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Post by rowdy1971 on Apr 2, 2020 13:58:02 GMT -5
I always like New Jack and his promos, hell, he got heat! But I think, like most, that he should have never been allowed to "wrestle" in the ring after all the BS he pulled. No wonder he is "retired" now. Nobody wants to lose out on the insurance money if they did book them.
The "Brawl for All" is not going to be the best thing this show is going to do. Hardly anything "Dark" about it, more that it was stupid. Just listen to the Bruce Prichard podcast to hear all about it. But I'll still watch it.
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Post by jason1980s on Apr 2, 2020 13:59:45 GMT -5
I don't say this to imply that I wish death on him, because I most certainly don't. However, I have no idea how New Jack is alive. People die from snorting coke all the time, sometimes from their first try. If he's telling the truth about doing coke for 20+ years, especially in the amounts that he referenced, then it all but defies science that he's still upright and breathing. Raven told a story some years back about his drug use and mentioned how it's not really the heavy user who happens to die, it's the ones who use for the first time, and maybe in the wrong amount. That's the best I can remember. I worked with homeless men and women for years and a majority were drug addicts or alcoholics and though some did die it was usually from drug related incidents (jaywalking into traffic or being beaten to death by other addicts) rather than drug use itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2020 17:02:17 GMT -5
Does anyone think New Jacks felonious attacks were race oriented? Noob oriented. Given the opportunity would he have tried to cut a Shamrock Severn or Blackman?
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Post by sonstuds on Apr 2, 2020 17:46:59 GMT -5
The New Jack episode was really a different take for DSOTR. It wasnt all doom & gloom like the other episodes have been. While I wouldnt make it the best show, it was still entertaining. Honestly I laughed more at the stories then anything. I loved how when he started most of his crazy stories it started with "Once again...I was on coke...Higher then a mutha  a" The New Jack episode summed up in five seconds; Does anyone think New Jacks felonious attacks were race oriented? Noob oriented. Given the opportunity would he have tried to cut a Shamrock Severn or Blackman? I dunno, doesn't seem like being black protects you from New Jack. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Apr 2, 2020 19:31:59 GMT -5
Not going to lie I enjoyed the New Jack episode, it was interesting and I laughed at some parts.
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Post by RybackV1 on Apr 2, 2020 22:58:43 GMT -5
Season 2 is like season 1 on crack , the Owen Hart episode is gonna be insane.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2020 10:58:45 GMT -5
Watched both parts of the Benoit episode. Part 2 is especially dark and downbeat, thankfully it ended on somewhat of a positive spin (at least the best they could do given the circumstances).
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 3, 2020 13:57:15 GMT -5
Loved the New Jack ep., but not much new that I hadn't seen prior. Still the baddest man on the planet! Anyone notice that was XPW footage in there, and I believe the Sandman footage was too? Now that my friends would be an episode of dark. Messiah. Nuff said.
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Post by Patrick Bateman (original) on Apr 4, 2020 15:23:38 GMT -5
A couple things on New Jack
1. He has an insane coke habit.
2. He is racist. Why are all the people calling him the N bomb? Or is he so coked out he is paranoid and thinking they are? Or is it a combo of both?
3. He is a bully. Out of all the assaults I saw it was taking advantage of new or weak people. Even the video posted in here is him taking advantage of people weaker than him.
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Post by K5 on Apr 4, 2020 15:55:43 GMT -5
Loved the New Jack ep., but not much new that I hadn't seen prior. Still the baddest man on the planet! Anyone notice that was XPW footage in there, and I believe the Sandman footage was too? Now that my friends would be an episode of dark. Messiah. Nuff said. VPV i remember first hearing about the messiah incident from an episode of america's most wanted. yeesh. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 9:38:41 GMT -5
Loved the New Jack ep., but not much new that I hadn't seen prior. Still the baddest man on the planet! Anyone notice that was XPW footage in there, and I believe the Sandman footage was too? Now that my friends would be an episode of dark. Messiah. Nuff said. VPV I don't know how bad he is. It's easy to be bad when you're sticking someone with a knife and allowed to do it as part of a 'script' with a ref standing there. I would have brought my .45 snub nose to the ring to face new jack. |
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Post by koreygunz on Apr 6, 2020 10:13:15 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the New Jack episode? I cant seem to find it on YouTube. Did VICE not post it like they did with the Benoit episodes?
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 6, 2020 11:19:08 GMT -5
Loved the New Jack ep., but not much new that I hadn't seen prior. Still the baddest man on the planet! Anyone notice that was XPW footage in there, and I believe the Sandman footage was too? Now that my friends would be an episode of dark. Messiah. Nuff said. VPV I don't know how bad he is. It's easy to be bad when you're sticking someone with a knife and allowed to do it as part of a 'script' with a ref standing there. I would have brought my .45 snub nose to the ring to face new jack. That's fair, I just always loved him and watching opponents faces when he hit the ring was what made him a bad man. He had a trashcan full of weapons for goodness sake. Had you ever seen him "fore"? Now that is gangsta! |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 6, 2020 16:22:39 GMT -5
Does anyone think New Jacks felonious attacks were race oriented? Noob oriented. Given the opportunity would he have tried to cut a Shamrock Severn or Blackman? Nah, Jack is nuts. I would expect him to try to stab anyone he sees as having wronged him. His victims were of lower merit in the wrestling world but I think that's more a case of take what you can get. Had he had a higher profile or less of a crumby reputation he may have been put in the ring with more notable stars. And I don't think notoriety would help anyone against New Jack's ire. I'm not sure if Shamrock or Severn would be able to beat New Jack in one of his incidents unless they already had their guard up. Jack doesn't have fist fights, he luls you into thinking he's working and then snaps and stabs you. Shooters could easily take him down after the fact, but New Jack is definitely getting that first, violent hit in. |
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Post by HandsomeHollywood on Apr 6, 2020 16:25:13 GMT -5
A couple things on New Jack 1. He has an insane coke habit. 2. He is racist. Why are all the people calling him the N bomb? Or is he so coked out he is paranoid and thinking they are? Or is it a combo of both?3. He is a bully. Out of all the assaults I saw it was taking advantage of new or weak people. Even the video posted in here is him taking advantage of people weaker than him. I think to New Jack, the act of having those insults thrown at him is a hindsight justification for his actions. Whether they happened or not is up for debate but I don't think New Jack is above lying about it. In no way is having racially charged insults thrown at you a justification for mutilating or near murdering a person in the ring with you who isn't taking part in the insults. Really liked the New Jack episode. One gripe I have is with some reviews I've seen elsewhere trying to argue that the show glorified his actions. I saw no glorification, New Jack is nuts and the camera rolled. If you already think sitting in a wheelchair snorting coke is cool, then I guess it's glorification to you. |
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Apr 6, 2020 16:46:46 GMT -5
Anyone have a link to the New Jack episode? I cant seem to find it on YouTube. Did VICE not post it like they did with the Benoit episodes? |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 7, 2020 21:51:35 GMT -5
Things I took away from the Brawl For All episode...
1. Jim Ross saying, "nobody got over" in the Brawl For All is a lie. Bart Gunn got over. You just chose not to do anything with him.
2. Steve Williams in 1998 wasn't anywhere near as tough, or amazing as he was in 1988. Dr. Death was a bit long in the tooth in 1998 and the loss to Bart Gunn showed us that.
3. Jim Cornette is nuts. His hatred for Vince Russo is just ridiculous. I think Cornette hates the fact that Russo was creative enough at that time to do different things, and Cornette was still stuck in his NWA/Smoky Mountain Wrestling style of 'Southern wrestling' that he seems to get off on.
4. If the Brawl For All was a worked shoot then Dr. Death could have gotten the win and it would have saved a lot of hassle.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 21:57:21 GMT -5
1 thing I took away from the brawl for all episode...
It was the worst idea ever!
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Post by LA Times on Apr 7, 2020 22:04:19 GMT -5
The Brawl for All looked like a good idea on paper, but it turned out to be a disaster. It was cool they mentioned Bart Gunn's win over Cabbage Correia in MMA, but they shouldved talked about all the career ending injuries other participants have suffered.
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Post by K5 on Apr 7, 2020 22:11:07 GMT -5
Things I took away from the Brawl For All episode... 1. Jim Ross saying, "nobody got over" in the Brawl For All is a lie. Bart Gunn got over. You just chose not to do anything with him. 2. Steve Williams in 1998 wasn't anywhere near as tough, or amazing as he was in 1988. Dr. Death was a bit long in the tooth in 1998 and the loss to Bart Gunn showed us that. 3. Jim Cornette is nuts. His hatred for Vince Russo is just ridiculous. I think Cornette hates the fact that Russo was creative enough at that time to do different things, and Cornette was still stuck in his NWA/Smoky Mountain Wrestling style of 'Southern wrestling' that he seems to get off on. 4. If the Brawl For All was a worked shoot then Dr. Death could have gotten the win and it would have saved a lot of hassle. i think at this point cornette's antics are almost purely work. the russo stuff kept him relevant. at one point it seemed moderately justified but it's become a gimmick. and i agree on steve williams. i think the older guys liked jr didn't want to admit he was over the hill by that point. i do feel that dr death was a missed opportunity. he killed it in the uwf and then just teamed off with bam bam, wrestled a bit in wcw, and took off for japan. a feud with vader and steve in 93 could've been something. |
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