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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 12:26:38 GMT -5
More power to him since he's apparently happy and he's making money, but I think AEW should've focused more on elevating their current core of talent instead of signing more ex-WWE guys. Cody said there was a hiring freeze, with the only exception being Cardona when his 90 days were up. WWE has had like 750 wrestlers on their roster over the last decade, so at some point they're going to sign ex-WWE talent. Cardona's a guy with a HUGE following and he's feuding with the Beaver Boys. It's not like he came in and won the title off of Mox. They're building up their own talent really well right now (especially on the last few weeks). You have a link to the hiring freeze comment? I'm curious if it extended to women
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Post by Bpatrick on Aug 7, 2020 12:42:36 GMT -5
In regards to the five appearances, I read all AEW talent start like this - which if true, I think is a good idea because by the fifth appearance you are getting a vibe of all the important things - how the person conducts themselves on screen, backstage and time for any negative press to surface as it does in the current age.
I think it’s really unfair to judge anything two shots in. Especially in this spot where there is no more restricted formula and potentially ring rust for getting cut during a pandemic.
I was a big fan of the guy back when he started the Woo Woo Woo on the Dirt Sheet. I remember going nuts in my section for him in the prestos of Mania 26 when he went to the limit with YOSHI TATSU. And I definitely got looks as that was before the YouTube show.
While those of us who read wrestling news and collect wrestling stuff glamorize this stuff, at the end of the day, he is doing his job. Any time someone goes to a new office or store or whatever place they work, it takes time to acclimate to the climate and the culture and lose all the habits you had to adhere to for your old boss.
From the glimpses those of us without any real knowledge get from reading and listening to things, the guy has a passion and has spent his whole adult-life being a good soldier, rather than having an opportunity at any sort of spotlight. Keep in mind many internet people were complaining about Hangman and Britt Baker at the start of AEW and the two have gone on to be two of the best acts going in the company.
tl;dr WAY too early to judge but I think Cardona will be just fine and happy to see him finally given the opportunity to entertain me
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Post by K5 on Aug 7, 2020 12:55:56 GMT -5
first off, very cool to see more people chiming in with well thought opinions.
and as for the main topic, I wasn't thrilled with the signing. AEW isn't by any means a perfect product, I'd ask which one ever was, but I would take Cardona over Hardy by a mile. which, to be fair, isn't saying much.
I have really enjoyed Cody's arc over the last year. the initial failings against Jericho and MJF, the internet criticism and doubt, his win over Archer for the title - to me they're telling a fantastic story of a character. when he turns heel it's going to mean so damn much - I have no doubt he'll have legit heat.
with that said, I have faith in Cardona's involvement in that story arc. where his career and character go long term, really not sure. we've seen one dimension of him, he's extremely comfortable on camera, let's see what happens.
we've see two friends turn on Cody in Spears and MJF. so perhaps Cardona will be Cody's first adversary after the inevitable turn.
legit heat in wrestling in 2020 and it's not for injuring your opponents frequently, crazy!
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Post by snowjorden on Aug 7, 2020 13:58:40 GMT -5
I literally couldn't be more excited or have more anticipation for where this all goes in the future.
The whole, "don't hire more WWE people," line is NOT one I've ever subscribed too. Knowing for nearly 15+ years now, through shoot interviews, podcasts, dirtsheets and etc, how stifiling the WWE system is, I actually find it awesome when companies snag an under utilized WWE talent.
Make no mistake, Matt Cardona might personify under utilized more than any person in WWE over the last 20 years.
Is he the greatest in-ring, flippy, floppy, high spot wrestler? Nope. Doesn't matter.
Topping a LOT of people's lists of the best AEW match so far, is Dustin vs. Cody. Some would say, Omega/Page vs. Bucks, and that's fine, I'll let those that say that, have that.
I'm in the Cody vs. Dustin camp though. I enjoy hard hitting, grappling, story telling, more mat based wrestling. Matt Cardona will more then likely fit that style, so for me, I'm intrigued to see him with comlpete creative freedom, in that aspect.
Also, as many might remember, I made a claim that Cardona could realistically be considered a top 3 draw for AEW. With no real way to measure a persons drawing ability due to the way wrestling is promoted these days, I inferred social media following could be closely translated to viable drawing power. Matt is in the Top 3 of AEW in this regard.
* Others pointed out possible fake accounts following, etc.. fair enough.
Regardless, the above could have a huge impact on AEW if it does infact translate to Matt's social media / podcast following, following him to AEW.
Rambling, trying to switch my mind off from a personal real life situation, sorry..
In short, Matt Cardona in AEW, helllll yeah!
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Post by LA Times on Aug 7, 2020 14:01:32 GMT -5
He can definitely help plug their action figure line
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 14:33:45 GMT -5
He can definitely help plug their action figure line Yes, and other products. Hiring him was a smart business decision. He brings a lot to the table. I agree the roster feels saturated, but this was a smart signing.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 7, 2020 14:54:02 GMT -5
Cody said there was a hiring freeze, with the only exception being Cardona when his 90 days were up. WWE has had like 750 wrestlers on their roster over the last decade, so at some point they're going to sign ex-WWE talent. Cardona's a guy with a HUGE following and he's feuding with the Beaver Boys. It's not like he came in and won the title off of Mox. They're building up their own talent really well right now (especially on the last few weeks). You have a link to the hiring freeze comment? I'm curious if it extended to women I sure don’t. I’m on the road now (getting gas). I’m sure the ol’ google might find it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 16:02:42 GMT -5
I literally couldn't be more excited or have more anticipation for where this all goes in the future. The whole, "don't hire more WWE people," line is NOT one I've ever subscribed too. Knowing for nearly 15+ years now, through shoot interviews, podcasts, dirtsheets and etc, how stifiling the WWE system is, I actually find it awesome when companies snag an under utilized WWE talent. Make no mistake, Matt Cardona might personify under utilized more than any person in WWE over the last 20 years. Is he the greatest in-ring, flippy, floppy, high spot wrestler? Nope. Doesn't matter. Topping a LOT of people's lists of the best AEW match so far, is Dustin vs. Cody. Some would say, Omega/Page vs. Bucks, and that's fine, I'll let those that say that, have that. I'm in the Cody vs. Dustin camp though. I enjoy hard hitting, grappling, story telling, more mat based wrestling. Matt Cardona will more then likely fit that style, so for me, I'm intrigued to see him with comlpete creative freedom, in that aspect. Also, as many might remember, I made a claim that Cardona could realistically be considered a top 3 draw for AEW. With no real way to measure a persons drawing ability due to the way wrestling is promoted these days, I inferred social media following could be closely translated to viable drawing power. Matt is in the Top 3 of AEW in this regard. * Others pointed out possible fake accounts following, etc.. fair enough. Regardless, the above could have a huge impact on AEW if it does infact translate to Matt's social media / podcast following, following him to AEW. Rambling, trying to switch my mind off from a personal real life situation, sorry.. In short, Matt Cardona in AEW, helllll yeah! I'm gonna spin this back to Cardona so it stays somewhat on topic, but I'll go ahead and stamp my name down in the Cody vs. Dustin camp, WITH the caveat that I think the Omega/Page vs. Bucks match may actually be the greatest tag team match of all time. That's how great I think that Cody vs. Dustin match was. I've probably watched it close to 10 times now, and I still get literal goosebumps and chills every time. It was literally their entire lives put into a match. Anyways, back to Cardona. I gotta imagine he'll be a long term person here. Maybe it's a 5 appearance tryout, maybe it's a 5 appearance out clause for him if he doesn't like it. I know when Moxley signed they put in a 1 year out clause for him despite it being a 3 year contract. It was a way to get him on board knowing he could be out in a year if it wasn't what he wanted. Regarding the thing about all AEW talent starting on 5 appearances. I think mathematically we've proven that it's not everyone who starts like that. Eddie Kingston was originally going to be brought on for a few appearances (more than just the 1 off TNT match), and instead they just gave him a bigger contract right out the gate. FTR likely had an early out clause for themselves if they didn't like it, but I don't buy for 1 second it was ever a 'handshake' agreement. Abbadon got her contract confirmed before she hit 5 appearances, etc, etc. They definitely do a lot of tryout type situations, but I think it very much varies person to person. I imagine in this case any limitations are on Cardona's side, not theirs. Given his relevance to marketing their toy line, and his history, I can't imagine them actually putting him on a 'tryout'. I'd put the odds at 95% we see Cardona in this company for a long time.
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 8, 2020 13:48:18 GMT -5
You have a link to the hiring freeze comment? I'm curious if it extended to women I sure don’t. I’m on the road now (getting gas). I’m sure the ol’ google might find it. Yeah except they literally just signed Eddie Kingston. He talked himself into that contract with that promo lol.
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 8, 2020 13:51:14 GMT -5
I see the five appearance deal more of a way to gauge the worth of Cardona. Base his salary off of his numbers, merch sales etc.
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Post by Yayo on Aug 9, 2020 6:57:13 GMT -5
I think he’ll make them a lot of money and be a good ambassador for the company, but I couldn’t care less about him personally. He’s never been that entertaining to me, on the stick or in the ring, and I don’t account that as him being “held back.” I see him in the same way I still see Shawn Spears - a guy who got super over off of a very dumb gimmick who has had less than a handful of memorable matches. But he will draw, there’s no doubt about that.
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Post by laythvandam on Aug 9, 2020 7:07:49 GMT -5
Cardona can offer something to the company I just hope he drops the immature marky BS that he was known for in the WWE. Have him be more of a serious character.
His social media following can only do good for AEW. I'm still shocked out of all that talent let go by WWE post Mania that he's the only one they hired.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 9, 2020 8:19:16 GMT -5
Cardona can offer something to the company I just hope he drops the immature marky BS that he was known for in the WWE. Have him be more of a serious character. His social media following can only do good for AEW. I'm still shocked out of all that talent let go by WWE post Mania that he's the only one they hired. I think one of the things AEW has nailed is that they bring in people who have gotten themselves over before. It would have been a huge mistake to sign most of the people released by WWE. Cardona has a solid following and can bring some number of them to AEW. I’m pretty excited to see what they do with him.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 9, 2020 8:21:55 GMT -5
I sure don’t. I’m on the road now (getting gas). I’m sure the ol’ google might find it. Yeah except they literally just signed Eddie Kingston. He talked himself into that contract with that promo lol. I’m pretty sure I heard about that freeze AFTER Eddie’s match, but it took a while to negotiate his deal due to him having a contract elsewhere. I either saw that comment on twitter or heard it on the vow patreon.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 9:31:34 GMT -5
Love the guy so I’m really interested to see what he does
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Post by NYdream™ on Aug 9, 2020 16:03:04 GMT -5
Yeah except they literally just signed Eddie Kingston. He talked himself into that contract with that promo lol. I’m pretty sure I heard about that freeze AFTER Eddie’s match, but it took a while to negotiate his deal due to him having a contract elsewhere. I either saw that comment on twitter or heard it on the vow patreon. I thought I heard about the hiring freeze before the Kingston match but I could be wrong.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 9, 2020 16:30:05 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure I heard about that freeze AFTER Eddie’s match, but it took a while to negotiate his deal due to him having a contract elsewhere. I either saw that comment on twitter or heard it on the vow patreon. I thought I heard about the hiring freeze before the Kingston match but I could be wrong. I mean the Khan fam is so rich, they can still hire. lol
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2020 16:32:33 GMT -5
Solid worker. Definitely an enhancement talent at this point in his career. However, bred for the WWE machine... not this “alternative” AEW claims they’re putting out.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Aug 9, 2020 17:03:21 GMT -5
Solid worker. Definitely an enhancement talent at this point in his career. However, bred for the WWE machine... not this “alternative” AEW claims they’re putting out. I think Wwe could have used him better at times but honestly not much better. He is Def a lower card guy who should make other talent look good. Honestly his tag partner is a better worker than him. Ryder does have more charisma but it definitely wears on some.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 9, 2020 19:49:45 GMT -5
Solid worker. Definitely an enhancement talent at this point in his career. However, bred for the WWE machine... not this “alternative” AEW claims they’re putting out. If he’s used as a mid-card guy to put their talent over, why does that not work for AEW?
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