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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 28, 2020 22:18:47 GMT -5
I wish people would actually listen to speeches/interviews & not just random tweets to justify their "opinion". Trump has never called the coronavirus itself a hoax. He said the democrats would make it their next hoax ala politicizing it. (he likes using the term hoax, I dunno) "Trump never called Coronavirus a hoax." *Trump literally uses the word "hoax" to describe Coronavirus* "Ah well, nonetheless" except he didnt call the coronavirus a hoax, again...you either dont read or dont listen. he called the politicizing of the coronavirus a hoax. This is why people look silly when they dont do research and just post tidbits they get from social media. If people spent more time researching what is "supposedly" said and less time hashtagging BlueWave2020 on social media...ya might learn something.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 28, 2020 23:13:06 GMT -5
"Trump never called Coronavirus a hoax." *Trump literally uses the word "hoax" to describe Coronavirus* "Ah well, nonetheless" except he didnt call the coronavirus a hoax, again...you either dont read or dont listen. he called the politicizing of the coronavirus a hoax. This is why people look silly when they dont do research and just post tidbits they get from social media. If people spent more time researching what is "supposedly" said and less time hashtagging BlueWave2020 on social media...ya might learn something. If he's calling the politicization of Coronavirus a hoax, that means he's saying it wasn't politicized. Do you really think that's what he's trying to express? He called it a hoax and by all accounts waited weeks, if not months, before lifting a finger. Even today he continues to blame others in his own administration for deliberate actions he's taken. This isn't complicated. He completely messed up, and hundreds of thousands (if not more) will die as a direct result.
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Post by bWo on Mar 29, 2020 1:32:33 GMT -5
China is blaming America for this virus and the American media spends their time attacking Trump for calling it the Chinese Virus instead of biting back at China and calling their bullpoop. The American reporters you seem to have a soft spot for spend more time defending China than they do America. If Trump's antics are "childish" how would you describe the media's antics? The same media that was blaming Donald Trump for someone's death because a man and a woman were dumb as poop and drank fish tank cleaner? Let's not forget that very recently NBC News correspondent Peter Alexander tossed Trump a big, easy softball of a question when he asked "What do you say to the Americans who are scared? Nearly 200 dead, 14,000 who are sick. Millions, as you witnessed, who are scared right now. What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?" A very simple question meant to calm the people and help ease us and rather than take that question and run with it for easy points, he literally replied back to him "I’d say that you’re a terrible reporter. That’s what I’d say. I think it’s a very nasty question and I think it’s a very bad signal that you’re putting out to the American people". What? A bad signal? People are looking for comfort right now and he tears into a reporter for no reason, other than its for a news company that I'm sure he doesn't think they talk favorably about him.
The opinion piece describes this perfectly: "Trump’s dismal performance should tell the American people a lot. Your president couldn’t care less about your fears for your family or your livelihood. He is more concerned about the volume of happy talk that he and enablers such as Vice President Pence can fill the airwaves with. And Trump seemingly couldn’t care less that his pronouncements and promises are little more than wishful thinking or make-believe."
So its easy to say that his antics are "childish" and we can find a lot of factual examples, but I would say that the media tries. I would also say there is some media, on both sides -- BOTH SIDES, that are truly unfair. I just happen to feel that the neutral and left leaning (not fully liberal) just happen to be right more often than not. He and his base make the media very annoying and harder than it needs to be because of all the spinning and twisting going on.
"The media tries?" Hahaha. All they've been "trying" is to bring Trump down for the last 3 1/2 years. No matter how well things were going, it was constant slings and arrows. Did you (obviously you didn't) pay attention to Russiagate? What was the media "trying" there other than to convince America that the only way Hillary could have lost is with outside interference. How'd that work out for the media? What was the media trying to do during his impeachment trial other than convince America Trump was guilty until proven innocent? Was that fair and honest journalism? How'd that work out for the media? Were they right? What about just recently when Trump said they've had some success with (whatever the drug was called) the anti-malaria drug that they were going to look into and the media asks him, "Do you think it's right of you to be spreading FALSE HOPE like this?" Yeah. Not HOPE...….. FALSE HOPE. What's the media trying to do there? No matter what he says the left twists his words and tries to spin it. If Trump walked on water the left would say he can't swim. If those on the left were "right most of the time" Trump would be out of office several times over. He's not though, because they AREN'T "right most of the time." They're petty, sore losers and Trump calls them out to their face. They can either admit he's right (never gonna happen) or they can just continue the fake news campaign and do things like completely ignore the fact that China is blaming America for the sickness and death this virus has brought to the planet. Is the media "right" for doing that?
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Post by bWo on Mar 29, 2020 1:52:14 GMT -5
February 28, 2020-Coronavirus was the Democrats next hoax. March 28, 2020-At least 115,000 confirmed cases with no sign of the spread slowing down anytime soon. That tells you everything you need to know about which way to vote come November. Perhaps you oughta try reading more than a headline on CNN (I'm guessing) for the whole story before you spread lies and misinformation. I mean it's too late this time, but perhaps in the future try reading. Trump didn't say it was a hoax, he said the democrats would politicize it into a hoax to damage his campaign. After it was announced that America had the most cases in the world, Hillary Clinton posted on twitter, Really? She doesn't first and foremost call bulls1t on the fact that basically EVERYONE knows China is lying about their numbers. Nope. Ignores that. Doesn't take into account that people across America are sick and dying from this, INCLUDING HER OWN VOTERS. Nope. Didn't even cross her mind. America (along with the rest of the world) will be crippled from this. She didn't give a f*ck about any of that. This was a chance (if you're a complete f*cking moron) to take a shot at Trump and try to hurt his re-election chances. Forget the truth. Forget the sick and dying people. Those are democrat tactics. And you're right, people already know which way to vote come September because of exactly that kind of bullpoop.
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Post by bWo on Mar 29, 2020 2:07:33 GMT -5
except he didnt call the coronavirus a hoax, again...you either dont read or dont listen. he called the politicizing of the coronavirus a hoax. This is why people look silly when they dont do research and just post tidbits they get from social media. If people spent more time researching what is "supposedly" said and less time hashtagging BlueWave2020 on social media...ya might learn something. If he's calling the politicization of Coronavirus a hoax, that means he's saying it wasn't politicized. Do you really think that's what he's trying to express? He called it a hoax and by all accounts waited weeks, if not months, before lifting a finger. Even today he continues to blame others in his own administration for deliberate actions he's taken. This isn't complicated. He completely messed up, and hundreds of thousands (if not more) will die as a direct result. 1. Your semantics are boring. 2. Of course he waited. Every country waited. Nobody knew what was going to happen, and nobody expected China was going to lie their ass off when it came time to hand out information. 3. Orange man bad. Sure. What about EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD? They're all in the same boat. You're acting like there was a playbook here and Trump threw it in the garbage. Who's the poop for brains that didn't close the beaches in Florida as thousands of COMPLETE F*CKING IDIOTS showed up for Spring Break? Don's fault too I guess huh?
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Post by bWo on Mar 29, 2020 2:20:29 GMT -5
I wish people would actually listen to speeches/interviews & not just random tweets to justify their "opinion". Trump has never called the coronavirus itself a hoax. He said the democrats would make it their next hoax ala politicizing it. (he likes using the term hoax, I dunno) Which is exactly what they've done. Everything they've tried to throw at Trump to get him impeached and/or out of office for the last 4 years has failed absolutely miserably to the point they're laughing stocks. Now they're politicizing the virus to try and damage the Trump Admin. Ill never be 100% behind Trump (although I did and will vote for him again) and I may be moderate/moderate leaning when it comes to most social issues, but until the left loses the pettiness & changes their stance on economic views I cant see any reason for me to vote Democrat. Oh, I think Trump has handled it decently after getting his head out of his ass at the beginning of the month. But he's so gung-ho about reopening everything on Easter, same day China is reopening with restrictions. Difference is, so far as we know the worst of it is over in China for now. We went from 82k to 100k in 24 hours. Pittsburgh and Philly are raising the curve faster than New York City and Seattle did when you consider first cases and basic percentages, especially considering the population difference. Louisiana is literally exploding. Michigan is about to. New York and Washington show no signs of slowing. Two weeks isn't going to change that. So I went from hating him, to thinking he was doing decent, back to thinking he's in his own world again as he was at the start of the month. Nobody believes that. I agree 100% about Easter. Too f*cken soon. I know Christianity is the number 1 religion in America. Trump isn't a good book carrying Bible thumper, but he is religious and mentions God a lot. I think he was trying to shoot for Easter because of the "resurrection" aspect. Things get really bad before they get better kind of mindset. Problem is "better" is way too soon.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Mar 29, 2020 7:17:44 GMT -5
February 28, 2020-Coronavirus was the Democrats next hoax. March 28, 2020-At least 115,000 confirmed cases with no sign of the spread slowing down anytime soon. That tells you everything you need to know about which way to vote come November. Basing your vote on a disease that literally nobody would have been ready for seems extremely biased at best. The only way to truly beat this virus is to shut down everything (everything!) And leave people to fend for themselves. The left is eating this up because they got lucky enough to not be in charge when it happened. We would be no better off. It's funny how people think we would magically be prepared for job and revenue loss of this kind, dramatic increase in sick people, shortage of necessities and people would listen to stay at home orders JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE WAS PRESIDENT.
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Post by Nick the Quick on Mar 29, 2020 7:31:50 GMT -5
Oh, I think Trump has handled it decently after getting his head out of his ass at the beginning of the month. But he's so gung-ho about reopening everything on Easter, same day China is reopening with restrictions. Difference is, so far as we know the worst of it is over in China for now. We went from 82k to 100k in 24 hours. Pittsburgh and Philly are raising the curve faster than New York City and Seattle did when you consider first cases and basic percentages, especially considering the population difference. Louisiana is literally exploding. Michigan is about to. New York and Washington show no signs of slowing. Two weeks isn't going to change that. So I went from hating him, to thinking he was doing decent, back to thinking he's in his own world again as he was at the start of the month. Things certainly dont need to be reopened and honestly I think there needs to be more of a crackdown on what is "essential". I do think things need to be taken seriously but I also do believe there's a bit of "mass hysteria" going on thats being fueled by the media. That being said I think the outcry of hysteria once the US numbers started to climbed and pointing the blame about them towards Trump is laughable. Anyone with any lick of remote common sense knew that the US would eventually have one of the top 1-3 highest totals of this virus regardless of what any sitting President, regardless of party, had done. We've got the 3rd largest population, we the 2nd most traveling country and lets be honest we're likely the most unhealthy population of any established civilization. The problem is so many places, at least around my area near Pittsburgh, have found loopholes to be considered “essential” and remain open. Guess what, a few of them have now been forced to shut down for two weeks due to an employee testing positive. Opening the country back up by Easter is insane and not possible. Memorial Day would be more realistic, but far from a guarantee. It was inevitable that coronavirus would make it way here, problem is Trump was warned about it months ago and failed to act, that is a fact, not speculation. If actions were taken back then, maybe the spread wouldn’t be as bad. I’ll admit, he probably didn’t realize the spread would get this out of control, then again, I don’t think any of us did. Social distancing will show signs of being effective it’s just going to take time to see it. Numbers will continue to skyrocket for a while due to the increased number of people being tested, people don’t think clearly and realize things will get worse before they get better, they just like to panic.
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Post by johnnyb on Mar 29, 2020 10:12:47 GMT -5
Arguing with hardcore Trump supporters is equal parts pointless and bizarre. Incredible.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Mar 29, 2020 10:27:59 GMT -5
Arguing with hardcore Trump supporters is equal parts pointless and bizarre. Incredible. They did seem to get real defensive all of a sudden, always in waves too. That's why I post not to directly reach them, but to provide a counter for the benefit anyone following along.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 10:42:32 GMT -5
Things certainly dont need to be reopened and honestly I think there needs to be more of a crackdown on what is "essential". I do think things need to be taken seriously but I also do believe there's a bit of "mass hysteria" going on thats being fueled by the media. That being said I think the outcry of hysteria once the US numbers started to climbed and pointing the blame about them towards Trump is laughable. Anyone with any lick of remote common sense knew that the US would eventually have one of the top 1-3 highest totals of this virus regardless of what any sitting President, regardless of party, had done. We've got the 3rd largest population, we the 2nd most traveling country and lets be honest we're likely the most unhealthy population of any established civilization. The problem is so many places, at least around my area near Pittsburgh, have found loopholes to be considered “essential” and remain open. Guess what, a few of them have now been forced to shut down for two weeks due to an employee testing positive. Opening the country back up by Easter is insane and not possible. Memorial Day would be more realistic, but far from a guarantee. It was inevitable that coronavirus would make it way here, problem is Trump was warned about it months ago and failed to act, that is a fact, not speculation. If actions were taken back then, maybe the spread wouldn’t be as bad. I’ll admit, he probably didn’t realize the spread would get this out of control, then again, I don’t think any of us did. Social distancing will show signs of being effective it’s just going to take time to see it. Numbers will continue to skyrocket for a while due to the increased number of people being tested, people don’t think clearly and realize things will get worse before they get better, they just like to panic. This. All of this. Especially considering I only live a hop, skip, and jump from you and we're experiencing the same crap with Wolf, Peduto, Fitzgerald etc.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Mar 29, 2020 10:53:31 GMT -5
Every time SCT posts in here I expect it to be a post about him locking this thread.
Anyways, my prediction is that much like 2016, 2020 will be having to choose between the shiniest of two turds.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 10:59:42 GMT -5
Every time SCT posts in here I expect it to be a post about him locking this thread. Anyways, my prediction is that much like 2016, 2020 will be having to choose between the shiniest of two turds. One question I have, how the hell you know the initials? XD And point one, there's been no reason to lock it. It's politics. Things get heated, but while there is leeway, there's also a line. Haven't gotten there yet.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 12:15:55 GMT -5
I say this with a very uneasy mindset, because I don't USUALLY care for career politicians.
Fellow Democrats, and moderates/left leaning Republicans who are against Trump. Given there's no chance Sanders, Biden, or Gabbard hit the magic number, we WILL have a contested convention. Would you consider it acceptable for the DNC to issue a draft recommendation for Andrew Cuomo as the nominee?
Dude is establishment. He's probably the same as Biden was back in 2008. But he's proving he can stand toe to toe with Trump. His handling of New York through this has been superb. Polls have been showing of all the very public officials handling the crisis, that Cuomo, nationwide, is just behind Dr. Fausci at the top. The bottom is Trump, with the Surgeon General and hilariously Tom Wolf rounding out the ten at the bottom.
Might be worth the bullet bite. I will never vote for Biden. Until the last week, I was actually considering voting Trump just because once he got his head out of his ass, he was doing pretty good for a couple of weeks. But after hearing Trump erroneously say Easter, we don't need ventilators, and slamming Inslee for a reasonable question during the Governor's meeting...I will just write in Bernie. But if Cuomo can be drafted, I'll be willing to hold my nose.
Times like this show what leaders truly are.
As much as I dislike them, Bush and Giuliani were who America needed after 9/11.
While I wasn't a huge fan, Obama was who America needed after the crash in 08.
And while I'm not going to say he's great, along with Fausci, Cuomo may be just who we need to get over this hump and deal with the ramifications in the aftermath when this is over.
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Post by slappy on Mar 29, 2020 12:26:10 GMT -5
How is Cuomo going to run NY's response to Corona and run for President? If he wants to be President then he should have run in the primary. Though he probably wouldn't have made it very far. Cuomo has his own issues. I saw people say Bernie has not been vetted but Cuomo hasn't even scratched the surface of vetting. You wouldn't want an October surprise.
They hate Trump for his screaming and yelling and big personality but Cuomo is the exact same in that regard. The man's a New Yorker too. Bernie was also a New Yorker. I think they are all like that there.
I'd still vote for Trump over Cuomo.
I agree with Bernie on some policies so I would have actually had to weigh the pros and cons of him and Trump before I decided which way I'd vote.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 12:33:51 GMT -5
How is Cuomo going to run NY's response to Corona and run for President? If he wants to be President then he should have run in the primary. Though he probably wouldn't have made it very far. Cuomo has his own issues. I saw people say Bernie has not been vetted but Cuomo hasn't even scratched the surface of vetting. You wouldn't want an October surprise. They hate Trump for his screaming and yelling and big personality but Cuomo is the exact same in that regard. The man's a New Yorker too. Bernie was also a New Yorker. I think they are all like that there. I'd still vote for Trump over Cuomo. I agree with Bernie on some policies so I would have actually had to weigh the pros and cons of him and Trump before I decided which way I'd vote. Because at this point, what campaigning does he need to do? He's on CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera...basically what got Biden his boost since he's done minimal campaigning and it showed up until Super Tuesday. Don't forget FDR was dealing with an unmitigated disaster in New York when he got the nomination. Kathy Hochul is doing phenomenal as well as Cuomo's second in command. Should Cuomo get elected, he got some seriously good pieces in place so New York doesn't get left behind. Dude may be a career politician, but he's very strategic when it comes to who is in his circle.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Mar 29, 2020 12:36:29 GMT -5
bad guy™ As if anyone needs more excuses to claim the media is biased... Gabbard suspended her campaign and endorsed Biden, by the way. Surprised the heck outta me.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 12:38:56 GMT -5
bad guy™ As if anyone needs more excuses to claim the media is biased... Gabbard suspended her campaign and endorsed Biden, by the way. Surprised the heck outta me. I assumed she'd keep running until she forgot she was running. Point still stands. No way Biden nor Bernie hit the number, hence the drafting question.
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Post by slappy on Mar 29, 2020 12:51:14 GMT -5
How is Cuomo going to run NY's response to Corona and run for President? If he wants to be President then he should have run in the primary. Though he probably wouldn't have made it very far. Cuomo has his own issues. I saw people say Bernie has not been vetted but Cuomo hasn't even scratched the surface of vetting. You wouldn't want an October surprise. They hate Trump for his screaming and yelling and big personality but Cuomo is the exact same in that regard. The man's a New Yorker too. Bernie was also a New Yorker. I think they are all like that there. I'd still vote for Trump over Cuomo. I agree with Bernie on some policies so I would have actually had to weigh the pros and cons of him and Trump before I decided which way I'd vote. Because at this point, what campaigning does he need to do? He's on CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera...basically what got Biden his boost since he's done minimal campaigning and it showed up until Super Tuesday. Don't forget FDR was dealing with an unmitigated disaster in New York when he got the nomination. Kathy Hochul is doing phenomenal as well as Cuomo's second in command. Should Cuomo get elected, he got some seriously good pieces in place so New York doesn't get left behind. Dude may be a career politician, but he's very strategic when it comes to who is in his circle. A new poll shows 15% of Bernie supporters will vote for Trump against Biden and 5% won't vote. I don't see Cuomo getting that 20%. If Biden drops out at the convention and his delegates don't go to Bernie, I think that number will rise. Back when FDR was running campaigning wasn't like it is now.
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Post by bad guy™ on Mar 29, 2020 13:09:55 GMT -5
Because at this point, what campaigning does he need to do? He's on CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera...basically what got Biden his boost since he's done minimal campaigning and it showed up until Super Tuesday. Don't forget FDR was dealing with an unmitigated disaster in New York when he got the nomination. Kathy Hochul is doing phenomenal as well as Cuomo's second in command. Should Cuomo get elected, he got some seriously good pieces in place so New York doesn't get left behind. Dude may be a career politician, but he's very strategic when it comes to who is in his circle. A new poll shows 15% of Bernie supporters will vote for Trump against Biden and 5% won't vote. I don't see Cuomo getting that 20%. If Biden drops out at the convention and his delegates don't go to Bernie, I think that number will rise. Back when FDR was running campaigning wasn't like it is now. If Bernie can sway his voters to Cuomo if he gives concessions to Bernie's ideas once Bernie gets out on the first ballot, maybe?
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