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Post by GoCanes84 on Jul 1, 2023 22:22:09 GMT -5
Really nice figures, super long waits, dic*head personality.
No lies there.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 1, 2023 23:12:08 GMT -5
I’ve defended the MWFP coverage of Zombie in the past. I do listen/am a paid subscriber. So I say this with earnest: your coverage of ZST compared to all others is disproportionate and I can’t blame others for questioning if there is more going on than what has been discussed on your show. He has delivered a few products in the past but he hasn’t received nearly as much of the negativity/criticism/flack you have given others for missed deadlines or quality control issues. Yes you have called everyone out for making announcements and showing artwork long before items are produced. I largely agree with that. But from memory, Zombie’s backlog is even larger than Epic Toys. His backlog is nuts. And his bedside manner/customer service skills aren’t the best. Two things we have certainly mentioned publicly numerous times and to him privately. We think his product is outstanding, so we haven’t had much to say about quality control. We did mention the Danhausen cape’s being stuck to some of the figures. I’m well aware but others may not be. If others haven’t listened, what you are saying is true. It isn’t that Josh gets no criticism but he does get noticeably less compared to others. Don’t have Mark sit there with a stopwatch or anything like that but it’s worth being consciously aware of when these topics are being discussed. At the end of the day you can’t control everyone’s perception of bias but you do have the ability to be more balanced. This isn’t coming from a total prick or a troll. I want there to be a bigger and a better figure community. I actively work towards making this forum better. So if you share that vision of wanting all of these companies to succeed, it’s worth making that effort. Whether you are right or wrong about Epic Toys taking on more than they can chew, tearing them down isn’t the solution. It really sucks that they have left you and others feeling burned. That bitter taste isn’t going to wash out over night. There probably isn’t anything that motivates you to want to try and help them again from the sounds of it. All the negativity though will end up damaging them and in the end it could end up hurting the rest of us. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 1, 2023 23:36:11 GMT -5
His backlog is nuts. And his bedside manner/customer service skills aren’t the best. Two things we have certainly mentioned publicly numerous times and to him privately. We think his product is outstanding, so we haven’t had much to say about quality control. We did mention the Danhausen cape’s being stuck to some of the figures. I’m well aware but others may not be. If others haven’t listened, what you are saying is true. It isn’t that Josh gets no criticism but he does get noticeably less compared to others. Don’t have Mark sit there with a stopwatch or anything like that but it’s worth being consciously aware of when these topics are being discussed. At the end of the day you can’t control everyone’s perception of bias but you do have the ability to be more balanced. This isn’t coming from a total prick or a troll. I want there to be a bigger and a better figure community. I actively work towards making this forum better. So if you share that vision of wanting all of these companies to succeed, it’s worth making that effort. Whether you are right or wrong about Epic Toys taking on more than they can chew, tearing them down isn’t the solution. It really sucks that they have left you and others feeling burned. That bitter taste isn’t going to wash out over night. There probably isn’t anything that motivates you to want to try and help them again from the sounds of it. All the negativity though will end up damaging them and in the end it could end up hurting the rest of us. I’ll say it again. I want all these companies to succeed. Who do you think told Impact to sign with Chella…which became Epic? Myers and I! There is a lot more to this and it’s not my story to tell but… We revealed them at our live show in August 2022 and were super excited. I personally had a phone call with owner of Epic Toys and Impact management in October 2022 to get the ball rolling since nothing had been done in months since concept art. I have/had no stake in the game. I didn’t have an Impact contract. I genuinely wanted great Impact figs. I wanted the fans to get great figs. I wanted my friends to get figures who never had figures before. We were promised prototypes by December. It’s now July. Impact just got hand painted prototypes…just now! And they’re not good! I don’t even wrestle on Impact shows anymore and I’m still trying to fix this deal. Again…because I am a collector. I am just like you guys. Do I wrestle? Yes. Do I have my own toy line. Yes? But am I also on these boards because a wrestling figure fan? YES! |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 2, 2023 9:21:11 GMT -5
My knowledge on this is limited so help me out:
There is an agreement made between Impact and Epic (handshake or contractual). Epic says they will have prototypes done by December. Did Impact request changes to the designs that caused a delay?
If the deal is a handshake deal, I don’t see the issue in Impact walking away. I doubt they would operate like that but shadier things happen in the wrestling world. If there was a contract…then I don’t see how or why a time limit to produce wasn’t put in there. If it was put in there then Impact should just walk away if they aren’t out any money. They can sign with a number of other figure makers out there.
It is unclear where things fell through the cracks. Did Epic not make this a priority and just got around to having people work on it “whenever”? Are they using a bad factory because it’s what they can afford? Do they suck at being stern with factories over what/when things are produced?
Those questions are why I wish Epic had more of a presence online. Jamie does an amazing job of communicating be it getting questions answered or relaying opinions. But he is only one person and he can’t speak directly for them.
So where is all of the time going? Is it their family on holiday? Is it their actual store they run? Is it the backlog of orders they are still working to fulfill? Perhaps it’s dealing with the artists, the sculptors, and the factories? Maybe it’s reaching out to new wrestlers to sign or posting things on social media. 100% I cannot answer any of that.
This isn’t your problem to solve, Matt but there isn’t a magic kendo stick that can be waved to make the Impact problem go away. If they are still in business together, how do they make it right? Scrap nearly everything and pay out of pocket to make the Impact line a priority? Pick a different factory or artist capable of producing higher quality prototypes? What is the best solution and the best possible outcome?
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Post by casanova on Jul 3, 2023 15:28:31 GMT -5
Dude, you’re just wrong. Plain and simple. Do I think Zombie’s figs are the best? Yes…that’s my OPINION. BUTTT I want all of these companies to succeed. Every single one of them. I have purchased from all of them and continue to do so. As much crap as we gave Mitch, he  ing delivered two figures in timely fashion. That deserves credit. Haven’t seen a thing from Rush…just BS hype. I personally got numerous contracts, including my god damn wife, for FC lol. Epic bit off way more than they can chew unfortunately and made promises to too many talent and haven’t delivered in months/years since figures were announced. Ask Impact where there figures are? Or Sabu? Or Warhorse? I hope Epic gets their crap together because they have awesome figures planned and a lot of talent who are really excited to get their first figure ever or in a really long time. This isn’t the Monday Night Wars. Everybody can win. All companies and all fans. Just chill out a bit. Lol. I’ve defended the MWFP coverage of Zombie in the past. I do listen/am a paid subscriber. So I say this with earnest: your coverage of ZST compared to all others is disproportionate and I can’t blame others for questioning if there is more going on than what has been discussed on your show. He has delivered a few products in the past but he hasn’t received nearly as much of the negativity/criticism/flack you have given others for missed deadlines or quality control issues. Yes you have called everyone out for making announcements and showing artwork long before items are produced. I largely agree with that. But from memory, Zombie’s backlog is even larger than Epic Toys. But his results are far superior. I know I sound like a fanboy, but it is just that simple. It kind of makes the long wait more forgiving when you have such a great product at the end. This is the point where ZST’s H&F line differs to all other attempts. His product is the most enjoyable. I can see Grapplers and Gimmicks becoming as good as ZST if Mitch listens and makes the right fixes. At least his sculpts look incredibly promising and his character choice is perfect. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 3, 2023 16:08:04 GMT -5
I’ve defended the MWFP coverage of Zombie in the past. I do listen/am a paid subscriber. So I say this with earnest: your coverage of ZST compared to all others is disproportionate and I can’t blame others for questioning if there is more going on than what has been discussed on your show. He has delivered a few products in the past but he hasn’t received nearly as much of the negativity/criticism/flack you have given others for missed deadlines or quality control issues. Yes you have called everyone out for making announcements and showing artwork long before items are produced. I largely agree with that. But from memory, Zombie’s backlog is even larger than Epic Toys. But his results are far superior. I know I sound like a fanboy, but it is just that simple. It kind of makes the long wait more forgiving when you have such a great product at the end. This is the point where ZST’s H&F line differs to all other attempts. His product is the most enjoyable. I can see Grapplers and Gimmicks becoming as good as ZST if Mitch listens and makes the right fixes. At least his sculpts look incredibly promising and his character choice is perfect. You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 3, 2023 17:27:49 GMT -5
But his results are far superior. I know I sound like a fanboy, but it is just that simple. It kind of makes the long wait more forgiving when you have such a great product at the end. This is the point where ZST’s H&F line differs to all other attempts. His product is the most enjoyable. I can see Grapplers and Gimmicks becoming as good as ZST if Mitch listens and makes the right fixes. At least his sculpts look incredibly promising and his character choice is perfect. You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 3, 2023 18:54:13 GMT -5
You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? Don’t skip over this: My knowledge on this is limited so help me out: There is an agreement made between Impact and Epic (handshake or contractual). Epic says they will have prototypes done by December. Did Impact request changes to the designs that caused a delay? If the deal is a handshake deal, I don’t see the issue in Impact walking away. I doubt they would operate like that but shadier things happen in the wrestling world. If there was a contract…then I don’t see how or why a time limit to produce wasn’t put in there. If it was put in there then Impact should just walk away if they aren’t out any money. They can sign with a number of other figure makers out there. It is unclear where things fell through the cracks. Did Epic not make this a priority and just got around to having people work on it “whenever”? Are they using a bad factory because it’s what they can afford? Do they suck at being stern with factories over what/when things are produced? Those questions are why I wish Epic had more of a presence online. Jamie does an amazing job of communicating be it getting questions answered or relaying opinions. But he is only one person and he can’t speak directly for them. So where is all of the time going? Is it their family on holiday? Is it their actual store they run? Is it the backlog of orders they are still working to fulfill? Perhaps it’s dealing with the artists, the sculptors, and the factories? Maybe it’s reaching out to new wrestlers to sign or posting things on social media. 100% I cannot answer any of that. This isn’t your problem to solve, Matt but there isn’t a magic kendo stick that can be waved to make the Impact problem go away. If they are still in business together, how do they make it right? Scrap nearly everything and pay out of pocket to make the Impact line a priority? Pick a different factory or artist capable of producing higher quality prototypes? What is the best solution and the best possible outcome? |
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Post by walter7paisley on Jul 4, 2023 0:00:22 GMT -5
You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? He keeps saying he's made a small fortune and yet pre-orders are still being used. Lots of his figures also turn up less than the quality claimed, especially for the times taken in production for so-called "changes". My friend's Sabu has missing paint on his legs, but did Josh make any kind of apology about any of this or did he ignore it and/or go on the defensive? The latter, as far as I recall. Lots of posters here were putting up pictures of their ZST's with paint defects, Sabu couldn't stand on his own... And how many delays could genuinely be blamed on the addition of accessories? I remember one poster's figure was pretty damaged, so he asked could he have a replacement, to which ZST replied that he had none, before going on to inevitably announce yet more waves of the same "limited edition" figures. All of these companies have made blunders, but let's not pretend that you've not been letting a few of ZST's slip by the wayside. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 4, 2023 1:52:48 GMT -5
Debating aside, which one of these bums is making Dan Severn and is it likely to actually be made?
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 4, 2023 6:18:13 GMT -5
My knowledge on this is limited so help me out: There is an agreement made between Impact and Epic (handshake or contractual). Epic says they will have prototypes done by December. Did Impact request changes to the designs that caused a delay? If the deal is a handshake deal, I don’t see the issue in Impact walking away. I doubt they would operate like that but shadier things happen in the wrestling world. If there was a contract…then I don’t see how or why a time limit to produce wasn’t put in there. If it was put in there then Impact should just walk away if they aren’t out any money. They can sign with a number of other figure makers out there. It is unclear where things fell through the cracks. Did Epic not make this a priority and just got around to having people work on it “whenever”? Are they using a bad factory because it’s what they can afford? Do they suck at being stern with factories over what/when things are produced? Those questions are why I wish Epic had more of a presence online. Jamie does an amazing job of communicating be it getting questions answered or relaying opinions. But he is only one person and he can’t speak directly for them. So where is all of the time going? Is it their family on holiday? Is it their actual store they run? Is it the backlog of orders they are still working to fulfill? Perhaps it’s dealing with the artists, the sculptors, and the factories? Maybe it’s reaching out to new wrestlers to sign or posting things on social media. 100% I cannot answer any of that. This isn’t your problem to solve, Matt but there isn’t a magic kendo stick that can be waved to make the Impact problem go away. If they are still in business together, how do they make it right? Scrap nearly everything and pay out of pocket to make the Impact line a priority? Pick a different factory or artist capable of producing higher quality prototypes? What is the best solution and the best possible outcome? I gave you as much information as I could. I’m not skipping over it. The rest is Impact’s/Epic’s business/story to tell. |
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Post by walter7paisley on Jul 4, 2023 6:18:34 GMT -5
Debating aside, which one of these bums is making Dan Severn and is it likely to actually be made? Was that Epic? Can't really remember, there's been that many announcements. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 4, 2023 6:22:43 GMT -5
Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? He keeps saying he's made a small fortune and yet pre-orders are still being used. Lots of his figures also turn up less than the quality claimed, especially for the times taken in production for so-called "changes". My friend's Sabu has missing paint on his legs, but did Josh make any kind of apology about any of this or did he ignore it and/or go on the defensive? The latter, as far as I recall. Lots of posters here were putting up pictures of their ZST's with paint defects, Sabu couldn't stand on his own... And how many delays could genuinely be blamed on the addition of accessories? I remember one poster's figure was pretty damaged, so he asked could he have a replacement, to which ZST replied that he had none, before going on to inevitably announce yet more waves of the same "limited edition" figures. All of these companies have made blunders, but let's not pretend that you've not been letting a few of ZST's slip by the wayside. Every figure company, big or small, is going to have some quality control issues. You should see some of the bendies we receive with horrible paint app or damaged packaging. Unfortunately some things slip through the cracks when you’re sending out thousands of orders. You say “lots” of people posted defects. Define lots. Now consider that thousands of figures were shipped. You cannot expect us or Zombie or any company to inspect every single figure before shipping it out. With that being said, his customer service/bedside manner needs serious work. I don’t know how many times I have to agree with people on that. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 4, 2023 6:52:07 GMT -5
My knowledge on this is limited so help me out: There is an agreement made between Impact and Epic (handshake or contractual). Epic says they will have prototypes done by December. Did Impact request changes to the designs that caused a delay?If the deal is a handshake deal, I don’t see the issue in Impact walking away. I doubt they would operate like that but shadier things happen in the wrestling world. If there was a contract…then I don’t see how or why a time limit to produce wasn’t put in there. If it was put in there then Impact should just walk away if they aren’t out any money. They can sign with a number of other figure makers out there. It is unclear where things fell through the cracks. Did Epic not make this a priority and just got around to having people work on it “whenever”? Are they using a bad factory because it’s what they can afford? Do they suck at being stern with factories over what/when things are produced? Those questions are why I wish Epic had more of a presence online. Jamie does an amazing job of communicating be it getting questions answered or relaying opinions. But he is only one person and he can’t speak directly for them. So where is all of the time going? Is it their family on holiday? Is it their actual store they run? Is it the backlog of orders they are still working to fulfill? Perhaps it’s dealing with the artists, the sculptors, and the factories? Maybe it’s reaching out to new wrestlers to sign or posting things on social media. 100% I cannot answer any of that.
This isn’t your problem to solve, Matt but there isn’t a magic kendo stick that can be waved to make the Impact problem go away. If they are still in business together, how do they make it right? Scrap nearly everything and pay out of pocket to make the Impact line a priority? Pick a different factory or artist capable of producing higher quality prototypes? What is the best solution and the best possible outcome?I gave you as much information as I could. I’m not skipping over it. The rest is Impact’s/Epic’s business/story to tell. Those were the parts specifically that it seems like you could elaborate on. You have more experience than most here dealing with the overseas factories, time and cost, etc. which is why I am trying to ask. |
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jul 4, 2023 7:29:15 GMT -5
You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? We definitely agree on that point of view. This is something specifically though where maybe you can see where others are coming from. When you rip into Epic and say things about them not being a real company and then also mention something to the effect of “there are things I can’t talk about,” it makes it sound as though you know what the problems are. This is more general conversation, not directed specifically at Matt: Speaking for myself, Zombie has gotten a pass as I never doubted the figures were going to be produced. A more humble approach about why delays are happening would probably solve a good deal of the negative criticism he gets. Going strictly from what I have seen and heard, I feel like the very personality traits that made him a success are also working against him at times. He can be an amazing salesman for his products but doesn’t seem to believe that people will be sold on you if you are open and honest with them. It’s like no one can admit that they screwed up or that their factory screwed up. A simple explanation would go a long way “look guys, we are at XX stage in the process, a major flaw was caught on One Man Gang’s boots and they said it will set them back two weeks minimum. Sorry for the additional delay and thank you for understanding. We are still looking to get orders out before Christmas.”On one hand, mistakes can happen at any stage of production and they probably happen more often than people without experience realize. No figure company wants to make announcements like this every week. It’ll make them and/or their factories seem incompetent. But occasional peaks behind the curtain like that will better educate your customers and help set their expectations. As a figure company, it should also tell you that you need to work towards including these problems into the time table you are giving customers. Instead of estimating 12 months from today, say “Fall 2024.” You honestly think people will be mad if things go smoothly and they get items sooner? Best case scenario you make people happy. Worst case scenario you are closer to hitting your deadline but didn’t have to deal with months and months of people demanding to know why it’s taking longer than you “promised.” |
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Post by walter7paisley on Jul 4, 2023 7:48:11 GMT -5
He keeps saying he's made a small fortune and yet pre-orders are still being used. Lots of his figures also turn up less than the quality claimed, especially for the times taken in production for so-called "changes". My friend's Sabu has missing paint on his legs, but did Josh make any kind of apology about any of this or did he ignore it and/or go on the defensive? The latter, as far as I recall. Lots of posters here were putting up pictures of their ZST's with paint defects, Sabu couldn't stand on his own... And how many delays could genuinely be blamed on the addition of accessories? I remember one poster's figure was pretty damaged, so he asked could he have a replacement, to which ZST replied that he had none, before going on to inevitably announce yet more waves of the same "limited edition" figures. All of these companies have made blunders, but let's not pretend that you've not been letting a few of ZST's slip by the wayside. Every figure company, big or small, is going to have some quality control issues. You should see some of the bendies we receive with horrible paint app or damaged packaging. Unfortunately some things slip through the cracks when you’re sending out thousands of orders. You say “lots” of people posted defects. Define lots. Now consider that thousands of figures were shipped. You cannot expect us or Zombie or any company to inspect every single figure before shipping it out. With that being said, his customer service/bedside manner needs serious work. I don’t know how many times I have to agree with people on that. Quality control issues are a given, as you say, but ZST didn't handle the criticism of those issues well at all, and openly criticized other companies for their own quality control issues. That's where he falls short, IMO. There were enough posters on here who had quality issues from what I recall, considering how few of us seem to post in this particular thread, which is either coincidental, or shows that there were enough definite issues with ZST's product to highlight. I've always maintained that I'm not really interested in public perceptions, and that still holds true. Bedside manner doesn't bother me if I'm into the product and it's worth the price to me, and while I don't care for ZST's behaviour, it wouldn't stop me buying his product. The trouble is, lots of other people are put off by his behaviour, and public perceptions do actually count for something. Every company can and has been criticized for certain issues, some more than others, and some definitely less than others. A few of ZST's biggest fans on here, not all, but a few, refuse to see any issues. |
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 4, 2023 15:44:14 GMT -5
Debating aside, which one of these bums is making Dan Severn and is it likely to actually be made? Was that Epic? Can't really remember, there's been that many announcements. It was Rush with Dan Severn |
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3poajamie
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Post by 3poajamie on Jul 4, 2023 15:52:04 GMT -5
You can argue various aspects of the quality but that isn’t really what has been the focus of the discussion. I do agree that the detail of ZST’s products are above everyone else’s. They also feel like a better quality material. Some elements aren’t as Hasbro-like as Epic, G&G, etc. This however is more about deadlines coming and going, lack of communication, backlog of items yet to be delivered, and professionalism. It’s ok to say ZST gets a pass if his figures take longer to make (and they should), but what isn’t ok is ragging on other companies for not delivering by the deadline they set. It is hypocritical no matter how you choose to look at it. They all can do better about communicating (except Mitch who I would let stay in my home and share secret family recipes with). To my knowledge, Epic has never blocked anyone for questioning them or criticizing them. The MWFP aren’t social media police but a lot of things get swept under the “poor bedside manner” rug. Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? Correct, Epics were delayed because they hadn’t been started when the takeover happened. It is one thing that people tend to forget is that the takeover was late last year and it’s unfortunate that these figures have had to be started from scratch but it’s either that or no takeover and people will still be out of pocket. It goes without saying that Epic and any other toy company worth 2 sh*ts will be working on prototypes or figures not announced yet/not been up for pre order, I’ve seen them and the company is in safe hands going forward. Also, as a listener of the show it is frustrating to hear the confusion each week about the name. Former name was Chella, Wrestling Trader are a shop who bought Chella and renamed it “Epic Toys”. Would hope that someone who’s had a name change and a rebuild recently will be able to get it  |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 4, 2023 16:22:56 GMT -5
Debating aside, which one of these bums is making Dan Severn and is it likely to actually be made? Was that Epic? Can't really remember, there's been that many announcements. Yeah I don’t collect the retros but really would love to have this one. Hope it sees the light of day. Also, Matt if you see this, please get us a Severn bendem. Would fit perfect with the originals. |
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Post by VintageFigs1 on Jul 4, 2023 23:45:33 GMT -5
Zombie’s figures get delayed because changes are made to figures or accessories or packaging in China to make them better. Epic figures get delayed because they haven’t even been started yet. Huge difference. Zombie is already working on multiple series ahead and his pre-order Model will go away and/or waits will be much much less. We finally just saw pics of Haku and bwo being worked on. What took so long? What about all the other figs? Correct, Epics were delayed because they hadn’t been started when the takeover happened. It is one thing that people tend to forget is that the takeover was late last year and it’s unfortunate that these figures have had to be started from scratch but it’s either that or no takeover and people will still be out of pocket. It goes without saying that Epic and any other toy company worth 2 sh*ts will be working on prototypes or figures not announced yet/not been up for pre order, I’ve seen them and the company is in safe hands going forward. Also, as a listener of the show it is frustrating to hear the confusion each week about the name. Former name was Chella, Wrestling Trader are a shop who bought Chella and renamed it “Epic Toys”. Would hope that someone who’s had a name change and a rebuild recently will be able to get it Take over was late last year. It’s July bro. Come on. Let’s ing go. Lol. |
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