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Post by JC Motors on Mar 31, 2020 17:54:34 GMT -5
You know what's shocking, Obama didn't endorse Biden. That is the ultimate betrayal. Lack of faith in an utterly doomed candidate. Obama might have been a relatively ineffectual President, but in the last few years he's shown to be a pretty shrewd political operator behind-the-scenes. Biden seems to be showing signs of dementia
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 31, 2020 18:06:32 GMT -5
Legit question, Im friends/friendly with some of you all....and some can suck an egg....but when you come to a thread like this and its just a wall of paragraphs and then a quoted wall of paragraphs with a wall of paragraphs.....Does anyone actually read all of that other than the 2 people involved?
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Post by Sizzle on Mar 31, 2020 18:23:19 GMT -5
Legit question, Im friends/friendly with some of you all....and some can suck an egg....but when you come to a thread like this and its just a wall of paragraphs and then a quoted wall of paragraphs with a wall of paragraphs.....Does anyone actually read all of that other than the 2 people involved? I have yet to make any contribution to this thread but I do read the paragraphs to see the quality of the arguments being made. Let’s me know about who will attempt to make good faith arguments if I were to get involved.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 31, 2020 18:26:07 GMT -5
Legit question, Im friends/friendly with some of you all....and some can suck an egg....but when you come to a thread like this and its just a wall of paragraphs and then a quoted wall of paragraphs with a wall of paragraphs.....Does anyone actually read all of that other than the 2 people involved? Absolutely not... especially when the reply is a wall of text within the original quote.
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Post by GBGav on Mar 31, 2020 20:25:27 GMT -5
Legit question, Im friends/friendly with some of you all....and some can suck an egg....but when you come to a thread like this and its just a wall of paragraphs and then a quoted wall of paragraphs with a wall of paragraphs.....Does anyone actually read all of that other than the 2 people involved? I usually don't mind having something lengthy to read if it's interesting but my eyes just glazed over all of that. As a Brit I don't really come into this thread but I've been very interested in watching how the US is handling the current crisis. And it's 2am and I'm not tired so I'm looking for stuff to look at online. Maybe actually reading that will help put me to sleep. (Not knocking on the members involved in the debate, you're great, it's just the topic.)
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 31, 2020 20:45:09 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, it's not just Slappy & HAM, both I'm friends with here....its just in general. Every time I see walls of text, even replies to stuff I post...I tend to just skip over it.
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Post by Tim of thee on Mar 31, 2020 21:28:48 GMT -5
Dont get me wrong, it's not just Slappy & HAM, both I'm friends with here....its just in general. Every time I see walls of text, even replies to stuff I post...I tend to just skip over it. It’s nearly impossible to keep track. Though this forum is better at it than others I’m on. They literally quote wall to oblivion.
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Post by bWo on Mar 31, 2020 22:22:18 GMT -5
I responded to the statement, "the media tried." No misdirection or deflection. Does the media present all the facts and let the public come up with an honest/educated opinion? Or does the media let their political bias/agendas sway their coverage? One is trying, the other is not. Just come out and say that you'll only believe Fox News, Breitbart, and the Drudge Report. It will make it a lot easier. Plus, how do you want me to answer this? Really? You say no misdirection or deflection, but I show you in a quote how you talked about something else in a reply, and then your rebuttal to that is to say no misdirection or deflection and then completely ignore it? You can't do literally what you're saying you're not doing as your answer.
You said the media "tries." Presenting all the facts isn't something you have to "try" to do. The media "tries" to spin stories to their preference. Does pointing out that Fox nibbles Trumps nipples make you think you're presenting new and profoundly shocking information? Fox is pro Trump as much as CNN is against him. Neither does the population any favours. "Does the media present all the facts and let the public come up with an honest/educated opinion? Or does the media let their political bias/agendas sway their coverage?" This is a bit to unpack. You say "the media" but that's a very broad term, because I showed two specific examples one from Fox News one from Washington Post about how they said the same thing, one (Fox News) put their spin on it, Washington Post was just bland but said the same thing without the spin and your rebuttal is to talk down on Washington Post. That's misdirection and deflection again because you won't talk about the point I made with Fox News putting an obvious and unneeded spin on it, you just want to talk about Washington Post because you feel they go against your beliefs.
"Talk down the Washington Post." Wow. I pointed out that they are guilty of misguiding its readers. That's not talking them down, that's pointing out a fact.
"One is trying, the other is not." Then you end with a form of what I said that you made fun of, but its OK because I assume you think you come off profound? "The media tries?" Hahaha. I had to quote you and laugh. You think the media is impartial. That's hilarious.There's Rachel Maddow on MSNBC in tears talking about illegal immigrant children being separated from their families because their criminal parents decided to try to break the law and enter the country illegally. This was of course because of Donald Trump's immigration crackdown. Problem is the same thing happens to (legal citizens) American children if they don't have any relatives and their criminal parents break the law and go to jail. No tears for them? No coverage? No blame? No poops given? Objective media? Hmmmm. This one I have to start with the end because you show an attempted example of how liberal media can be bias and with an objective, but don't forget I said in my initial reply to you:
I would also say there is some media, on both sides -- BOTH SIDES, that are truly unfair. I said "both sides", twice, with emphasis. I'm aware both sides do things like this, which is why I don't watch MSNBC, its too left for me. I use mediabiaschart.com as a reference on where things fall, generally the Washington Post to The Hill is my spectrum. Doesn't matter if you watch MSNBC. It still exists. CNN still exists. Fox still exists. They influence people with bullcrap. You asked for an example of bias and I gave you one from your own reference. Instead of owning your mistake you accuse me of "talking down" the Washington Post and then run to your "BOTH SIDES" safety blanket. Convenient. To your point about about "illegal immigrant children being separated from their families because their criminal parents decided to try to break the law and enter the country illegally." I know, again, I can sit here until I'm blue in the face trying to present this as why I think its wrong. I'll mention how its happening to asylum seekers looking to enter legally, and you'll just focus on illegal and that they're criminals. I'll even mention how this happened in ways under Obama, and you'll bark off more Stephen Miller ideology. And I'll mention how your blanket assessment of labeling them "criminals" and what they're doing is "illegal" is wrong to do and make reference to the 6th Amendment of our Bill of Rights and article 11 of The Universal Declaration of Human Rights to what end? And what should be done with the immigrants while they're awaiting their day in court? Let em go and hope they show up? And if they are arrested because they're criminals, what should be done with their kids? Do they get to go prison with the parents while they await the judge? Do American kids go to jail with their parents?
If parents are going to put their children in a compromising position, the parents are ultimately to blame. The kids didn't do something and get themselves in trouble. It was the direct actions and decisions of their parents. Stop letting them off the hook. Had the parents acted responsibly how much of that would have been necessary in the first place? Did you get this emotional when Obama contradicted himself? Or is this just a Trump thing? I didn't get emotional, why are you falsely implying that? Also, why Obama? Why isn't your question phrased about ANYONE contradicting themselves? Its an awful trait and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone. And right now I certainly don't like when Trump contradicts himself because he is our nations leader and his contradictions can fall anywhere from hypocritical to dangerous.
Why Obama? Because I was talking about the current President, so I mentioned the last President in the same sentence. What answer were you expecting me to give you?
Here he is on February 24th telling us that the Coronavirus is "very much under control" and that "Stock Market starting to look very good to me!" before we've faced 3 million unemployment, nationwide lock downs, more confirmed cases than any other country, thousands dead, and nearly all gains in the stock market since he took office wiped out. Sounds "very much under control". If he had handled this like he's handling it now a month ago, or even in December / January when he knew, maybe we wouldn't be sitting around our houses until the end of April.
So you're telling me the coronavirus is ravaging the United States under Donald Trump the same way it's ravaging basically every other country in the world no matter how prepared they were. Groundbreaking info. The idiots at spring break are Trump's fault? The people going to parks, parties, and other gatherings are Trump's fault? People not washing their hands, that's Trump's fault? The virus being new, easily spread, impossible in cases to spot. That's Trump's fault? People around the world not taking precautions is of course Donald Trump's Fault.
So he wasn't removed from office. Bingo. Yes, that's why I said it. He was impeached, he's one of the three Presidents to be impeached in our nations history, none have been removed from office. The other two were OK because they were Democrats, right? Or is Trump's impeachment the only one they got wrong? The only one who most likely would have been removed from office, Nixon, stepped down as President before trial. And? The Washington Post. You mean the paper that smeared Nicholas Sandmann because he was wearing a MAGA hat? Did they "try?" Or did they get triggered by the hat and end up having to run an apology and are facing a lawsuit over their made up coverage? If they're your example of honest reporting when it comes to Trump, "sources" aren't going to make any kind of difference. Yeah, the Washington Post. You missed the point and are just focusing on who I used as a reference. You can dislike the Washington Post, but I give an example of how they presented the facts in 2 paragraphs while Fox News put a political party spin on it and then you want to, once again, do misdirection and deflection by ignoring what I said and the points I made and talk about Nicholas Sandmann being a victim.
You suggested the Washington Post was a credible source. You were wrong.
"having to run an apology and are facing a lawsuit over their made up coverage"
Or are you referring to the reopened case that has 30 of the 33 items in the case removed, leaving the " The three statements include Phillips’ published view that Sandmann was deliberately blocking him when the two crossed paths in separate rallies." according to the New York Post? Seems like they threw a lot at the wall hoping something would stick, and surprisingly a lot didn't. Maybe the second trial will work out? Maybe Sandmann's lawyer can go back on Hannity and paint his client as the "a 16-year-old, 115-pound Covington High School student who was absolutely vilified by this media mob" that the Washington Post "bullied an innocent child with an absolute disregard for the pain and destruction that these attacks could cause to his life." Why didn't he take the high road and walk away if he's a 115 pound child? The "do as I say, not as I do" mentality? Nathan Phillips should have walked away, right? Not the "bullied", smiling child? That's called lawyer talk. You know that. Spare me the drama.
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Post by bWo on Mar 31, 2020 22:26:03 GMT -5
Legit question, Im friends/friendly with some of you all....and some can suck an egg....but when you come to a thread like this and its just a wall of paragraphs and then a quoted wall of paragraphs with a wall of paragraphs.....Does anyone actually read all of that other than the 2 people involved? That's f*cken hilarious. I have no idea what's going on. I'm glad Heroes and Martyrs knows what he's doing because I'm no doubt f*cken a lot of poop up.
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Post by k5 on Apr 1, 2020 13:59:06 GMT -5
Nivro™ johnnyb sorry for going long, I just like going in-depth with my answers because some of the things I feel can't be said quick and easily, and I like to (or at least try) answer everything I can. don’t apologize. that’s exactly what these threads are for. I enjoyed reading through the debate.
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Post by RSCTom on Apr 1, 2020 14:16:45 GMT -5
Yes, he poorly handled this, he could have acted better and/or faster and we would have less lives lost. Read his comments that he made in the timeline below and you tell me with a straight face he did the best job he could and we don't put any blame on him. January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”
March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
This doesn't just sum it up, this knocks it out of the park. Seeing it laid out in a timeline like this shows just how NOT seriously he has taken it. Even now it's unbearable to listen to him talk about Democrats and Republicans and himself as if anyone cares about politics and partisanship at the moment. NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM AT THIS MOMENT. We all want to see our families, keep our jobs and go outside like normal again, it's that simple. For him to continue the game and spread of misinformation literally in the face of this and discuss things like television ratings just shows how truly unfit for this position he is. Beyond that, it really just paints him as one of the most self-centered human beings in existence. Do we really want this person as an example for future generations? It's ludicrous. YES, the idiots at spring break should be blamed on him. YES, someone feeling invincible enough to lick deodorant should be blamed on him. People are responsible for their own actions, but the President of the United States is setting the EXAMPLE for these idiots. And, setting the example for people who are maybe not idiots...but feel empowered enough to live normal life at the moment. Take the macho a**hole at the grocery store when I took the trip the other day, for instance, going out of his way to smirk at me multiple times in different aisles as I wore gloves, avoided folks and packed my grocery cart to do the right thing, stock up and stick to my apartment. This dude just couldn't help but smile at me and laugh at me struggling in the store with so much stuff while he walked around with his girlfriend and a basket like everything's normal. I don't have definitive proof this was on his mind, maybe he just thought I was funny looking, but I can only imagine someone who is getting off on being a smart ass at the grocery store like this is empowered by the country's leader basically doing the same in front of 327 million people. At the VERY LEAST, he should be telling people to take it seriously without any rhetoric. He has taken a full month of crisis if not longer to come even remotely close to that. Setting a good example is his first priority and instead he continues to lean back on the same song and dance that gets him cheers and claps at rallies. I would vote for Joe Biden if he were headless at this point and it's still mind numbing that anyone could see this any other way. I'm afraid it really won't sink in for people until they are responsible for the death of a relative. And for me to have to pay for the shortcomings of others at this point, if I were to lose a family member, is infuriating, but it's where we're at. Please open your eyes and see this is a different world we're in that has finally come to a head and try voting with basic common sense.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 1, 2020 14:43:18 GMT -5
@ham Dont let me stop you buddy. You do what you feel to do. I still love ya....I was just curious if anyone else just skipped over long posts in general.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 1, 2020 15:07:06 GMT -5
"Talk down the Washington Post." Wow. I pointed out that they are guilty of misguiding its readers. That's not talking them down, that's pointing out a fact. You've entirely missed the point, again.
You suggested the Washington Post was a credible source. You were wrong. No I didn't. When you quote me, please read what I say. Especially when I had to clarify it for you and you still misread it. So you're telling me the coronavirus is ravaging the United States under Donald Trump the same way it's ravaging basically every other country in the world no matter how prepared they were. Groundbreaking info. The idiots at spring break are Trump's fault? The people going to parks, parties, and other gatherings are Trump's fault? People not washing their hands, that's Trump's fault? The virus being new, easily spread, impossible in cases to spot. That's Trump's fault? People around the world not taking precautions is of course Donald Trump's Fault. "So you're telling me the coronavirus is ravaging the United States under Donald Trump the same way it's ravaging basically every other country in the world no matter how prepared they were." Once again, that's not what I said. We currently have the most cases in the world, and we weren't the first country. What's happening in our country isn't the same in other countries. "Groundbreaking info." A snarky comment in a bWo response!? Be still my heart.
"The idiots at spring break are Trump's fault? The people going to parks, parties, and other gatherings are Trump's fault? People not washing their hands, that's Trump's fault? The virus being new, easily spread, impossible in cases to spot. That's Trump's fault? People around the world not taking precautions is of course Donald Trump's Fault." Yes, he poorly handled this, he could have acted better and/or faster and we would have less lives lost. Read his comments that he made in the timeline below and you tell me with a straight face he did the best job he could and we don't put any blame on him.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”
March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
bWo for you to keep misreading what I say, take what I say and go off on tangents that aren't direct replies, or to falsely put words in my mouth that I didn't say isn't going to get us anywhere. We see your beliefs and ideals, and we see how you respond and the fact that I have to keep trying to get you on track and on point really is tiring and takes the fun out of a good debate. Say whatever you want, I'll just like it to acknowledge it and if I feel like being a masochist and try to continue a conversation with you again, you'll be the first to know. Nivro™ johnnyb sorry for going long, I just like going in-depth with my answers because some of the things I feel can't be said quick and easily, and I like to (or at least try) answer everything I can. Ive seen that timeline posted before...and again, the problem is that someone took hour long pressers and pulled random quotes out of it to fuel their agenda. (Again, I beg people not to use social media as sources. CDC website is much more accurate & balanced) Now dont get me wrong, Ive said it before in this thread and Ill say it again....Trump says stupid things...frequently. Its my one beef that I have with him. However look at the timeline of ACTION and not quotes and you'll see actions were taken by Trump/CDC/Gov't almost immediately... Lets be real. The first case in China was reported in what Nov/Dec? If he would have issued a travel ban immediately that day to prevent Chinese from coming into the country people would have called him racist.
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Post by JC Motors on Apr 1, 2020 16:00:11 GMT -5
We should all write in Ralph Wiggum for President.
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Post by bWo on Apr 1, 2020 21:00:27 GMT -5
"Talk down the Washington Post." Wow. I pointed out that they are guilty of misguiding its readers. That's not talking them down, that's pointing out a fact. You've entirely missed the point, again.
Not at all. You wanted it to look like the Washington Post was concise and to the point. Bland. Just the essentials. You post a story that favours Trump and they are "bland." It helps your argument. When I ask you where the essentials were during their coverage of Nicholas Sandmann you have no response. The potential to damage Trump was too tempting because of that MAGA hat so they tried to add all kinds of spice.
The Post was bland when it didn't fit their agenda. When they thought the story did, they amped it up. My initial question was,
Your response was,
It isn't though. You've been running in circles trying to convince yourself that it is, but it really isn't.
You suggested the Washington Post was a credible source. You were wrong. No I didn't. When you quote me, please read what I say. Especially when I had to clarify it for you and you still misread it. You used them as an argument to make a point because you believe in them and now are saying they aren't even a credible source. You seem confused. So you're telling me the coronavirus is ravaging the United States under Donald Trump the same way it's ravaging basically every other country in the world no matter how prepared they were. Groundbreaking info. The idiots at spring break are Trump's fault? The people going to parks, parties, and other gatherings are Trump's fault? People not washing their hands, that's Trump's fault? The virus being new, easily spread, impossible in cases to spot. That's Trump's fault? People around the world not taking precautions is of course Donald Trump's Fault. "So you're telling me the coronavirus is ravaging the United States under Donald Trump the same way it's ravaging basically every other country in the world no matter how prepared they were." Once again, that's not what I said. We currently have the most cases in the world, and we weren't the first country. What's happening in our country isn't the same in other countries. The United States ISN'T OTHER COUNTRIES. You refuse to acknowledge anything huh? You see what they were doing in the Philippines to people who were out when they were supposed to be home? Did you see the videos of the police in india? Japan is one of the (if not the) most socially responsible country on the planet when it comes to sickness. How are they doing now?
But America should just BE DIFFERENT. And the only reason they aren't is Donald Trump. Him and his decisions only are to blame for all of this. Uh huh. "Groundbreaking info." A snarky comment in a bWo response!? Be still my heart. Heroes and Martyrs ignoring what I say again. My heart's already still because I was expecting it.
"The idiots at spring break are Trump's fault? The people going to parks, parties, and other gatherings are Trump's fault? People not washing their hands, that's Trump's fault? The virus being new, easily spread, impossible in cases to spot. That's Trump's fault? People around the world not taking precautions is of course Donald Trump's Fault." Yes, he poorly handled this, he could have acted better and/or faster and we would have less lives lost. Read his comments that he made in the timeline below and you tell me with a straight face he did the best job he could and we don't put any blame on him.
"Yes." Hahahaha. People around the world not taking precautions is Donald Trump's fault. You do realize you just said that right? Your hatred of Donald Trump has you saying that HE is responsible for the actions of billions of people around the world. You don't see how your opinions are questionable when you say things like that?
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
I don't know how to quote so I shortened that to make it look like less of a clusterf*ck.
He's definitely said some dumb things in there. F*ck yeah. Has he said a lot of "positive outlook" things you want to hear from a President? Yup.
What I find interesting about your timeline is the complete lack of coverage of actions that were taken. Did he suspend air travel from China? When was that? I know he did but the timeline didn't mention it. Did he cut down air travel from Europe? Wasn't mentioned in the timeline. Stimulus package? No mention of it. Shouldn't a timeline of events include both sides of the coin? Or were facts like those not pertinent to the situation?
bWo for you to keep misreading what I say, take what I say and go off on tangents that aren't direct replies, or to falsely put words in my mouth that I didn't say isn't going to get us anywhere. We see your beliefs and ideals, and we see how you respond and the fact that I have to keep trying to get you on track and on point really is tiring and takes the fun out of a good debate. Say whatever you want, I'll just like it to acknowledge it and if I feel like being a masochist and try to continue a conversation with you again, you'll be the first to know. The tap dance continues.
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Post by bWo on Apr 1, 2020 22:12:35 GMT -5
Yes, he poorly handled this, he could have acted better and/or faster and we would have less lives lost. Read his comments that he made in the timeline below and you tell me with a straight face he did the best job he could and we don't put any blame on him. January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”
March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 17: “I’ve always known this is a real—this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic.”
This doesn't just sum it up, this knocks it out of the park. Seeing it laid out in a timeline like this shows just how NOT seriously he has taken it. Even now it's unbearable to listen to him talk about Democrats and Republicans and himself as if anyone cares about politics and partisanship at the moment. NO ONE CARES ABOUT HIM AT THIS MOMENT. We all want to see our families, keep our jobs and go outside like normal again, it's that simple. For him to continue the game and spread of misinformation literally in the face of this and discuss things like television ratings just shows how truly unfit for this position he is. Beyond that, it really just paints him as one of the most self-centered human beings in existence. Do we really want this person as an example for future generations? It's ludicrous. YES, the idiots at spring break should be blamed on him. YES, someone feeling invincible enough to lick deodorant should be blamed on him. People are responsible for their own actions, but the President of the United States is setting the EXAMPLE for these idiots. And, setting the example for people who are maybe not idiots...but feel empowered enough to live normal life at the moment. Take the macho a**hole at the grocery store when I took the trip the other day, for instance, going out of his way to smirk at me multiple times in different aisles as I wore gloves, avoided folks and packed my grocery cart to do the right thing, stock up and stick to my apartment. This dude just couldn't help but smile at me and laugh at me struggling in the store with so much stuff while he walked around with his girlfriend and a basket like everything's normal. I don't have definitive proof this was on his mind, maybe he just thought I was funny looking, but I can only imagine someone who is getting off on being a smart ass at the grocery store like this is empowered by the country's leader basically doing the same in front of 327 million people. At the VERY LEAST, he should be telling people to take it seriously without any rhetoric. He has taken a full month of crisis if not longer to come even remotely close to that. Setting a good example is his first priority and instead he continues to lean back on the same song and dance that gets him cheers and claps at rallies. I would vote for Joe Biden if he were headless at this point and it's still mind numbing that anyone could see this any other way. I'm afraid it really won't sink in for people until they are responsible for the death of a relative. And for me to have to pay for the shortcomings of others at this point, if I were to lose a family member, is infuriating, but it's where we're at. Please open your eyes and see this is a different world we're in that has finally come to a head and try voting with basic common sense. So your whole entire story is based on nothing more than your own personal perception. You create an entire situation in your head. A situation that even includes you inventing the thoughts of the people at the grocery store. And then you blame Donald Trump for your imagination. You don't see how crazy that is? Anyone? Seriously?
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Post by RSCTom on Apr 2, 2020 8:40:28 GMT -5
So your whole entire story is based on nothing more than your own personal perception. You create an entire situation in your head. A situation that even includes you inventing the thoughts of the people at the grocery store. And then you blame Donald Trump for your imagination. You don't see how crazy that is? Anyone? Seriously? All I did was tell you a story. Personal perception, sure, but with weight behind it. This dude was basically stalking me in the store or I wouldn't have told it. I am a pretty laid back guy but it was enough for me to notice as a grown man with enough life experience to know when someone is fishing for a confrontation. Like I said, I don't know his thinking but it's worth noting and is, to your point, really just my personal example. We can't get inside everyone's head and see the box that is checked off that says 'Trump made me feel empowered to do this' or 'I am just an idiot', but if you think he isn't empowering at least a portion of the country, even subconsciously, to act like this, you're fooling yourself.
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Post by disorder on Apr 2, 2020 13:22:26 GMT -5
Get him boi
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Post by Tim of thee on Apr 2, 2020 14:11:16 GMT -5
My eyes have been savaged
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Post by bWo on Apr 3, 2020 0:26:02 GMT -5
So your whole entire story is based on nothing more than your own personal perception. You create an entire situation in your head. A situation that even includes you inventing the thoughts of the people at the grocery store. And then you blame Donald Trump for your imagination. You don't see how crazy that is? Anyone? Seriously? All I did was tell you a story. Personal perception, sure, but with weight behind it. This dude was basically stalking me in the store or I wouldn't have told it. I am a pretty laid back guy but it was enough for me to notice as a grown man with enough life experience to know when someone is fishing for a confrontation. Like I said, I don't know his thinking but it's worth noting and is, to your point, really just my personal example. We can't get inside everyone's head and see the box that is checked off that says 'Trump made me feel empowered to do this' or 'I am just an idiot', but if you think he isn't empowering at least a portion of the country, even subconsciously, to act like this, you're fooling yourself. Your story has no weight behind it. It's driven solely by your resentment of Trump. You MADE UP the thoughts/words of someone you believed was doing something wrong, and then blamed Donald Trump for their behaviour. You had no idea what was on his mind, but you imagined it to be bad and then blame Donald Trump for what you think the guy was thinking. You actually don't see how questionable that line of thinking is? And that's your defense for your line of thinking. Trump might subconsciously empower someone to misbehave. Are you for real? That guarantees you the opportunity to blame ANYTHING you want on him. Just say he subconsciously empowered someone to do something bad, therefore it's his fault. No matter what they did, you can blame Trump. What kind of nonsense is that?
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