zen411
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Post by zen411 on Jul 28, 2020 19:52:17 GMT -5
After seeing SDCC reveals, its become more apparent that Mattel, WWE, or both are comfortable in the tried and true legends. All of the announced Legends line (except Greg Valentine)have had Mattel figures before and some of them have had a lot of them. Are some guys considered too obscure and too much of a risk as pegwarmers or is it solely "we don't have the rights". Would mattel even be interested in mid-carders that the collectors would want but a casual fan might not know or remember? Why make Haku or Brother Love or the Genius when you can make another Macho Man or Dibiase or Steamboat?
This is not a gripe post. I am honestly trying to figure out if some of my wishlist will never happen due to not enough name recognition or demand.
My wants and many I've seen in other posts
Haku
Zeus
Brody
Captain Lou
Jesse Ventura
One Man Gang
Slick
Mr Fuji
Brother Love
The Genius
The Mountie
Rougeau Brothers
Dynamite Kid
Rock n Roll Express
Steiners
Bad News Brown
Hercules
Koko B ware
Shane Douglas
Giant Gonzalez
Abdullah the Butcher
Smoking Gunns
Test
Repo Man
Kona Crush
Taz
Sabu
Nikita Koloff
Etc. Etc.
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Post by Old School Collector on Jul 28, 2020 20:07:47 GMT -5
I think we’ll eventually see guys like :
Haku
Brother Love
One Man Gang
... but the majority of that list ... unfortunately, probably not
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Post by LA Times on Jul 28, 2020 20:09:33 GMT -5
Out of all the names you listed, brother love has the best chance of being made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2020 20:25:37 GMT -5
I don't think being too niche is an issue with Mattel, they have released quite a few niche or obscure characters like Berzerker, Red Rooster, Magnum TA, Virgil, Tugboat Brisco, Patterson and the upcoming Mae Young & Rocky Johnson.. Also, peg warming would not be an issue because most of the guys on your list would probably be released as a 'collector's edition figure which most people hate because they can't find them. Also, retailers appear to have cut back on the amount of each set they are buying so at most you might see 1 or 2 cases of any particular set on shelves.
The main problem here is WWE is in control of who gets made and who doesn't and I believe most of the wrestlers people want to see figures of that have not been made are those that are not on good terms with WWE or guys that for whatever reason do not want to sign a legends deal. I have given up hope that any of the remaining guys on my wish list will get made (Haku, Hercules, Jacques Rougeau, Dynamite Kid)- its clear at this point that either WWE has not interest in signing them to a deal or they have no interest in signing a deal with WWE. If Mattel were able (or interested) in signing deals directly with wrestlers then its possible we may have gotten figures of some of the guys off your list. Case in point, the following figures only exist because the wrestler signed a deal directly with Mattel back when the line first began:
Akeem Crush
Demolition
King Kong Bundy Rick Martel
Von Erichs Macho Man (he initially signed with Mattel and if he were still alive I don't think he would have signed with WWE once his Mattel deal expired)
NOTE: Rougeau Brothers appeared on a poll Mattel conducted back during the days of the original legends line. They were never made, likely because the legends line ended up being cancelled but it has me wondering who else they had signed that we don't know about that were never made?!
I think our best bet of getting figures of those you mentioned is with Jazzwares, if they actually decide to start making legends figures then there is a good chance we will see figures of some of those legends on the list.
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 28, 2020 20:27:01 GMT -5
Out of all the names you listed, brother love has the best chance of being made. True story |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Jul 28, 2020 20:29:31 GMT -5
Some top wants of mine...
Alex Wright
Steve McMichael
Ultimo Dragon
Woman
Disco Inferno
None too realistic..unfortunately
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Post by Nivro™ on Jul 28, 2020 20:31:48 GMT -5
Its going to be a knock but I dont necessarily mean it as a knock but when you compare the Legends line and the Classic line and the types of names that are/were chosen...You're looking at 2 guys, one guy is a corporate guy that does it for the money and the other did it for the love of wrestling. That's why I dont think we'll ever see more obscure names or even names that werent major names outside of the WWE.
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Jul 29, 2020 9:25:13 GMT -5
I’m somewhat optimistic about Dynamite. Out of all the different Davey Boy figures they coulda done, they chose British Bulldogs. Yes they’ve given us figures like Retrofest HBK in the past but I’m still thinking if they’re giving us that Davey and Matilda then there’s a good chance Dynamite is just around the corner.
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 29, 2020 9:31:29 GMT -5
Owen Hart Steiner Bros Bart Gunn Jeff Jarrett Grand Master Sexay Dynamite Kid The Rougeaus Power and Glory Barbarian Bob Holly .... Not very  |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 29, 2020 9:40:28 GMT -5
Realistically, I think you'll see a limited number of new talent available. And even then it's going to be from a narrow band of people employed be WWE or who appear have some recent history with the company (HOF induction, tv appearance, etc). So the odds of most of the names you mentioned are slim in the Mattel line, unless something changes with WWE's branding strategy or Mattel regains the ability to sign talent directly.
I think there's a sliver of hope that many of the names you mention would be top choices for legends figures if/when Jazwares incorporates those into their product. There have been signs that Jeremy has started signing talent outside talent to figure contracts, so I think something will happen sooner than later. But again there's no guarantee all wrestlers will come to an agreement, and some of the gimmicks you mentioned will be off limits due to being WWE IP.
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Post by nate315 on Jul 29, 2020 10:14:14 GMT -5
I think this SDCC is a good example of what it’s going to be like going forward with Legends. We’ll maybe get one or two new ones with maybe a surprise every now and then, but the majority of the reveals will be already existing talent.
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Post by kinnikuman on Jul 29, 2020 10:28:17 GMT -5
After seeing SDCC reveals, its become more apparent that Mattel, WWE, or both are comfortable in the tried and true legends. All of the announced Legends line (except Greg Valentine)have had Mattel figures before and some of them have had a lot of them. Are some guys considered too obscure and too much of a risk as pegwarmers or is it solely "we don't have the rights". Would mattel even be interested in mid-carders that the collectors would want but a casual fan might not know or remember? Why make Haku or Brother Love or the Genius when you can make another Macho Man or Dibiase or Steamboat? This is not a gripe post. I am honestly trying to figure out if some of my wishlist will never happen due to not enough name recognition or demand. My wants and many I've seen in other posts Haku MaybeZeus NoBrody Definitely noCaptain Lou DoubtfulJesse Ventura ProbablyOne Man Gang DoubtfulSlick NoMr Fuji MaybeBrother Love MaybeThe Genius NoThe Mountie DoubtfulRougeau Brothers NoDynamite Kid NoRock n Roll Express NoSteiners NoBad News Brown DoubtfulHercules MaybeKoko B ware ProbablyShane Douglas NoGiant Gonzalez MaybeAbdullah the Butcher NoSmoking Gunns NoTest NoRepo Man DoubtfulKona Crush DoubtfulTaz DoubtfulSabu NoNikita Koloff NoEtc. Etc. My guesses! |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 29, 2020 10:41:50 GMT -5
I genuinely feel for collectors of older talent. The mid-carders (or stars of other promotions) of yesteryears are unlikely.
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Post by stc13 on Jul 29, 2020 10:50:34 GMT -5
I genuinely feel for collectors of older talent. The mid-carders (or stars of other promotions) of yesteryears are unlikely. On the whole, we've gotten a VERY deep roster from certain time periods. If you look at WWF circa 91-92, they've covered a huge chunk of the roster. Same can be said for the Attitude Era WWF. But WCW? Far less so. ECW? Virtually nonexistent. They're starting to produce more RA era figures for those who enjoy that period. And anybody interested in the early 80's should be happy, since a year or two that era was basically just Bruno. For me the lack of fresh faces is really frustrating. But at the same time I can't complain (too much) about the roster we've gotten over the past 8-10 years. |
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Post by moop on Jul 29, 2020 10:57:30 GMT -5
Once Valentine was announced, I thought for sure that Hercules would be following shortly after. They were the 2 most requested golden era guys here for such a long time.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 29, 2020 11:00:07 GMT -5
I genuinely feel for collectors of older talent. The mid-carders (or stars of other promotions) of yesteryears are unlikely. On the whole, we've gotten a VERY deep roster from certain time periods. If you look at WWF circa 91-92, they've covered a huge chunk of the roster. Same can be said for the Attitude Era WWF. But WCW? Far less so. ECW? Virtually nonexistent. They're starting to produce more RA era figures for those who enjoy that period. And anybody interested in the early 80's should be happy, since a year or two that era was basically just Bruno. For me the lack of fresh faces is really frustrating. But at the same time I can't complain (too much) about the roster we've gotten over the past 8-10 years. I wish people knew everyone Bill asked for and WWE said no. I guarantee he'd get bad mouthed less on here. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 29, 2020 11:08:07 GMT -5
On the whole, we've gotten a VERY deep roster from certain time periods. If you look at WWF circa 91-92, they've covered a huge chunk of the roster. Same can be said for the Attitude Era WWF. But WCW? Far less so. ECW? Virtually nonexistent. They're starting to produce more RA era figures for those who enjoy that period. And anybody interested in the early 80's should be happy, since a year or two that era was basically just Bruno. For me the lack of fresh faces is really frustrating. But at the same time I can't complain (too much) about the roster we've gotten over the past 8-10 years. I wish people knew everyone Bill asked for and WWE said no. I guarantee he'd get bad mouthed less on here. Totally agree. I think a lot of the common complaints here fall on WWE. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I'd bet a dollar something like Sting having a massive torso or Ricochet being like 6'2 are WWE requests that Mattel just has to go along for the ride on. At the same time, Mattel isn't in the clear. WCW Jericho, ECW Dudleyz, Team Xtreme - those were all unforced errors that Mattel absolutely should and could have avoided. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Jul 29, 2020 11:10:46 GMT -5
I wish people knew everyone Bill asked for and WWE said no. I guarantee he'd get bad mouthed less on here. Totally agree. I think a lot of the common complaints here fall on WWE. Maybe I'm totally wrong, but I'd bet a dollar something like Sting having a massive torso or Ricochet being like 6'2 are WWE requests that Mattel just has to go along for the ride on. At the same time, Mattel isn't in the clear. WCW Jericho, ECW Dudleyz, Team Xtreme - those were all unforced errors that Mattel absolutely should and could have avoided. I totally get that. The problem is that some people don't think, or do research, or give any benefit of the doubt before smashing their keyboard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:35:11 GMT -5
After seeing SDCC reveals, its become more apparent that Mattel, WWE, or both are comfortable in the tried and true legends. All of the announced Legends line (except Greg Valentine)have had Mattel figures before and some of them have had a lot of them. Are some guys considered too obscure and too much of a risk as pegwarmers or is it solely "we don't have the rights". Would mattel even be interested in mid-carders that the collectors would want but a casual fan might not know or remember? Why make Haku or Brother Love or the Genius when you can make another Macho Man or Dibiase or Steamboat? This is not a gripe post. I am honestly trying to figure out if some of my wishlist will never happen due to not enough name recognition or demand. My wants and many I've seen in other posts Haku MaybeZeus NoBrody Definitely noCaptain Lou DoubtfulJesse Ventura ProbablyOne Man Gang DoubtfulSlick NoMr Fuji MaybeBrother Love MaybeThe Genius NoThe Mountie DoubtfulRougeau Brothers NoDynamite Kid NoRock n Roll Express NoSteiners NoBad News Brown DoubtfulHercules MaybeKoko B ware ProbablyShane Douglas NoGiant Gonzalez MaybeAbdullah the Butcher NoSmoking Gunns NoTest NoRepo Man DoubtfulKona Crush DoubtfulTaz DoubtfulSabu NoNikita Koloff NoEtc. Etc. My guesses!
The Mountie is a No (as per Bill's comment a while back- he clearly stated that a Mountie figure will never happen)
Mr. Fuji is likely a No as well. His daughter (who is in charge of his estate) joined the concussion lawsuit very late and there has been no merch of Fuji. Topps has had the WWE trading card liecnse since 2005 and have not released even 1 card of Mr. Fuji so it looks like she might not be interested in signing a legends deal with WWE.
I think the time for getting figures of even some of these guys has come and gone. If they haven't bothered to sign any one of these wrestlers in the 10 years that Mattel has had the license then why would they sign them now?! Factor in what stc13 stated that WWE seem to be moving away from legends (except the big names) and it seems more doubtful that any of the legends listed in the OP will be signed.
How do you know that Bill has requested any of the names people are asking for?! He doesn't like this forum so I doubt if he cares enough to submit official request for the niche, lower level talent that most on here keep requesting and would like to see figures of. I am starting to wonder if Valentine getting made was actually Steve's doing as he is the one who seems to be more in the corner of collectors and doing whatever he can to keep people happy (and to keep buying figures  ). At one point, I recall reading on here that Bill was making fun of the quite vocal bunch that kept asking for Greg Valentine to be made. |
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 29, 2020 14:51:59 GMT -5
Mine is unrealistic... My main wants are
Buff for nWo
WM9 Steiners
The Patriot
Stan Hansen
Smokin Gunns
US Express
Powers of Pain
None are happening 🤔
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