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Post by k5 on Jul 8, 2019 13:54:06 GMT -5
some of the best wrestling would be considered PG
it’s way more about their lack of incentive to create driving innovative content. WCW was essentially PG but they still knew (sometimes) how to create some quality pro wrestling that doesn’t feel like it’s for the lobotomized.
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Post by The-Rock on Jul 10, 2019 0:38:11 GMT -5
I haven't watched in ages but am familiar with the product, and outside of Daniel Bryan's heel character, I can't say that the product has really integrated any contemporary storylines or characters.
If your product isn't contemporary, it can't be edgy. In the 90s, being anti authority (Austin) and rebelling against social constructs (nWo/Hogan) was in.
Between everything that happens in politics, stuff with #MeToo, millennials, how social media has taken over, etc. you'd think WWE would have characters or storylines that embody these issues. The best aspects of wrestling are always when the line between real life and entertainment get blurred.
How do you not have a heel who is trying to make wrestling great again? A storyline regarding an investigation with an authority figure and his interactions with female wrestlers? A wrestler who is a stereotypical millennial that expects to be given a title shot and not have to work towards it/threatens to cancel various aspects of the program? A storyline that emanates from jealousy relating to social media likes and perceived public image vs. reality? Not to mention anything relating to any real world controversy (DUI, leaked nudes, arrests, steroid use, etc) involving wrestlers?
The last great storylines were CM Punk in 2011 and Daniel Bryant in 2014...both of which centered around real life controversy and were art imitating life.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 10, 2019 1:28:34 GMT -5
I haven't watched in ages but am familiar with the product, and outside of Daniel Bryan's heel character, I can't say that the product has really integrated any contemporary storylines or characters. If your product isn't contemporary, it can't be edgy. In the 90s, being anti authority (Austin) and rebelling against social constructs (nWo/Hogan) was in. Between everything that happens in politics, stuff with #MeToo, millennials, how social media has taken over, etc. you'd think WWE would have characters or storylines that embody these issues. The best aspects of wrestling are always when the line between real life and entertainment get blurred. How do you not have a heel who is trying to make wrestling great again? A storyline regarding an investigation with an authority figure and his interactions with female wrestlers? A wrestler who is a stereotypical millennial that expects to be given a title shot and not have to work towards it/threatens to cancel various aspects of the program? A storyline that emanates from jealousy relating to social media likes and perceived public image vs. reality? Not to mention anything relating to any real world controversy (DUI, leaked nudes, arrests, steroid use, etc) involving wrestlers? The last great storylines were CM Punk in 2011 and Daniel Bryant in 2014...both of which centered around real life controversy and were art imitating life. Punk and Bryan's storylines weren't controversial in the real world. The reason they dont do stuff like you mentioned is because they would lose sponsors and fans out the butt.
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Post by k5 on Jul 10, 2019 7:43:50 GMT -5
I haven't watched in ages but am familiar with the product, and outside of Daniel Bryan's heel character, I can't say that the product has really integrated any contemporary storylines or characters. If your product isn't contemporary, it can't be edgy. In the 90s, being anti authority (Austin) and rebelling against social constructs (nWo/Hogan) was in. Between everything that happens in politics, stuff with #MeToo, millennials, how social media has taken over, etc. you'd think WWE would have characters or storylines that embody these issues. The best aspects of wrestling are always when the line between real life and entertainment get blurred. How do you not have a heel who is trying to make wrestling great again? A storyline regarding an investigation with an authority figure and his interactions with female wrestlers? A wrestler who is a stereotypical millennial that expects to be given a title shot and not have to work towards it/threatens to cancel various aspects of the program? A storyline that emanates from jealousy relating to social media likes and perceived public image vs. reality? Not to mention anything relating to any real world controversy (DUI, leaked nudes, arrests, steroid use, etc) involving wrestlers? The last great storylines were CM Punk in 2011 and Daniel Bryant in 2014...both of which centered around real life controversy and were art imitating life. Punk and Bryan's storylines weren't controversial in the real world. The reason they dont do stuff like you mentioned is because they would lose sponsors and fans out the butt. there is a way to have relevant storylines without offending the sponsors or fans. television shows do it on the regular. and yes, Punk and Bryan, two men that completely went against the odds and literally defied a corporation with their identity is controversial in the real world.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Jul 10, 2019 11:36:24 GMT -5
PG going away won't make anything better on its own. PG hasn't even been the problem. The issue is they don't plan or write anything. That fact doesn't change with the rating.
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Post by shenmue on Jul 10, 2019 13:35:45 GMT -5
The only problem there has been with the PG era is that the intense and personal feuds and violent type matches (cage, hell in a cell, last man standing etc) have lacked blood use and those matches and feuds in wrestling are always enhanced with a bit of blood.
These PPV matches would be improved if they allowed blood for end of feud type matches.
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Post by Chip on Jul 10, 2019 19:13:39 GMT -5
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Post by Darkhawk on Jul 10, 2019 20:48:22 GMT -5
PG Era sucked. I didn't watch WWE, because of it and watched TNA instead.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 11, 2019 6:04:10 GMT -5
There's a lot can be done at PG to makes things edgier & more interesting....this is the challenge Heyman faces. But it isn't going away. They have too much to lose.
WCW was always PG too....including its most popular and prosperous time...96-98
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Jul 11, 2019 8:47:35 GMT -5
PG going away won't make anything better on its own. PG hasn't even been the problem. The issue is they don't plan or write anything. That fact doesn't change with the rating. Untrue, man. There were never complaint threads on here until the day Raw went PG, and there will never be complaint threads if it goes back to TV-14.
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Jul 11, 2019 9:00:39 GMT -5
PG going away won't make anything better on its own. PG hasn't even been the problem. The issue is they don't plan or write anything. That fact doesn't change with the rating. Untrue, man. There were never complaint threads on here until the day Raw went PG, and there will never be complaint threads if it goes back to TV-14. I disagree. PG happened to coincide when they were missing a lot of their stars. Shortly after then is when the quality of the writing went down. PG doesn't handcuff you into being unable to write storylines or maintain consistency. If that's the case then their teams of writers are woefully uncreative. PG, too much talent, too much time to fill, etc. They're all just excuses as to why the product has suffered for the past 14 years (imo, obviously). Effort, or lack thereof is the true problem. There will always be complaint posts. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case, haha.
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