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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2020 22:09:41 GMT -5
Dr Death losing to Bart Gunn in a real fight ruined any chances of what I think would have been a great program between he and Stone Cold. I don’t know how Jim Cornette came up with 5 million dollars in how much money they lost there, but wouldn’t Stone Cold vs Dr Death been a good feud?
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Post by The Brain on Jul 27, 2020 23:21:50 GMT -5
He obviously wouldn't win the belt but if he was built up as a legit beast no doubt the feud wouldve been great.
I can picture the two beating the sh** outta each other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 0:46:58 GMT -5
He obviously wouldn't win the belt but if he was built up as a legit beast no doubt the feud wouldve been great. I can picture the two beating the sh** outta each other. Yeah I can too. Matches would have been believable. |
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Post by PJ on Jul 28, 2020 4:59:17 GMT -5
It’s a shame we didn’t have the chance to get it after the brawl for all.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 28, 2020 7:12:30 GMT -5
I have no faith in good wrestling being appreciated during the attitude era though. I remember Dr Deaths bone cruncher figure just clogging shelves at the time because he wasn’t an entertainer, he was a wrestler.
When I think of the attitude era I just think back to being in middle school and just how many of my friends were aware of the WWF product who had previously no interest in pro wrestling before or after. It was Jerry Springer to them and because of that, I feel a large portion of the audience just wouldn’t get Dr Death. If he came to the ring with Debra or Sunny, they’d care.
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Post by rateddal on Jul 28, 2020 7:36:29 GMT -5
I have my doubts about the WWF getting him over enough for a run with Stone Cold. Winning Brawl for all would not have done it, that thing was a mess. Brawl for all shouldve been absolutely scripted if it was the vehicle to get Dr Death over. Winning ugly would've done him no favors, he needed to win convincingly in an aesthetically pleasing manner to look like a legit threat.
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Post by K5 on Jul 28, 2020 9:42:10 GMT -5
program had a lot of potential to say the least. and quite frankly dr death deserved to be a bigger star in North America than he achieved so it was a bummer to see things go like they did.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Jul 28, 2020 15:24:28 GMT -5
The fact that Jim Ross was still sucking Dr. Death's **** in 1998 goes to show how far off Jim Ross was on great talent at the time.
In 1992 when Dr. Death and Terry Gordy feuded with the Steiner's in WCW, that was amazing!
In 1997 when Dr. Death is getting "Stevie kicked" by Big Stevie Cool and DDT'd by Raven and pinned on ECW Hardcore TV.... well.... I think Dr. Death's time is over.
Even his WCW run in 1999 was a flop.
The fact that Jim Ross thought the 38 year old Dr. Death could destroy everyone in that Brawl for All in legit fights is laughable. I love that Bart Gunn destroyed Dr. Death and everyone else. Because nobody saw it coming. Turns out the toughest guy in the WWE was a mid card tag guy.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 29, 2020 13:54:21 GMT -5
I think the programme would have been good? But its difficult to see where it was going to fit in...would it have been at Undertaker or HHHs expense? Austin's dance card was full in 99. 98 would have been better for him...
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Post by jking1979 on Jul 29, 2020 15:29:56 GMT -5
Dr. Death Steve Williams was in the wrong promotion.
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Post by TheXtremisT on Aug 3, 2020 4:42:22 GMT -5
Heh it would have legit been Steve Williams vs Steve Williams
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Post by rowdy1971 on Aug 4, 2020 15:39:18 GMT -5
The fans did not care about Dr. Death when he was there before anything with Steve Austin and I'm willing to bet if this feud did happen the fans would care even less about Dr. Death. Williams was just fine being that American fish in the Japanese ocean. In the WWF Doc would just be some bland, chubby, old looking, feeder fish to the Austin shark. Dr. Death and charisma did not go hand in hand. One segment, and it would have flopped, and Vince would have pulled the plug and we would have seen Williams jobbing on "Heat".
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Post by LA Times on Aug 4, 2020 16:11:44 GMT -5
I dont see how a match with those 2 wouldve worked. A bad bump wouldve put Stone Cold in a wheelchair and Dr Death mostly did moves where he was dropping guys on their head.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2020 9:01:18 GMT -5
I don’t see how Dr. Death vs Stone Cold would have worked at any point in 1998 or 1999. When you consider that Austin, Taker, Kane, and Foley pretty much ruled the main event scene in 1998, with guys like HHH, Rock, and Shamrock right behind them, Dr. Death stands out like a sore thumb.
I always saw it as JR trying to do a favor for his friend. No fan at that time was asking for this feud and it would have been out of place to put Dr. Death in a title feud after beating a few mid carders in some crappy shoot fights.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2020 9:03:50 GMT -5
The fans did not care about Dr. Death when he was there before anything with Steve Austin and I'm willing to bet if this feud did happen the fans would care even less about Dr. Death. Williams was just fine being that American fish in the Japanese ocean. In the WWF Doc would just be some bland, chubby, old looking, feeder fish to the Austin shark. Dr. Death and charisma did not go hand in hand. One segment, and it would have flopped, and Vince would have pulled the plug and we would have seen Williams jobbing on "Heat". Jobbing on Heat and hosting the “Dr. Death Kiss Cam” on Raw. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2020 9:06:15 GMT -5
The fact that Jim Ross was still sucking Dr. Death's **** in 1998 goes to show how far off Jim Ross was on great talent at the time. In 1992 when Dr. Death and Terry Gordy feuded with the Steiner's in WCW, that was amazing! In 1997 when Dr. Death is getting "Stevie kicked" by Big Stevie Cool and DDT'd by Raven and pinned on ECW Hardcore TV.... well.... I think Dr. Death's time is over. Even his WCW run in 1999 was a flop. The fact that Jim Ross thought the 38 year old Dr. Death could destroy everyone in that Brawl for All in legit fights is laughable. I love that Bart Gunn destroyed Dr. Death and everyone else. Because nobody saw it coming. Turns out the toughest guy in the WWE was a mid card tag guy. It’s a shame Blackman got hurt and pulled out as I’d have loved to see him kick some heads off, including JRs boy-toy Dr. Death. |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 9, 2020 9:16:01 GMT -5
The fact that Jim Ross was still sucking Dr. Death's **** in 1998 goes to show how far off Jim Ross was on great talent at the time. In 1992 when Dr. Death and Terry Gordy feuded with the Steiner's in WCW, that was amazing! In 1997 when Dr. Death is getting "Stevie kicked" by Big Stevie Cool and DDT'd by Raven and pinned on ECW Hardcore TV.... well.... I think Dr. Death's time is over. Even his WCW run in 1999 was a flop. The fact that Jim Ross thought the 38 year old Dr. Death could destroy everyone in that Brawl for All in legit fights is laughable. I love that Bart Gunn destroyed Dr. Death and everyone else. Because nobody saw it coming. Turns out the toughest guy in the WWE was a mid card tag guy. It’s a shame Blackman got hurt and pulled out as I’d have loved to see him kick some heads off, including JRs boy-toy Dr. Death. The original BFA rules was kickboxing with wrestling takedowns and throws, but they banned kicking after steve Blackman was seen practicing his karate kicks. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2020 9:19:52 GMT -5
It’s a shame Blackman got hurt and pulled out as I’d have loved to see him kick some heads off, including JRs boy-toy Dr. Death. The original BFA rules was kickboxing with wrestling takedowns and throws, but they banned kicking after steve Blackman was seen practicing his karate kicks. Even without the kicks Id have placed my money on Blackman walking through the thing had he not been injured. If Shamrock entered though I doubt he even breaks a sweat in the whole thing. I think that hurt the brawl for all on top of the fights being crap. They had a ton of lower mid-carders competing in this thing when we knew that someone like Shamrock could legit kill everyone who entered. |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 9, 2020 9:28:59 GMT -5
The original BFA rules was kickboxing with wrestling takedowns and throws, but they banned kicking after steve Blackman was seen practicing his karate kicks. Even without the kicks Id have placed my money on Blackman walking through the thing had he not been injured. If Shamrock entered though I doubt he even breaks a sweat in the whole thing. I think that hurt the brawl for all on top of the fights being crap. They had a ton of lower mid-carders competing in this thing when we knew that someone like Shamrock could legit kill everyone who entered. Shamrock didn't want in because he knew it wasn't going to be an even fight and had a good position on the card. |
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Post by keegandimitrijevic01 on Aug 9, 2020 10:23:57 GMT -5
Williams probably had another good year or two left, and he should've done a few PPV's with Austin, Rock, and Undertaker
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