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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 20:43:29 GMT -5
Kenny Omega is in AEW so I figured I'd put this here.
Jim Cornette hates basically everything in pro wrestling after 1989, anything not territorial and sports-like. To some degree I get it. He’s against the cartoony gimmicks of '80s WWF, radical violence of ECW, the unrealistic moves of TNA and ROH, crazy storylines anywhere, wild flips anywhere, and the work of the Young Bucks and Omega today. But when I watch Omega/Okada, Meltzer’s seven-star match from NJPW Dominion 6.9 - a match Jim Ross also loved - I don’t see crazy spots or unrealistic flips. What could Cornette have against the good stuff Omega does? Wrestling a kid and a blow-up doll I get, but what’s wrong with Omega’s good work?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 20:47:44 GMT -5
Cornette is just the old man yelling at the kids on his lawn. I think it's a personal thing because Omega has had some awesome matches
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Post by snowjorden on Jun 9, 2020 21:37:35 GMT -5
I don’t see crazy spots or unrealistic flips. What could Cornette have against the good stuff Omega does? Wrestling a kid and a blow-up doll I get, but what’s wrong with Omega’s good work? Do you listen to either of Jim's podcasts? Just asking, because if you do/did, you'd not need to ask another's opinion on Jim's thoughts/feelings. Then again, I'm an official member of the Cult of Cornette, a Cornette School of Wrestling Knowledge Patreon subscriber as well as a listener to each of Cornys shows, within the hour they drop. I'll give it a shot. Let me preface by saying I both like and dislike Kenny Omega. Do I think invisible man stuff is the absolute dumbest crap in the entire world? 100%. On the other hand, I 100% enjoy the match he had versus the young girl. It's a masterpiece. Could a grown man have knocked her out with one punch and won? Yup. The character he was portraying in that match wouldn't do that. He was being the.. "cocky, I'm so good, watch me just toy around for a minute," ...oops got caught with a fancy spinning reversal! Brilliant. It's not so much that Cornette hates his "good" work. Cornette is of the opinion Kenny Omega has no "good" work. Cornette did not watch the Okada matches, or the Jericho matches, etc. Cornette has seen Kenny wrestle invisible people, blowup dolls and young children though. For that, he will automatically disregard anything Omega does, good or bad. Cornette has seen Omega on AEW, multiple times, while reviewing their shows. I have to agree with Cornette here, the finger wagging, hand shaking and absolutely absurd facial expressions are the epitome of phony. I know, I know... A poorly executed Irish-whip is phony too. If you expect to enjoy wrestling, an Irish-whip being somewhat illogical is something you just file away in the subconscious though. The gesticulating and emoting Kenny does though, personally takes me out of his current run of matches. I can assure you, it annoys Jim as well. That said, I'll give credit where it's due, technical holds, hard hitting offense, all that "pretty stuff," anyone can actually do if they just learn it.. yeah, he's okay at that. Sorry my opinions are intertwined through the post, wasn't sure how to try and articulate how I've heard Jim feels without also relating to my own observations and feelings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2020 21:38:54 GMT -5
Cornette hates everything after 89? I’m sure he loved SMW from 92-95 and OVW from 99-05:)
Cornette doesn’t take Omega seriously because he had a competitive match with a nine year girl and had a match with a blowup doll. Both are very stupid and kill the business. Jim can’t forgive him for that no matter how “awesome” his matches are. He also thinks Omega has “jazz hands” lol.
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Post by LK3 on Jun 10, 2020 4:12:21 GMT -5
Personally his opinions don't mean anything to me, so I don't really care what he has to say about anything.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 10, 2020 12:32:09 GMT -5
Cornette is a shock-jock at this point. He's so full of sh*t and says really, really deplorable things. Even if I agreed with him on something, it wouldn't change the way I felt. F*ck that guy. I honestly hope I never hear his sh*tty takes or his name ever again. He brings nothing positive to the table. He's an absolute piece of sh*t bottom feeder.
Omega can be a bit much sometimes, but he's been one of my favorite overall wrestlers for like a decade now. His WK and Dominion main events against Okada are my litmus tests to see if I can talk wrestling with someone. If I'm talking to someone who's seen both and didn't like them, I don't care about their opinions because their taste in wrestling is so far from my own.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 10, 2020 12:33:53 GMT -5
Cornette hates everything after 89? I’m sure he loved SMW from 92-95 and OVW from 99-05:) Cornette doesn’t take Omega seriously because he had a competitive match with a nine year girl and had a match with a blowup doll. Both are very stupid and kill the business. Jim can’t forgive him for that no matter how “awesome” his matches are. He also thinks Omega has “jazz hands” lol. I'd actually say that the matches you're talking about take a ton of skill to pull off and very, very few can do it. Those don't define Kenny's career, instead I'd argue they point to his overall talent. |
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Post by snowjorden on Jun 10, 2020 13:08:35 GMT -5
Omega can be a bit much sometimes, but he's been one of my favorite overall wrestlers for like a decade now. His WK and Dominion main events against Okada are my litmus tests to see if I can talk wrestling with someone. If I'm talking to someone who's seen both and didn't like them, I don't care about their opinions because their taste in wrestling is so far from my own. They are good matches, but I've seen better as to my personal taste. I think it's our generally level headedness that has allowed us to coexist so well in the AEW threads despite my Corny-fandom. Glad though and I hope it continues. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 10, 2020 15:01:37 GMT -5
I’m a fan of Cornette, but the dude is a work. just like JR. Don’t be confused by thinking that their public persona’s adhere strictly to their actual real life person - this is wrestling. we’re still talking about Cornette in 2020.
the fact that Cornette or Russo are in any way discussed still relevantly? yikes
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 15:58:10 GMT -5
Cornette hates everything after 89? I’m sure he loved SMW from 92-95 and OVW from 99-05:) Cornette doesn’t take Omega seriously because he had a competitive match with a nine year girl and had a match with a blowup doll. Both are very stupid and kill the business. Jim can’t forgive him for that no matter how “awesome” his matches are. He also thinks Omega has “jazz hands” lol. I'd actually say that the matches you're talking about take a ton of skill to pull off and very, very few can do it. Those don't define Kenny's career, instead I'd argue they point to his overall talent. Fact is though he’s wrestling a 9 year old girl. A 9 year old shouldn’t have a competitive match with a grown man. That’s more unrealistic than David Arquette being world champion. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 16:01:22 GMT -5
I’m a fan of Cornette, but the dude is a work. just like JR. Don’t be confused by thinking that their public persona’s adhere strictly to their actual real life person - this is wrestling. we’re still talking about Cornette in 2020. the fact that Cornette or Russo are in any way discussed still relevantly? yikes What’s Cornette like “for real” then? A quiet guy who really likes AEW? |
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Post by Decky on Jun 10, 2020 16:06:46 GMT -5
I don’t see crazy spots or unrealistic flips. What could Cornette have against the good stuff Omega does? Wrestling a kid and a blow-up doll I get, but what’s wrong with Omega’s good work? Do you listen to either of Jim's podcasts? Just asking, because if you do/did, you'd not need to ask another's opinion on Jim's thoughts/feelings. Then again, I'm an official member of the Cult of Cornette, a Cornette School of Wrestling Knowledge Patreon subscriber as well as a listener to each of Cornys shows, within the hour they drop. I'll give it a shot. Let me preface by saying I both like and dislike Kenny Omega. Do I think invisible man stuff is the absolute dumbest crap in the entire world? 100%. On the other hand, I 100% enjoy the match he had versus the young girl. It's a masterpiece. Could a grown man have knocked her out with one punch and won? Yup. The character he was portraying in that match wouldn't do that. He was being the.. "cocky, I'm so good, watch me just toy around for a minute," ...oops got caught with a fancy spinning reversal! Brilliant. It's not so much that Cornette hates his "good" work. Cornette is of the opinion Kenny Omega has no "good" work. Cornette did not watch the Okada matches, or the Jericho matches, etc. Cornette has seen Kenny wrestle invisible people, blowup dolls and young children though. For that, he will automatically disregard anything Omega does, good or bad. Cornette has seen Omega on AEW, multiple times, while reviewing their shows. I have to agree with Cornette here, the finger wagging, hand shaking and absolutely absurd facial expressions are the epitome of phony. I know, I know... A poorly executed Irish-whip is phony too. If you expect to enjoy wrestling, an Irish-whip being somewhat illogical is something you just file away in the subconscious though. The gesticulating and emoting Kenny does though, personally takes me out of his current run of matches. I can assure you, it annoys Jim as well. That said, I'll give credit where it's due, technical holds, hard hitting offense, all that "pretty stuff," anyone can actually do if they just learn it.. yeah, he's okay at that. Sorry my opinions are intertwined through the post, wasn't sure how to try and articulate how I've heard Jim feels without also relating to my own observations and feelings. As a "an official member of the Cult of Cornette, a Cornette School of Wrestling Knowledge Patreon subscriber as well as a listener to each of Cornys shows, within the hour they drop." , you seem like the best man to ask. I always wondered why does Corny have 2 podcasts? I listen to Drive-Thru, and enjoy it, but is there a need for another? What can any one person talk about for 4/5 hours a week? |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jun 10, 2020 16:08:14 GMT -5
I'd actually say that the matches you're talking about take a ton of skill to pull off and very, very few can do it. Those don't define Kenny's career, instead I'd argue they point to his overall talent. Fact is though he’s wrestling a 9 year old girl. A 9 year old shouldn’t have a competitive match with a grown man. That’s more unrealistic than David Arquette being world champion. Was it carny? Hell yeah. Did he protect his opponent? Hell Yeah. Did the crowd enjoy the match? Hell yeah. Is wrestling subjective? Hell yeah. |
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Post by K5 on Jun 10, 2020 17:15:39 GMT -5
I’m a fan of Cornette, but the dude is a work. just like JR. Don’t be confused by thinking that their public persona’s adhere strictly to their actual real life person - this is wrestling. we’re still talking about Cornette in 2020. the fact that Cornette or Russo are in any way discussed still relevantly? yikes What’s Cornette like “for real” then? A quiet guy who really likes AEW? a common statement about a lot of talents that were successful was that it was ‘their real personalities, just with the volume turned up to 11.” stone cold is stone cold, Rock is rock, but they’re putting on a show. Cornette’s internet rivalries are no different. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 17:21:34 GMT -5
What’s Cornette like “for real” then? A quiet guy who really likes AEW? a common statement about a lot of talents that were successful was that it was ‘their real personalities, just with the volume turned up to 11.” stone cold is stone cold, Rock is rock, but they’re putting on a show. Cornette’s internet rivalries are no different. I’d be pissed if I found out his rivalry with Russo isn’t real. Also he genuinely does hold grudges with people hence what happened between he and Santino in 2017. |
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Post by snowjorden on Jun 10, 2020 17:54:28 GMT -5
Do you listen to either of Jim's podcasts? Just asking, because if you do/did, you'd not need to ask another's opinion on Jim's thoughts/feelings. Then again, I'm an official member of the Cult of Cornette, a Cornette School of Wrestling Knowledge Patreon subscriber as well as a listener to each of Cornys shows, within the hour they drop. I'll give it a shot. Let me preface by saying I both like and dislike Kenny Omega. Do I think invisible man stuff is the absolute dumbest crap in the entire world? 100%. On the other hand, I 100% enjoy the match he had versus the young girl. It's a masterpiece. Could a grown man have knocked her out with one punch and won? Yup. The character he was portraying in that match wouldn't do that. He was being the.. "cocky, I'm so good, watch me just toy around for a minute," ...oops got caught with a fancy spinning reversal! Brilliant. It's not so much that Cornette hates his "good" work. Cornette is of the opinion Kenny Omega has no "good" work. Cornette did not watch the Okada matches, or the Jericho matches, etc. Cornette has seen Kenny wrestle invisible people, blowup dolls and young children though. For that, he will automatically disregard anything Omega does, good or bad. Cornette has seen Omega on AEW, multiple times, while reviewing their shows. I have to agree with Cornette here, the finger wagging, hand shaking and absolutely absurd facial expressions are the epitome of phony. I know, I know... A poorly executed Irish-whip is phony too. If you expect to enjoy wrestling, an Irish-whip being somewhat illogical is something you just file away in the subconscious though. The gesticulating and emoting Kenny does though, personally takes me out of his current run of matches. I can assure you, it annoys Jim as well. That said, I'll give credit where it's due, technical holds, hard hitting offense, all that "pretty stuff," anyone can actually do if they just learn it.. yeah, he's okay at that. Sorry my opinions are intertwined through the post, wasn't sure how to try and articulate how I've heard Jim feels without also relating to my own observations and feelings. As a "an official member of the Cult of Cornette, a Cornette School of Wrestling Knowledge Patreon subscriber as well as a listener to each of Cornys shows, within the hour they drop." , you seem like the best man to ask. I always wondered why does Corny have 2 podcasts? I listen to Drive-Thru, and enjoy it, but is there a need for another? What can any one person talk about for 4/5 hours a week? Mondays show is a fan Q & A show. Thursdays show is for interviews, reviews, etc. |
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Post by crashholly2002 on Jun 10, 2020 19:54:49 GMT -5
Jim says alot of zany/wacky/stupid ish because he knows it'll bring in the clicks; while his feelings towards wrestling in the current landscape may be true; it just wouldn't be profitable enough for him in the long run if he don't over-exaggerate as often as he does
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Post by kinnikuman on Jun 10, 2020 20:12:05 GMT -5
He just likes to hear himself talk and needs to stay relevant.
That said, if he truly never watched the Okada match then anything he says about Omega is pointless and he should just move on to another topic.
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Post by K5 on Jun 10, 2020 20:29:39 GMT -5
a common statement about a lot of talents that were successful was that it was ‘their real personalities, just with the volume turned up to 11.” stone cold is stone cold, Rock is rock, but they’re putting on a show. Cornette’s internet rivalries are no different. I’d be pissed if I found out his rivalry with Russo isn’t real. Also he genuinely does hold grudges with people hence what happened between he and Santino in 2017. i think that much is real - he just knows how to take the ball and roll with it. it was interesting in 1999, not so much now. |
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Post by jking1979 on Jun 10, 2020 23:07:34 GMT -5
I agree with Jim Cornette.
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