Kasper.ca
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Post by Kasper.ca on Jul 13, 2019 12:25:01 GMT -5
Now if someone has a choice between a MOC WWF HABRO Red Card Bret Hart for example in great condition, or the same MOC WWF HASBRO Red Card Bret Hart encased with an AFA 90 grade...........which would you prefer in your collection? Honest now? 100% ungraded. I'm not paying triple the average price just because some random guy puts a sticker and a number on it. We're not talking certification or authentication here...
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 14, 2019 14:37:39 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of grading for anything bar comics
The reason being that's become an art where there is a widely used recognised and understood scale.
3 graders all see the same comic in the same condition and they'll give it (with the exception of maybe 0.01 of a point) the same grade
Figures, computer games etc all too new forbitvyoo be accurate enough
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Post by bootan on Jul 16, 2019 3:16:50 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of grading for anything bar comics The reason being that's become an art where there is a widely used recognised and understood scale. 3 graders all see the same comic in the same condition and they'll give it (with the exception of maybe 0.01 of a point) the same grade Figures, computer games etc all too new forbitvyoo be accurate enough Take actually paying for it out of the equation. Hypothetically then - you win first prize, your choice is a graded AFA 90 version of Bret Hart or a mint looking ungraded one. Which one do you pick? the choice is easy
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Post by tibbo on Jul 16, 2019 6:14:59 GMT -5
I'd pick the mint looking ungraded one, because I trust my own knowledge of the product line a lot more than I do any grading company, and I also wouldn't want a figure that was stuck inside an acrylic brick for eternity. What would you rather have, a mint (in your opinion) Santana + Martel, or the 90 graded 'Strike Force' figures on the previous page?
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Post by habrofan83 on Jul 16, 2019 9:47:43 GMT -5
More fool the people who pay to be graded or the extra to buy a graded figure. I know the condition of my figures already by looking at the damn things!
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 16, 2019 10:40:00 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of grading for anything bar comics The reason being that's become an art where there is a widely used recognised and understood scale. 3 graders all see the same comic in the same condition and they'll give it (with the exception of maybe 0.01 of a point) the same grade Figures, computer games etc all too new forbitvyoo be accurate enough Take actually paying for it out of the equation. Hypothetically then - you win first prize, your choice is a graded AFA 90 version of Bret Hart or a mint looking ungraded one. Which one do you pick? the choice is easy Me personally, wrong person to ask because I play with my toys with my kids do if I got a graded one I'd open and play with it. In a firm believer toys are to be played with and enjoyed by kids no mater hiebold or 'valuable' the toy
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Post by newgenandy on Jul 16, 2019 10:40:11 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of grading for anything bar comics The reason being that's become an art where there is a widely used recognised and understood scale. 3 graders all see the same comic in the same condition and they'll give it (with the exception of maybe 0.01 of a point) the same grade Figures, computer games etc all too new forbitvyoo be accurate enough Take actually paying for it out of the equation. Hypothetically then - you win first prize, your choice is a graded AFA 90 version of Bret Hart or a mint looking ungraded one. Which one do you pick? the choice is easy Me personally, wrong person to ask because I play with my toys with my kids do if I got a graded one I'd open and play with it. In a firm believer toys are to be played with and enjoyed by kids no mater how old or 'valuable' the toy
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Post by Has_Got_Bros on Jul 16, 2019 10:42:53 GMT -5
I can undertand why collectors are against grading mainly due to the ‘expertise’ knowledge from the graders themselfs whom may not be any more knowledgeable then collectors .
For me it’s more to authenticate items and to have them cased /protected as I am a loose collector. I wouldn’t spend a ridiculous amount to have them all cased but have had my mailaways and funskools graded .
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Post by The_Figure_Federation on Nov 18, 2019 15:49:13 GMT -5
From my point of view I like graded for two reasons 1. For more expensive figures you know exactly condition figure you are getting and it can’t get further damaged
2. It keeps them safe (I know you can get cases which cost a lot less)
Just my opinion. In my opinion you should get your most treasured pieces graded.
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Post by tibbo on Nov 19, 2019 5:40:39 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with the lack of knowledge that many of the grading companies have, and also the damage which they caused to the Star Wars collecting community will be fully aware of why grading is a complete waste of time.
Essentially, when they stopped production of the Star Wars figures, the factories sold-off all of the remaining card-backs which had been produced but never had a figure applied to them. They were purchased by a collector, who also bought a ton of 2nd-hand figures, then re-sealed them onto the new cards, and got them graded. Because the grading companies are utterly incompetent, they graded all of these re-sealed figures as essentially mint new figures. By the time collectors began to realise what had happened, many of the figures had already been sold for a premium and added to collections, when really their value is only that of a standard loose figure.
So beware, you might think that perspex is protecting your investment, but really it could just be stopping you from taking a closer look at the figure and realising what you really have.
It baffles me that grading companies are used to verify that prototypes from 30 years ago are legitimate, when they cant even correctly name/grade production made figures (see Ruby's post on the previous page)
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 20, 2019 15:39:58 GMT -5
Anyone familiar with the lack of knowledge that many of the grading companies have, and also the damage which they caused to the Star Wars collecting community will be fully aware of why grading is a complete waste of time. Essentially, when they stopped production of the Star Wars figures, the factories sold-off all of the remaining card-backs which had been produced but never had a figure applied to them. They were purchased by a collector, who also bought a ton of 2nd-hand figures, then re-sealed them onto the new cards, and got them graded. Because the grading companies are utterly incompetent, they graded all of these re-sealed figures as essentially mint new figures. By the time collectors began to realise what had happened, many of the figures had already been sold for a premium and added to collections, when really their value is only that of a standard loose figure. So beware, you might think that perspex is protecting your investment, but really it could just be stopping you from taking a closer look at the figure and realising what you really have. It baffles me that grading companies are used to verify that prototypes from 30 years ago are legitimate, when they cant even correctly name/grade production made figures (see Ruby's post on the previous page) The Whole to grade or not to grade is a preference / opinion, however this post has points which are irrefutable. When integrity has been compromised by so many misgradings how can you trust them with prototypes etc. This post is spot on. Compared to comic gradings where they have been sent to graders, reopened and resent and a virtually identical grade has come back because there's a science to comic grading compared to figures
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Post by HeelPiper on Nov 20, 2019 16:15:36 GMT -5
MOC grading is worth it imo, guaranteed 85 condition grade is sweet!
Loose grading is stupid.
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Post by snowjorden on Nov 20, 2019 17:08:33 GMT -5
I'm not a fan of grading for anything bar comics The reason being that's become an art where there is a widely used recognised and understood scale. 3 graders all see the same comic in the same condition and they'll give it (with the exception of maybe 0.01 of a point) the same grade Figures, computer games etc all too new forbitvyoo be accurate enough Take actually paying for it out of the equation. Hypothetically then - you win first prize, your choice is a graded AFA 90 version of Bret Hart or a mint looking ungraded one. Which one do you pick? the choice is easy You are 100% correct, the choice is very easy... I'm taking the ungraded one. I'd do a better job grading Hasbro's (as would MANY on here) than the people being used to grade them anyways. If I wanted it kept safe, there's cases I can buy. I don't need a sticker with a % next to it.. regardless if cost is a factor or not. Plus, "doodoo and choclate" hands by some grading employee all over my MOC Bret, hell no.
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 21, 2019 8:23:45 GMT -5
Take actually paying for it out of the equation. Hypothetically then - you win first prize, your choice is a graded AFA 90 version of Bret Hart or a mint looking ungraded one. Which one do you pick? the choice is easy You are 100% correct, the choice is very easy... I'm taking the ungraded one. I'd do a better job grading Hasbro's (as would MANY on here) than the people being used to grade them anyways. If I wanted it kept safe, there's cases I can buy. I don't need a sticker with a % next to it.. regardless if cost is a factor or not. Plus, "doodoo and choclate" hands by some grading employee all over my MOC Bret, hell no. Lol at the major Mark reference 🤘
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 23, 2019 3:04:10 GMT -5
Why would you pay a ridiculous amount of money for some assclown to grade your Hasbros when you can just stick them in some of the RSC cases and get the exact same result for a fraction of the cost
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 16:07:32 GMT -5
Why would you pay a ridiculous amount of money for some assclown to grade your Hasbros when you can just stick them in some of the RSC cases and get the exact same result for a fraction of the cost Spot on dude The reality is if admitted or not is these grading obsessed are just in it to make cash off the figures and have no desire to be in the game very long.
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Nov 23, 2019 16:14:40 GMT -5
Why would you pay a ridiculous amount of money for some assclown to grade your Hasbros when you can just stick them in some of the RSC cases and get the exact same result for a fraction of the cost Spot on dude The reality is if admitted or not is these grading obsessed are just in it to make cash off the figures and have no desire to be in the game very long. Exactly. Why would you ever get something graded unless you’re specifically trying to inflate its value?
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Post by bootan on Nov 24, 2019 5:20:23 GMT -5
Why would you pay a ridiculous amount of money for some assclown to grade your Hasbros when you can just stick them in some of the RSC cases and get the exact same result for a fraction of the cost Spot on dude The reality is if admitted or not is these grading obsessed are just in it to make cash off the figures and have no desire to be in the game very long. OK Whatever mate. Ive been collecting since the 80s. Been into grading for almost a decade. I have sold 1 graded figure, and that was because I upgraded to a 90 from a 85. So your opinion is just your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. The prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves. Dont hate the player, hate the game.
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 25, 2019 15:12:23 GMT -5
Spot on dude The reality is if admitted or not is these grading obsessed are just in it to make cash off the figures and have no desire to be in the game very long. OK Whatever mate. Ive been collecting since the 80s. Been into grading for almost a decade. I have sold 1 graded figure, and that was because I upgraded to a 90 from a 85. So your opinion is just your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. The prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves. Dont hate the player, hate the game. So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc
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Post by bootan on Nov 26, 2019 2:12:27 GMT -5
OK Whatever mate. Ive been collecting since the 80s. Been into grading for almost a decade. I have sold 1 graded figure, and that was because I upgraded to a 90 from a 85. So your opinion is just your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. The prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves. Dont hate the player, hate the game. So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that).
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