent in the 90s helped cover stuff up. At this point he’s done.
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