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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 18, 2020 8:00:52 GMT -5
People need to get some common sense and realize that this virus will not be completely eliminated anytime soon, if ever. That’s why extending this lockdown is ridiculous. States tell people they can’t work, yet millions of people across the country haven’t received one unemployment check yet. This is creating economic turmoil that can’t be reversed for many people. We have a billionaire governor in Illinois telling us he’s choosing lives over livelihoods, but what kind of livelihood is left when people cannot pay bills and will eventually loose their homes once the lockdowns end and evictions continue.
Whenever this lockdown ends, cases will spike again. There’s no way around it. I’m all for taking precautions, but those claiming “it’s the apocalypse, lock everyone in their homes” need to come back to reality and realize life isn’t black and white like that.
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Post by taker on Apr 18, 2020 8:23:00 GMT -5
People in England are driving in the night to there second home(holiday home) if the police pull them they check to see if they have lugage but they've got round it they've already sent there clothes before setting off buy parcel. there's loads of people in this country familys living in one bedroom bed sits. The Welsh had the right idea years ago the English were buying up second homes in wales. so when the Welsh were starting familys they had to move away from there family and friends even there country. so what did they do they burn't all there houses down motto if I can't have it your not having it.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 18, 2020 10:15:21 GMT -5
This is what I've also beem saying since day one. They longer this goes on, the chances of violence, crime, and full blown collapse rise. The economic impact WILL be worse in the long run. When people see the words "economic impact" you'll be accused of putting money ahead of human lives by people who don't realize (or don't want to realize) that there are lives attached to the economy. On the flip side, It's a poop storm out there. Adding more people seems like it would be akin to adding gas to a fire. That is true, but that's not how I mean it. I don't think that most people who bring up the case for ending the lockdown mean it that way either. That's one of the biggest issues that I have with the public's reaction. They're looking at deaths in a vacuum, not looking at the other impacts AT ALL, and accusing everyone who brings up anything other than potentially indefinite lockdown as not caring about human life. That's a very narrow-minded view. Its also a weak, cheap argument that's difficult to defend against when rather than hear you out people bombard you with death statistics. The truth is that this is a very complex problem that should've and could've been handled MUCH better than just shutting everything down in a knee-jerk reaction. Although now it's far too late for that, what's done is done. Even if everything reopened tomorrow we're f#cked for years, some people potentially irreparably. I'm not saying open everything tomorrow either. What I'm saying is that we need to start the reparation process sooner than later. Reopening the country should include a targeted, carefully considered strategy including a full-thronged risk management procedure that includes consideration of acceptable levels of residual risk. Much like what should've been done initially there should be a team of experts working around the clock, leveraging all-source data to come up with potential solutions rather than the willy-nilly, limited factor approach that is seemingly being taken. I would go out on a limb and say that this sudden, uncoordinated knee-jerk lockdown was the second worst possible approach (with complete inaction being the worst). To end this, there's no sense in pointing fingers anymore, we're long past that. The issue now is no longer just the virus, it's making sure that we all can bounce back from this on the other side without hundreds of thousands being left to pick up the shattered pieces of their life with nothing more than a 1200 dollar check and a 'sucks for you, we appreciate your sacrifice' as they look through a valley of uncertainty thinking 'I thought we were all in this together'
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 18, 2020 10:33:42 GMT -5
bWo I respect your thoughts, and I know that I think differently than others regarding this whole mess. I will say two things. The wise elderly generation was a way to express the feeling that they have more to provide for humanity than say the "ok boomer" kids whom think that they are right always and old folks should get out of the way. Not saying that is anyone here, just of some I have heard of. Lastly, yes, I am OCD, and have germaphobia. I have a ton on my shoulders, and this virus has created a tipping point for me mentally, more than what I already was dealing with in my world. I was talking about how it affects me, and probably a lot of others, as to relate with anyone else feeling the same. This is one of my only avenues to connect with people. I don't fault anyone's opinions, and know people are just going about what they think is right. This is an amazing forum full of unique individuals. I try to contribute by positing questions, or at the very least something others might share the feeling of in this thread. It is the only thing I feel I can do to help, even just myself, during this time of crisis.... May everyone stay unscathed, VPV
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 18, 2020 13:05:03 GMT -5
Well, I had a bad day yesterday.
My peer specialist, who is a type of home visit mental health worker, is still being forced by her boss to work in the field. I told her when all this went down that I didn't feel comfortable having her around. She called me last week begging to have a visit because everyone is cancelling on her and she isn't getting paid for time she doesn't put with clients. She told me "I got COVID tested, I'm clean". This was last week. We agreed on an appointment, but the only time she had for me was yesterday.
Cue me spending a week fretting about it.
Then, yesterday, she not only has the nerve to show up 2 hours late but isn't wearing any type of mask. When I give her one, she complains saying "It fogs up my glasses." I tell her it isn't my problem, and if she's at my house she has to wear it. She mocked me for having the "luxury" of contacts but put it on. She then, over the course of the appointment, fiddled with it constantly and complained, repeatedly pulling the mask down off her nose and above her mouth.
By the time she left, I was so done. When I called my parents (both in their 70s) to tell them what had happened, they told me that until I quarantine out of infection possibility, they aren't coming into my house for any reason. I'm lucky I'm still welcome there.
It should be noted that this same peer had a severe case of the flu back in February, and didn't tell me until midway through an appointment with me. I'm pretty sure the only reason I didn't catch that is I had the flu shot.
I enjoy my meetings with my peer, I really do. But if her boss isn't going to give her paid time off during crises, I fear I may need to find a new provider.
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Post by bWo on Apr 19, 2020 11:03:40 GMT -5
When people see the words "economic impact" you'll be accused of putting money ahead of human lives by people who don't realize (or don't want to realize) that there are lives attached to the economy. On the flip side, It's a poop storm out there. Adding more people seems like it would be akin to adding gas to a fire. That is true, but that's not how I mean it. I don't think that most people who bring up the case for ending the lockdown mean it that way either. That's one of the biggest issues that I have with the public's reaction. They're looking at deaths in a vacuum, not looking at the other impacts AT ALL, and accusing everyone who brings up anything other than potentially indefinite lockdown as not caring about human life. That's a very narrow-minded view. Its also a weak, cheap argument that's difficult to defend against when rather than hear you out people bombard you with death statistics. The truth is that this is a very complex problem that should've and could've been handled MUCH better than just shutting everything down in a knee-jerk reaction. Although now it's far too late for that, what's done is done. Even if everything reopened tomorrow we're f#cked for years, some people potentially irreparably. I'm not saying open everything tomorrow either. What I'm saying is that we need to start the reparation process sooner than later. Reopening the country should include a targeted, carefully considered strategy including a full-thronged risk management procedure that includes consideration of acceptable levels of residual risk. Much like what should've been done initially there should be a team of experts working around the clock, leveraging all-source data to come up with potential solutions rather than the willy-nilly, limited factor approach that is seemingly being taken. I would go out on a limb and say that this sudden, uncoordinated knee-jerk lockdown was the second worst possible approach (with complete inaction being the worst). To end this, there's no sense in pointing fingers anymore, we're long past that. The issue now is no longer just the virus, it's making sure that we all can bounce back from this on the other side without hundreds of thousands being left to pick up the shattered pieces of their life with nothing more than a 1200 dollar check and a 'sucks for you, we appreciate your sacrifice' as they look through a valley of uncertainty thinking 'I thought we were all in this together' It's easy to say what the plan should include, but putting it together, implementing it, and having people abide by it is much more complex. Simply making people wait this thing out has definitely started to hit its limits. Extending it is almost going to guarantee that the social unrest grows. Viruses have always been a problem, but humans have always been humanity's greatest villain. I think things need to be opened up again and we have to rely on our own immune systems until they find something resembling a vaccine. I agree, if people are truly worried about body counts than they can't be near sighted here.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 19, 2020 22:31:20 GMT -5
Well, I had a bad day yesterday. My peer specialist, who is a type of home visit mental health worker, is still being forced by her boss to work in the field. I told her when all this went down that I didn't feel comfortable having her around. She called me last week begging to have a visit because everyone is cancelling on her and she isn't getting paid for time she doesn't put with clients. She told me "I got COVID tested, I'm clean". This was last week. We agreed on an appointment, but the only time she had for me was yesterday. Cue me spending a week fretting about it. Then, yesterday, she not only has the nerve to show up 2 hours late but isn't wearing any type of mask. When I give her one, she complains saying "It fogs up my glasses." I tell her it isn't my problem, and if she's at my house she has to wear it. She mocked me for having the "luxury" of contacts but put it on. She then, over the course of the appointment, fiddled with it constantly and complained, repeatedly pulling the mask down off her nose and above her mouth. By the time she left, I was so done. When I called my parents (both in their 70s) to tell them what had happened, they told me that until I quarantine out of infection possibility, they aren't coming into my house for any reason. I'm lucky I'm still welcome there. It should be noted that this same peer had a severe case of the flu back in February, and didn't tell me until midway through an appointment with me. I'm pretty sure the only reason I didn't catch that is I had the flu shot. I enjoy my meetings with my peer, I really do. But if her boss isn't going to give her paid time off during crises, I fear I may need to find a new provider. There is no way that she was following protocols. I'm assuming that her salary is being funded by either your city/county or your state. At this point, a mask is almost certainly mandatory for her, if not that plus gloves and sanitizer in her vehicle. It's a new and frustrating era for health care workers, but these precautions can't be circumvented while the virus is still raging.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Apr 20, 2020 11:20:43 GMT -5
Why won't these protesters show how tough and brave they are by marching thru an overpacked ICU or a nursing home?
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Post by shanieomaniac on Apr 20, 2020 11:58:29 GMT -5
Well, I had a bad day yesterday. My peer specialist, who is a type of home visit mental health worker, is still being forced by her boss to work in the field. I told her when all this went down that I didn't feel comfortable having her around. She called me last week begging to have a visit because everyone is cancelling on her and she isn't getting paid for time she doesn't put with clients. She told me "I got COVID tested, I'm clean". This was last week. We agreed on an appointment, but the only time she had for me was yesterday. Cue me spending a week fretting about it. Then, yesterday, she not only has the nerve to show up 2 hours late but isn't wearing any type of mask. When I give her one, she complains saying "It fogs up my glasses." I tell her it isn't my problem, and if she's at my house she has to wear it. She mocked me for having the "luxury" of contacts but put it on. She then, over the course of the appointment, fiddled with it constantly and complained, repeatedly pulling the mask down off her nose and above her mouth. By the time she left, I was so done. When I called my parents (both in their 70s) to tell them what had happened, they told me that until I quarantine out of infection possibility, they aren't coming into my house for any reason. I'm lucky I'm still welcome there. It should be noted that this same peer had a severe case of the flu back in February, and didn't tell me until midway through an appointment with me. I'm pretty sure the only reason I didn't catch that is I had the flu shot. I enjoy my meetings with my peer, I really do. But if her boss isn't going to give her paid time off during crises, I fear I may need to find a new provider. There is no way that she was following protocols. I'm assuming that her salary is being funded by either your city/county or your state. At this point, a mask is almost certainly mandatory for her, if not that plus gloves and sanitizer in her vehicle. It's a new and frustrating era for health care workers, but these precautions can't be circumvented while the virus is still raging. Well, I know she wasn't following state protocols, but her office has shown they don't care. I read an article last week that cancer patients can barely get chemo right now, and her office is still telling patients if they want a therapy appointment, they need to physically come to the office meet face to face. On top of that, she sent me a highly suspect text this morning which was worded very poorly and had me panicking for hours, until she got back to me and said she only wanted to know where I had been recently for her records, not because I was exposed. This whole pandemic, and everything surrounding it is a S**tshow. Between people standing in front of city buildings with signs reading "I WANT A HAIRCUT", to jackholes blockading ambulances. It's absurd. People are so entitled and useless these days. I'd love to these people spend a month in the shoes of a disabled individual. Think the movie theater being closed is a travesty? BOOM, now you can't use your legs. Protest that, you sorry SOBs.
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Post by bWo on Apr 20, 2020 19:33:46 GMT -5
bWo I respect your thoughts, and I know that I think differently than others regarding this whole mess. I will say two things. The wise elderly generation was a way to express the feeling that they have more to provide for humanity than say the "ok boomer" kids whom think that they are right always and old folks should get out of the way. Not saying that is anyone here, just of some I have heard of. Lastly, yes, I am OCD, and have germaphobia. I have a ton on my shoulders, and this virus has created a tipping point for me mentally, more than what I already was dealing with in my world. I was talking about how it affects me, and probably a lot of others, as to relate with anyone else feeling the same. This is one of my only avenues to connect with people. I don't fault anyone's opinions, and know people are just going about what they think is right. This is an amazing forum full of unique individuals. I try to contribute by positing questions, or at the very least something others might share the feeling of in this thread. It is the only thing I feel I can do to help, even just myself, during this time of crisis.... May everyone stay unscathed, VPV Haha. It wasn't a random guess. I've lived on the 12th floor in my apartment for 8 years. I walk up and down the stairs because I don't know what I'll do if I get on an elevator with someone and they start coughing or sneezing. When I'm out of my apartment I hold my breath if I walk past people and slow my breathing if I have to be around people. The idea of "social distancing" is almost comical to me. I've always gone to my 24 hour grocery store at 3-4am because I know few people to nobody will be there. I carry my own pen around with me just in case because I don't want to touch anyone else's. I know all about the crazy. One thing I've realized over the years is that I raaaaaaaarely actually get sick. I've got a good immune system, but adding the germy aspect is like having a second bulletproof vest on. The idea of germs and bacteria trying to invade me is always a sickening feeling, but being a germaphobe always automatically keeps me on my toes with my guard up. I don't actually fear the affects of getting sick. I never think I'll get sick. I don't mean that like I run around and lick things, I mean it like I take so many precautions that I always feel one step ahead. Germs and their never ending quest to infect me and turn me into a breeding ground of filth is what bothers me endlessly. They will keep coming, but they'll keep losing while they try to get through my defense. I don't know what your situation is like, but if possible you should try to take a similar approach. The germs that are after you are after everyone, but you're doing WAY MORE than those people are to fight back and are better off for it.
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Post by WWF Sim Fed on Apr 21, 2020 8:47:08 GMT -5
We are getting there....
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 21, 2020 9:24:02 GMT -5
We've had 3 straight days of decreasing numbers of cases. Not sure that means much.
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Post by bad guy™ on Apr 21, 2020 9:56:46 GMT -5
We've had 3 straight days of decreasing numbers of cases. Not sure that means much. They're running low on tests, and a decent chunk of the actual sick population has been tested, for better or worse. The predominant issue now is finding the asymptomatic people and getting them tested before they give it to someone who isn't asymptomatic or immune, and has just been lucky. China is reentering lockdown because of a resurgence. Iran too. And while they're more densely packed than the US, we're gonna be hella worse because of dingi who don't care. Another thing that has yet to be confirmed or denied is if someone has been infected, if they can contract the virus again or not. I haven't heard of anyone getting sick multiple times outside of China, but that's also us relying on data from China.
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Post by vampiroporvida on Apr 21, 2020 11:43:00 GMT -5
We've had 3 straight days of decreasing numbers of cases. Not sure that means much. They're running low on tests, and a decent chunk of the actual sick population has been tested, for better or worse. The predominant issue now is finding the asymptomatic people and getting them tested before they give it to someone who isn't asymptomatic or immune, and has just been lucky. China is reentering lockdown because of a resurgence. Iran too. And while they're more densely packed than the US, we're gonna be hella worse because of dingi who don't care. Another thing that has yet to be confirmed or denied is if someone has been infected, if they can contract the virus again or not. I haven't heard of anyone getting sick multiple times outside of China, but that's also us relying on data from China. The last I heard was that we should have a month or so of immunity once contracting it and recovering, but that also may be like the flu and only cover the strain for which you were infected (given there is that much variation on receptors, which I do not know).
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 21, 2020 22:46:26 GMT -5
We've had 3 straight days of decreasing numbers of cases. Not sure that means much. They're running low on tests, and a decent chunk of the actual sick population has been tested, for better or worse. The predominant issue now is finding the asymptomatic people and getting them tested before they give it to someone who isn't asymptomatic or immune, and has just been lucky. China is reentering lockdown because of a resurgence. Iran too. And while they're more densely packed than the US, we're gonna be hella worse because of dingi who don't care. Another thing that has yet to be confirmed or denied is if someone has been infected, if they can contract the virus again or not. I haven't heard of anyone getting sick multiple times outside of China, but that's also us relying on data from China. The CDC director said that this coming winter might have a COVID wave that's worse than the current one. I'm writing off any vacation and public event plans for the rest of this year. Between the forecast of multiple waves of this and the projected timeline of a vaccine, it's very likely that any semblance of the pre-COVID normality is a couple of years away.
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Post by bWo on Apr 21, 2020 23:12:21 GMT -5
They're running low on tests, and a decent chunk of the actual sick population has been tested, for better or worse. The predominant issue now is finding the asymptomatic people and getting them tested before they give it to someone who isn't asymptomatic or immune, and has just been lucky. China is reentering lockdown because of a resurgence. Iran too. And while they're more densely packed than the US, we're gonna be hella worse because of dingi who don't care. Another thing that has yet to be confirmed or denied is if someone has been infected, if they can contract the virus again or not. I haven't heard of anyone getting sick multiple times outside of China, but that's also us relying on data from China. The CDC director said that this coming winter might have a COVID wave that's worse than the current one. I'm writing off any vacation and public event plans for the rest of this year. Between the forecast of multiple waves of this and the projected timeline of a vaccine, it's very likely that any semblance of the pre-COVID normality is a couple of years away. Society won't last another "couple of years" at this rate.
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Post by Nivro™ on Apr 21, 2020 23:12:41 GMT -5
Appears our state is "opening" back up May 1st, at least in majority of areas. I fully expect to see a small spike in Nashville Metro & Memphis cause well....those people are ing idiots....but I fully expect everywhere else to go on as business as usual while still doing the social distancing stuff.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 21, 2020 23:57:26 GMT -5
The CDC director said that this coming winter might have a COVID wave that's worse than the current one. I'm writing off any vacation and public event plans for the rest of this year. Between the forecast of multiple waves of this and the projected timeline of a vaccine, it's very likely that any semblance of the pre-COVID normality is a couple of years away. Society won't last another "couple of years" at this rate. We're going to have to learn how to operate much differently than before the pandemic. I expect many businesses will choose to keep the minimal-interaction model, and others will keep certain restrictions on their customers for safety. I don't expect any college sports for the rest of the year, and pro sports, if they try to resume, will do so with empty arenas/stadiums. Even when local/state governments lift restrictions, many shows/gatherings/events will still be canceled out of fear or sparse attendance. Until there is a widely-available vaccine, the virus makes society's rules.
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Post by BoJack Hogan on Apr 22, 2020 12:09:03 GMT -5
Society won't last another "couple of years" at this rate. We're going to have to learn how to operate much differently than before the pandemic. I expect many businesses will choose to keep the minimal-interaction model, and others will keep certain restrictions on their customers for safety. I don't expect any college sports for the rest of the year, and pro sports, if they try to resume, will do so with empty arenas/stadiums. Even when local/state governments lift restrictions, many shows/gatherings/events will still be canceled out of fear or sparse attendance. Until there is a widely-available vaccine, the virus makes society's rules. Society will not adapt. You're fooling yourself if you think there won't be riots, suicides, addiction, alcoholism, looting, crime, and malicious noncompliance. Hell, people don't even try to stay 6 feet away at the supermarket ffs, there's no way that this is sustainable long term, at least not in it's current form. If anything they're going to have to loosen and tighten and loosen and tighten or start financially making everyone whole (which is highly unlikely if not impossible considering that businesses are already folding left and right). If everyone just stayed out of everyone's way and exercised a little day to day patience while taking extra precautions we might have gotten by without closing absolutely everything. Speaking of which.... Tennessee, Georgia, and any other states that are opening, good luck and Godspeed. Please try your best to take precautions. Live, but don't be careless. If your states become nuclear corona hotspots rife with death and overwhelmed hospitals, the rest of us are all f#cked for a looong time. I think it's a little early, but I'm rooting for you guys. For better or worse, what happens next in this country will depend on what happens in your states. I don't know if this is a compliment, but...thanks for being guinea pigs....I guess? Signed: a disgruntled guy from California who fully expects his state to be among the last opened no matter what.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Apr 22, 2020 12:24:59 GMT -5
We're going to have to learn how to operate much differently than before the pandemic. I expect many businesses will choose to keep the minimal-interaction model, and others will keep certain restrictions on their customers for safety. I don't expect any college sports for the rest of the year, and pro sports, if they try to resume, will do so with empty arenas/stadiums. Even when local/state governments lift restrictions, many shows/gatherings/events will still be canceled out of fear or sparse attendance. Until there is a widely-available vaccine, the virus makes society's rules. Society will not adapt. You're fooling yourself if you think there won't be riots, suicides, addiction, alcoholism, looting, crime, and malicious noncompliance. Hell, people don't even try to stay 6 feet away at the supermarket ffs, there's no way that this is sustainable long term, at least not in it's current form. If anything they're going to have to loosen and tighten and loosen and tighten or start financially making everyone whole (which is highly unlikely if not impossible considering that businesses are already folding left and right). If everyone just stayed out of everyone's way and exercised a little day to day patience while taking extra precautions we might have gotten by without closing absolutely everything. Speaking of which.... Tennessee, Georgia, and any other states that are opening, good luck and Godspeed. Please try your best to take precautions. Live, but don't be careless. If your states become nuclear corona hotspots rife with death and overwhelmed hospitals, the rest of us are all f#cked for a looong time. I think it's a little early, but I'm rooting for you guys. For better or worse, what happens next in this country will depend on what happens in your states. I don't know if this is a compliment, but...thanks for being guinea pigs....I guess? Signed: a disgruntled guy from California who fully expects his state to be among the last opened no matter what. California? The place that has linked every single product in existence to causing cancer? Yeah. See you in 2030 dude.
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