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Post by ahunter8056 on Apr 18, 2019 10:37:38 GMT -5
Heard a lot of praise about this series from John Blud of newLEGACYinc. Looking forward to watching when they're made available in the UK.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2019 23:22:55 GMT -5
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the Montreal episode. I understand there's a lot of Russo vs Cornette talk there.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 27, 2019 0:47:44 GMT -5
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the Montreal episode. I understand there's a lot of Russo vs Cornette talk there.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. Cornette really has some real issues with how he can't get over Vince Russo. I like Jim Cornette, but how can he say Russo was a bad writer for the WWE?? Look at the Attitude Era, it did amazing ratings and was fun to watch every week. I think that is what bothers Cornette the most, is that Russo's crazy ideas he sold to McMahon were used and that they worked.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 10:00:25 GMT -5
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the Montreal episode. I understand there's a lot of Russo vs Cornette talk there.
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. Cornette really has some real issues with how he can't get over Vince Russo. I like Jim Cornette, but how can he say Russo was a bad writer for the WWE?? Look at the Attitude Era, it did amazing ratings and was fun to watch every week. I think that is what bothers Cornette the most, is that Russo's crazy ideas he sold to McMahon were used and that they worked.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 27, 2019 12:46:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. Cornette really has some real issues with how he can't get over Vince Russo. I like Jim Cornette, but how can he say Russo was a bad writer for the WWE?? Look at the Attitude Era, it did amazing ratings and was fun to watch every week. I think that is what bothers Cornette the most, is that Russo's crazy ideas he sold to McMahon were used and that they worked.
Ok but what happened in wcw with Russo?
Nothing. I didn't mind WCW when Russo was booking it. WCW was already so far down in the ratings that it didn't matter who booked then, the WWF was gonna win. They were on fire, had all the big stars, it was just 'cool' to watch WWF Monday Night Raw then. Watching WCW wasn't cool.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2019 13:09:08 GMT -5
Ok but what happened in wcw with Russo?
Nothing. I didn't mind WCW when Russo was booking it. WCW was already so far down in the ratings that it didn't matter who booked then, the WWF was gonna win. They were on fire, had all the big stars, it was just 'cool' to watch WWF Monday Night Raw then. Watching WCW wasn't cool.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 27, 2019 13:33:52 GMT -5
I haven't gotten a chance to watch the Montreal episode. I understand there's a lot of Russo vs Cornette talk there. Yeah, I wasn't a fan of that. Cornette really has some real issues with how he can't get over Vince Russo. I like Jim Cornette, but how can he say Russo was a bad writer for the WWE?? Look at the Attitude Era, it did amazing ratings and was fun to watch every week. I think that is what bothers Cornette the most, is that Russo's crazy ideas he sold to McMahon were used and that they worked. Ehhhh Cornette is mostly right. Russo did have a lot of bad ideas. I don't think Cornette is mad that Russo had success, he's mad at the cost, or the cost he believes that came with it. A lot of stuff was hot shotted by Russo and they were going to burn out eventually. Russo had no plan for the future and literally assumed that business would never go down. Vince Russo is somewhat like George Lucas to me. Spouting crazy ideas that are fine so long as he has a filter. Lucas had Spielberg for Indiana Jones and producers/his wife for Star Wars, similar to Russo having McMahon in WWF. Later in WCW and the Star Wars prequels, without a filter Russo and Lucas produced crap. Not only that but in his book, Russo practically tries to take credit for anything hot in the Attitude era. He even tried to claim that he gave The Rock the eyebrow and speaking in third person and tries to discredit anyone else having worked on anything in the Attitude Era, insisting it was all 100% him and no one else. Russo thinks Ultimate Warrior is a misunderstood genius somehow. I refute the point that WWF was winning simply because of trends or fads. The audience wasn't connecting with the WWF New Generation and the nWo was cutting edge for North American audiences. Likewise, Austin and Rock are once in a generation talents and were on fire in WWF whereas Russo had the WCW championship vacant more than he had it on a wrestler. It wasn't a question of coolness. Cornette definitely probably shouldn't have this much hate for Russo still (I think that much hate is unhealthy), but I understand it. Keep in mind wrestling is and always has been a way of life to Corny whereas Russo views it as a joke. Cornette takes that as disrespect. They're also opposition on the political scale with Cornette being a staunch liberal democrat and Russo being a religious Republican. They're just oil and water in so many ways. Given the fact that Russo is nearly universally blacklisted everywhere I'd go out on a limb and say Cornette isn't unfounded in his high amount of rage for Russo. I also find it humorous that Russo thinks Cornette is stuck in the old school while Russo clearly thinks we live in a constant 1998 centric world that's still dominated by Jerry Springer. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 28, 2019 11:34:25 GMT -5
Nothing. I didn't mind WCW when Russo was booking it. WCW was already so far down in the ratings that it didn't matter who booked then, the WWF was gonna win. They were on fire, had all the big stars, it was just 'cool' to watch WWF Monday Night Raw then. Watching WCW wasn't cool.
Why couldn't Russo turn things around in wcw like he did in wwe if he was so good?
The same could be said of Jim Cornette with Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
If Cornette had such great ideas, why didn't it last longer than four years??
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 15:43:34 GMT -5
Why couldn't Russo turn things around in wcw like he did in wwe if he was so good?
The same could be said of Jim Cornette with Smoky Mountain Wrestling.
If Cornette had such great ideas, why didn't it last longer than four years??
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 28, 2019 17:47:05 GMT -5
The same could be said of Jim Cornette with Smoky Mountain Wrestling. If Cornette had such great ideas, why didn't it last longer than four years?? I asked first:) Smokey Mountain was a small scale regional promotion. Cornette would never have wanted to go national. He also didn't have major stars consistently. Russo had Hogan, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Jeff Jarrett, Goldberg, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Sting and DDP and he still booked himself as champion and his buddy as Oaklahoma. He also had a much bigger financial backing. Smokey Mountain is viewed as a hidden gem a lot whereas Russo's WCW is nearly universally seen as a laughing stock. Cornette couldn't keep his promotion going, no, but he also wasn't a total embarrassment given the scale he was working in. Cornette also doesn't claim to be the only driving force behind wrestling's biggest boom period. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 20:38:06 GMT -5
I was going to have him answer my question first, but thanks for answering his before I did:)
SMW is a lot like ecw in that the companies didn't go under because of bad creative direction.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 20:40:10 GMT -5
Let me add Cornette's booking in OVW was awesome, especially in 2003. While Russo was making a joke out of TNA. Sports Entertainment Xtreme? Come on!
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 28, 2019 21:20:22 GMT -5
Im gonna say it, and not just cause it was literally in my backyard but from 1992-1995 SMW was the best wrestling show on TV.
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Post by K5 on Apr 28, 2019 23:37:44 GMT -5
yes, smw is great.
yes, Russo sucks.
I didn’t like cornette or Russo clogging up the episode though. to think they both try to claim that they came up with the screw job makes me think lower of both of them, even if cornette didn’t think they’d actually pull it.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 29, 2019 21:24:44 GMT -5
Those who have laid claim to the Screwjob...
Vince McMahon
Triple H
Shawn Michaels
Jim Cornette
Vince Russo
Those who should be held accountable for the Screwjob?
Bret Hart cause Bret screwed Bret
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Apr 29, 2019 22:06:28 GMT -5
Those who have laid claim to the Screwjob... Vince McMahon Triple H Shawn Michaels Jim Cornette Vince Russo Those who should be held accountable for the Screwjob? Bret Hart cause Bret screwed Bret How did "Bret screw Bret" when he was well within his legal right to choose to not lose to HBK? |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Apr 30, 2019 6:56:22 GMT -5
Those who have laid claim to the Screwjob... Vince McMahon Triple H Shawn Michaels Jim Cornette Vince Russo Those who should be held accountable for the Screwjob? Bret Hart cause Bret screwed Bret How did "Bret screw Bret" when he was well within his legal right to choose to not lose to HBK? He didn’t do his job thus Montreal. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Apr 30, 2019 10:13:41 GMT -5
How did "Bret screw Bret" when he was well within his legal right to choose to not lose to HBK? He didn’t do his job thus Montreal. But he didnt have to if he didnt want to. It was part of his contract. |
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Post by Hulkster2001 on Apr 30, 2019 10:18:54 GMT -5
He didn’t do his job thus Montreal. But he didnt have to if he didnt want to. It was part of his contract. He could’ve been a man and just suck it up but his ego just couldn’t let him lose to Shawn in Canada. |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Apr 30, 2019 10:45:22 GMT -5
But he didnt have to if he didnt want to. It was part of his contract. He could’ve been a man and just suck it up but his ego just couldn’t let him lose to Shawn in Canada. He could have, but he didnt have to. |
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