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Post by snowjorden on Nov 26, 2019 3:40:23 GMT -5
So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). Which the name on the card is the only reason most of those graders even know who the figures is.. that doesn't speak to highly about how "respectable" the grade would be.. |
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Post by newgenandy on Nov 26, 2019 8:59:21 GMT -5
So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). Toys is the anomaly there. Stamps and comic books have a clearly defined scale and rules for grading A comic book collector could easily explain the difference between a grading of 9.0 or 9.6. Can you clearly explain a 70% to 80%? Here's an example for comics: 9.6 NEAR MINT+ (NM+): Nearly perfect with a minor additional virtue or virtues that raise it from Near Mint. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. No bindery tears are allowed, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/8" have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. One corner may be almost imperceptibly blunted, but still almost sharp and cut square. Almost imperceptible indentations are permissible, but no creases, bends, or color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered, with only the slightest discoloration. Paper is off-white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. Very detailed on pages, cover, binding, ink brightness, corner sharpness even down to the staples being discoloured etc. Comic book grading is a finely detailed science not guessing game like figures. so if someone is considering buying a comic graded 9.6 they know what to expect. Can you provide the same for a 90% action figure? tell me that is acceptable for a 90% in terms of the hook, corners, bubble etc for a 90% or 9 out of 10 graded figure? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 9:51:56 GMT -5
So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). It’s more noobs or the uneducated will buy for high prices lol, has nothing about being a serious collector, I have many Hasbro Prototypes/errros etc, and you think II would pay anywhere near the price of them for a mass produced figure graded mint or not ? Loll, like I said no collection stands out these days minus a few as they all look the same, it’s not about collecting it’s about who has the highest scoring cards lol and then once they get there approval they’ll get bored and sell on hoping to retire of the chunk of change haha. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 9:58:25 GMT -5
So your not in it for price increases but sign off saying "the prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves" Ultimatley i just don't see how someone at a graders is qualified to grade such a niche market as wrestling action figures, especially when we have seen errors like mis labelling of characters etc I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). On another note, what I’m saying is just my personal opinion, nothing factual, just to be clear, no Ill will on my part towards yourself , all just a discussion etc, it’s all fun in my book and banter. |
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Post by bootan on Dec 1, 2019 0:38:09 GMT -5
I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). Toys is the anomaly there. Stamps and comic books have a clearly defined scale and rules for grading A comic book collector could easily explain the difference between a grading of 9.0 or 9.6. Can you clearly explain a 70% to 80%? Here's an example for comics: 9.6 NEAR MINT+ (NM+): Nearly perfect with a minor additional virtue or virtues that raise it from Near Mint. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. No bindery tears are allowed, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/8" have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. One corner may be almost imperceptibly blunted, but still almost sharp and cut square. Almost imperceptible indentations are permissible, but no creases, bends, or color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered, with only the slightest discoloration. Paper is off-white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. Very detailed on pages, cover, binding, ink brightness, corner sharpness even down to the staples being discoloured etc. Comic book grading is a finely detailed science not guessing game like figures. so if someone is considering buying a comic graded 9.6 they know what to expect. Can you provide the same for a 90% action figure? tell me that is acceptable for a 90% in terms of the hook, corners, bubble etc for a 90% or 9 out of 10 graded figure? If you could be bothered............this is from the AFA site cgagrading.com/ToyGrader/grading_scales.aspx |
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Post by bootan on Dec 1, 2019 0:43:00 GMT -5
I said that because all the grader-haters are whinging that the prices of graded figures are grossly inflated, yet they are selling. Serious collectors be it in trading cards, comics, toys, stamps, banknotes, whatever will pay higher prices for their pieces graded. Its very simple boys, it is what it is. and harping on about some loose figures that were labelled incorrectly a few years back.......get over it. Serious collectors generally get carded toys graded not loose anyways (unless we are talking protos and all that). It’s more noobs or the uneducated will buy for high prices lol, has nothing about being a serious collector, I have many Hasbro Prototypes/errros etc, and you think II would pay anywhere near the price of them for a mass produced figure graded mint or not ? Loll, like I said no collection stands out these days minus a few as they all look the same, it’s not about collecting it’s about who has the highest scoring cards lol and then once they get there approval they’ll get bored and sell on hoping to retire of the chunk of change haha. eh...that's your opinion and are entitled to it. lets agree to disagree |
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 1, 2019 6:57:39 GMT -5
Toys is the anomaly there. Stamps and comic books have a clearly defined scale and rules for grading A comic book collector could easily explain the difference between a grading of 9.0 or 9.6. Can you clearly explain a 70% to 80%? Here's an example for comics: 9.6 NEAR MINT+ (NM+): Nearly perfect with a minor additional virtue or virtues that raise it from Near Mint. Only subtle bindery or printing defects are allowed. No bindery tears are allowed, although on Golden Age books bindery tears of up to 1/8" have been noted. Cover is flat with no surface wear. Inks are bright with high reflectivity and a minimum of fading. One corner may be almost imperceptibly blunted, but still almost sharp and cut square. Almost imperceptible indentations are permissible, but no creases, bends, or color break. Small, inconspicuous, lightly penciled, stamped or inked arrival dates are acceptable as long as they are in an unobtrusive location. Spine is tight and flat. Staples must be original, generally centered, with only the slightest discoloration. Paper is off-white, supple and fresh. Only the slightest interior tears are allowed. Very detailed on pages, cover, binding, ink brightness, corner sharpness even down to the staples being discoloured etc. Comic book grading is a finely detailed science not guessing game like figures. so if someone is considering buying a comic graded 9.6 they know what to expect. Can you provide the same for a 90% action figure? tell me that is acceptable for a 90% in terms of the hook, corners, bubble etc for a 90% or 9 out of 10 graded figure? If you could be bothered............this is from the AFA site cgagrading.com/ToyGrader/grading_scales.aspxBut again they have nowhere near the same detail. They group under 3 definitions: Gold 85+ Silver 75 to 85 Bronze 10 to 70 Their definition for gold covers near mint + to gem mint Still nowhere as detailed as comic or stamp grading definitions where a seperate definition is provided for each grading |
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Post by Hasbromaniac on Dec 1, 2019 13:30:38 GMT -5
To each their own, but comic grading is worse from what I have seen than figure grading. Don't care for either one.
Comic grading is for making a profit as you can never read the book. At least you can display the toy as is.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 1, 2019 14:32:41 GMT -5
To each their own, but comic grading is worse from what I have seen than figure grading. Don't care for either one. Comic grading is for making a profit as you can never read the book. At least you can display the toy as is. But you could use the argument you can still look at the cover. toys are not to be looked at, they're to be played with so grading anything really prevents it from being used for its primary purpose |
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Post by Kasper.ca on Dec 1, 2019 15:44:26 GMT -5
But you could use the argument you can still look at the cover. toys are not to be looked at, they're to be played with so grading anything really prevents it from being used for its primary purpose Alright guy, we get it. You open up toys and play with them. You've already said that like 4x in this thread. Most of the people in this particular forum (Hasbro and LJN) are not those types of people. Not many of us are opening $100 figures to play with and that certainly isn't applicable to graded figures |
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 1, 2019 16:57:46 GMT -5
But you could use the argument you can still look at the cover. toys are not to be looked at, they're to be played with so grading anything really prevents it from being used for its primary purpose Alright guy, we get it. You open up toys and play with them. You've already said that like 4x in this thread. Most of the people in this particular forum (Hasbro and LJN) are not those types of people. Not many of us are opening $100 figures to play with and that certainly isn't applicable to graded figures When someone's point against grading comics is they can't be read once graded it's perfectly acceptable to use the same argument for grading figures. People who have comics graded are not likely to read them the same as people who grade figures are not going to play with them. I was pointing out the fact it's the same thing. Likewise someone grading a stamp is not going to use that stamp are they? The only reason people grade is for the value increase but for some reason the people who have them graded claim it's not Protecting can be done by buying cases like the defender ones |
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Post by tibbo on Dec 2, 2019 10:46:29 GMT -5
Alright guy, we get it. You open up toys and play with them. You've already said that like 4x in this thread. Most of the people in this particular forum (Hasbro and LJN) are not those types of people. Not many of us are opening $100 figures to play with and that certainly isn't applicable to graded figures When someone's point against grading comics is they can't be read once graded it's perfectly acceptable to use the same argument for grading figures. People who have comics graded are not likely to read them the same as people who grade figures are not going to play with them. I was pointing out the fact it's the same thing. Likewise someone grading a stamp is not going to use that stamp are they? The only reason people grade is for the value increase but for some reason the people who have them graded claim it's not Protecting can be done by buying cases like the defender ones Can't argue with that matey. Spot on. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 9:06:14 GMT -5
When someone's point against grading comics is they can't be read once graded it's perfectly acceptable to use the same argument for grading figures. People who have comics graded are not likely to read them the same as people who grade figures are not going to play with them. I was pointing out the fact it's the same thing. Likewise someone grading a stamp is not going to use that stamp are they? The only reason people grade is for the value increase but for some reason the people who have them graded claim it's not Protecting can be done by buying cases like the defender ones Can't argue with that matey. Spot on. You speak volumes, think that’s where the wires are crossed, you don’t have the problem with the grading it’s when people who grade anything ie a figure worth £40 then will grade it score a 90 and sell for £200 lol then claim it’s not about the money, that’s where the confusion will be. As you said you get cases cheap for protection so why say I grade for the protection ? Grading everything especially cheap figures and then marking the prices up just makes its harder for the poor sod who wants to start collecting and can’t coz every Tom dick has graded all the figures even ones of near zero value or rareness. |
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Post by bootan on Dec 3, 2019 23:49:42 GMT -5
Can't argue with that matey. Spot on. You speak volumes, think that’s where the wires are crossed, you don’t have the problem with the grading it’s when people who grade anything ie a figure worth £40 then will grade it score a 90 and sell for £200 lol then claim it’s not about the money, that’s where the confusion will be. As you said you get cases cheap for protection so why say I grade for the protection ? Grading everything especially cheap figures and then marking the prices up just makes its harder for the poor sod who wants to start collecting and can’t coz every Tom dick has graded all the figures even ones of near zero value or rareness. Grading is here to stay mate not just in wrestling figures. TMNT, Transfomers, ghostbusters, star wars, LEGO, whatever.........doesnt matter. Many toy collectors worldwide want their stuff graded and will pay for it, get used to it. |
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Post by tibbo on Dec 4, 2019 6:59:55 GMT -5
I have no problem with people getting their own items graded if that is what they want to do.
My concern is that people purchasing graded items are using that as a basis for authenticity/quality, when prior experiences (see the previously mentioned Star Wars issues) have proven that this cannot be trusted.
If grading companies cannot even tell when thousands of bubbles have been ironed back onto cards, or incorrectly identifying production made figures as tag-teams etc, why would they have any authority in confirming the legitimacy of 30 year old hand-made prototypes etc?
Technology is now at the point where anyone with a £300 3D printer can make perfect 2-ups. If you cast those parts from the 3d printer in resin, hand-paint them, get it graded as a prototype and stick it on eBay, you've just paid your mortgage for a year, and some poor sap has some worthless plaster in a lovely perspex box. lol
Just be careful folks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 11:01:01 GMT -5
You speak volumes, think that’s where the wires are crossed, you don’t have the problem with the grading it’s when people who grade anything ie a figure worth £40 then will grade it score a 90 and sell for £200 lol then claim it’s not about the money, that’s where the confusion will be. As you said you get cases cheap for protection so why say I grade for the protection ? Grading everything especially cheap figures and then marking the prices up just makes its harder for the poor sod who wants to start collecting and can’t coz every Tom dick has graded all the figures even ones of near zero value or rareness. Grading is here to stay mate not just in wrestling figures. TMNT, Transfomers, ghostbusters, star wars, LEGO, whatever.........doesnt matter. Many toy collectors worldwide want their stuff graded and will pay for it, get used to it. You sound like a very aggressive miserable person lol, I don’t need to get use to it lol coz I don’t have to be involved in it I’m pretty much one of the very few last retired big Hasbro collectors so what you do I don’t really have concerns all you have to do is admit your in it to make money, it’s probably why your so highly strung over the subject as nobody would get so angry if it wasn’t hitting a nerve, don’t state either that something is here to stay when you have zero facts on the future. Silly Sod! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 11:05:12 GMT -5
Spot on dude The reality is if admitted or not is these grading obsessed are just in it to make cash off the figures and have no desire to be in the game very long. OK Whatever mate. Ive been collecting since the 80s. Been into grading for almost a decade. I have sold 1 graded figure, and that was because I upgraded to a 90 from a 85. So your opinion is just your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. The prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves. Dont hate the player, hate the game. States age as 33, so is younger than me yet he’s been collecting since the 80s, must have magic powers he was collecting in the womb 😆 telling ya this is why I retired coz of all these noobie plonkers trying to make a buck, clueless and just not an ounce of knowledge |
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 5, 2019 11:16:13 GMT -5
OK Whatever mate. Ive been collecting since the 80s. Been into grading for almost a decade. I have sold 1 graded figure, and that was because I upgraded to a 90 from a 85. So your opinion is just your opinion. Lets agree to disagree. The prices graded figures are going for speak for themselves. Dont hate the player, hate the game. States age as 33, so is younger than me yet he’s been collecting since the 80s, must have magic powers he was collecting in the womb 😆 telling ya this is why I retired coz of all these noobie plonkers trying to make a buck, clueless and just not an ounce of knowledge What I think is very telling is: 1. The people who are pro grading yet claim to be not in it for the money get very high strung whereas those debating grading just as a tactic to artificially increase cost do so calmly. As you say - must strike a nerve 2. They're very similar to those who tell others what they should or shouldn't do with their collections. I got my kids moc hasbros opened them cos I didn't want them to have figured other kids have chewed etc and people have a fit telling me I should've left those moc for collectors, like they have a saying with what I should do. 3. The internet and smart phones with the ability to check eBay has made everyone an "expert" and they will argue with people who have been collecting twice their time rather than be respectful and try to learn. The majority of old school collectors are confident in their ability to judge if a figure is in good enough condition for their collection and don't need a subjective number on it to make them feel their collection is worthwhile |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 11:28:28 GMT -5
States age as 33, so is younger than me yet he’s been collecting since the 80s, must have magic powers he was collecting in the womb 😆 telling ya this is why I retired coz of all these noobie plonkers trying to make a buck, clueless and just not an ounce of knowledge What I think is very telling is: 1. The people who are pro grading yet claim to be not in it for the money get very high strung whereas those debating grading just as a tactic to artificially increase cost do so calmly. As you say - must strike a nerve 2. They're very similar to those who tell others what they should or shouldn't do with their collections. I got my kids moc hasbros opened them cos I didn't want them to have figured other kids have chewed etc and people have a fit telling me I should've left those moc for collectors, like they have a saying with what I should do. 3. The internet and smart phones with the ability to check eBay has made everyone an "expert" and they will argue with people who have been collecting twice their time rather than be respectful and try to learn. The majority of old school collectors are confident in their ability to judge if a figure is in good enough condition for their collection and don't need a subjective number on it to make them feel their collection is worthwhile you clearly a fella with his head not up his bottom, glad there’s still few around, I wouldn’t worry this dude I’ve noticed he’s a Zack Ryder fan boy lol and proved all I thought, just an attention seeker, gets an item out coz Ryder does lol, pathetic really, thing is no the Bash ring isn’t worth anything of value it just wasn’t popula so nobody bought it lol, he must think he’s got gold dust there hence point proved is in it for the cash, once the fad dies out these will all disappear, will cash in and be gone like warp speed. |
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Post by bootan on Dec 7, 2019 4:29:24 GMT -5
Zac Ryder fanboy lol..................you guys are funny
Yeah I got the Bash at the Beach ring (I dont know if its rare or not). I didnt get it because Zac got it, I already had it. Ive had it for ages.
Also what did I say that made me sound miserable or angry? You're the one thats getting all sensitive. Checking out my age and info lol btw Ive corrected it now, I have been collecting since the 80s.
Since you trolled my instagram, how many graded figures did you see I have for sale?
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