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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 12, 2020 20:48:56 GMT -5
I guess there wasn’t much truth/backing/legitimate proof to the claims made against him
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 12, 2020 21:03:24 GMT -5
Or, like the Riddle situation, there was proof but not enough for WWE to do the responsible thing and make a statement. I don’t fully believe Dream is innocent and I sure as hell think bringing him back right now is insanely stupid.
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Post by marino13 on Aug 12, 2020 21:05:52 GMT -5
Yeah I dunno. I pray they had an outsider do a legit investigation. If he's been cleared, okay. If there's any questions lingering... ugh.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Aug 12, 2020 21:43:39 GMT -5
I mean he did say after he got hacked that he was hiring a third party firm to trace the hack and clear his name....and then the 2nd happened.
I mean it’s kinda like Justin Roberts still being with AEW. You just kinda trust that due diligence was done. Some guys got fired, some guys got suspended, and some guys were proven innocent to a degree.
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Post by Darkhawk on Aug 12, 2020 23:02:07 GMT -5
I don't think he's innocent at all. His actions will come up again eventually.
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Post by slappy on Aug 12, 2020 23:07:34 GMT -5
They are fine with employing pedophiles. Jerry Lawler, Pat Patterson, Velveteen Dream.
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Post by trones on Aug 12, 2020 23:17:43 GMT -5
I sure hope that they looked into it and found it to be false, but then again if Vince covered up a murder and the Patterson situation, he could easy cover up this as well, I hope they at least release a statement debunking the allegations and not just wait for it to blow over like it did earlier this year
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 13, 2020 4:40:17 GMT -5
Or, like the Riddle situation, there was proof but not enough for WWE to do the responsible thing and make a statement. I don’t fully believe Dream is innocent and I sure as hell think bringing him back right now is insanely stupid. Riddles accuser only had proof of an affair which he admitted was true. Why would they fire someone for having an affair lol other than that she’s been proven to be a crazy person who has stalked him in the past |
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Post by CM Tusk on Aug 13, 2020 5:35:24 GMT -5
Or, like the Riddle situation, there was proof but not enough for WWE to do the responsible thing and make a statement. I don’t fully believe Dream is innocent and I sure as hell think bringing him back right now is insanely stupid. Riddles accuser only had proof of an affair which he admitted was true. Why would they fire someone for having an affair lol other than that she’s been proven to be a crazy person who has stalked him in the past She had evidence of him and her together, on dates, after the time period that he claims she started “stalking” him. Just because someone can’t physically prove they were raped, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You do realize people are raped all of the time without any evidence to back it up later, right? Not only that, but they are others accounts of that said night that were around before and after the incident that collaborate her story. I’m not saying he is guilty, but there is evidence against him. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t always apply. Plenty of guilty people get away with their crimes. |
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Post by JTG on Aug 13, 2020 7:17:35 GMT -5
Riddles accuser only had proof of an affair which he admitted was true. Why would they fire someone for having an affair lol other than that she’s been proven to be a crazy person who has stalked him in the past She had evidence of him and her together, on dates, after the time period that he claims she started “stalking” him. Just because someone can’t physically prove they were raped, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You do realize people are raped all of the time without any evidence to back it up later, right? Not only that, but they are others accounts of that said night that were around before and after the incident that collaborate her story. I’m not saying he is guilty, but there is evidence against him. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t always apply. Plenty of guilty people get away with their crimes. Fair point, but after seeing the evidence that we were privy to it did appear as though she was a jilted ex lover/side piece that was upset when Riddle broke things off. Obviously nobody knows for sure but considering Riddle himself had to put a restraining order (which was granted) against the woman then one could also think there's a solid chance she was in fact stalking him. I'm not excusing Matt Riddle for his extramarital affair, he's clearly a dick. But he's a dick that at least owned that he was cheating on his wife. If she was in fact raped then I don't understand why she would continue to pursue him if she endured such a traumatic experience from Riddle. Then again, maybe she was blinded by infatuation. Who knows? It's really all blind speculation at this point. It's a very tricky topic. As for Dream - I find it very unfortunate because I really like his work but there was a LOT of evidence showing his antics. Now it's kind of hard to look past that when I see him on TV. It's hard to get behind somebody who seemed like such a blatant sexual predator using their status to try to hookup with barely legal and/or underage girls and guys. I hope if nothing else he's learned from this and keeps his focus on being a good performer and not grooming young people that are trying to break into the business. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 8:36:24 GMT -5
Somebody is really living up to their username. Yeeesh.
Glad to see Dream back, but not the way I would’ve done it.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Aug 13, 2020 9:40:02 GMT -5
Take it for what it’s worth because it is Meltzer but he did say on the show that then WWE did a pretty thorough investigation and he doesn’t know the results of it cause they won’t share that info with him, but they did do an investigation.
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Post by Old Zeke on Aug 13, 2020 10:02:32 GMT -5
What school does he go to? Anyone know?
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Post by dylan on Aug 13, 2020 10:07:21 GMT -5
She had evidence of him and her together, on dates, after the time period that he claims she started “stalking” him. Just because someone can’t physically prove they were raped, doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. You do realize people are raped all of the time without any evidence to back it up later, right? Not only that, but they are others accounts of that said night that were around before and after the incident that collaborate her story. I’m not saying he is guilty, but there is evidence against him. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t always apply. Plenty of guilty people get away with their crimes. Fair point, but after seeing the evidence that we were privy to it did appear as though she was a jilted ex lover/side piece that was upset when Riddle broke things off. Obviously nobody knows for sure but considering Riddle himself had to put a restraining order (which was granted) against the woman then one could also think there's a solid chance she was in fact stalking him. I'm not excusing Matt Riddle for his extramarital affair, he's clearly a dick. But he's a dick that at least owned that he was cheating on his wife. If she was in fact raped then I don't understand why she would continue to pursue him if she endured such a traumatic experience from Riddle. Then again, maybe she was blinded by infatuation. Who knows? It's really all blind speculation at this point. It's a very tricky topic. As for Dream - I find it very unfortunate because I really like his work but there was a LOT of evidence showing his antics. Now it's kind of hard to look past that when I see him on TV. It's hard to get behind somebody who seemed like such a blatant sexual predator using their status to try to hookup with barely legal and/or underage girls and guys. I hope if nothing else he's learned from this and keeps his focus on being a good performer and not grooming young people that are trying to break into the business. Riddle's excuses all began to contradict themselves when he was saying she was a crazy stalker and him and his wife had were trying to get restraining orders but the girl had proof they were still seeing each other that whole time. Not to mention a few wrestlers backing up her claims and saying how Riddle would just brag about making her do whatever no matter where they were, yet you don't see anyone coming to his defense. Same with Teenage Dream. It brings up a lot of red flags when none of "the boys" are willing to back you up. Plus, I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't anything to this investigation involving Dream being a groomer. Vince is known to cover up shady shit. You can't really use NXT UK's firings to say "well dream must have been innocent if all those guys got released" since they've been trying to kill that brand off for seemingly forever now. Probably saw this as an excuse to thin the herd more than anything. Covering up for and protecting one of their most popular NXT stars, however? Way different story. |
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Post by JTG on Aug 13, 2020 12:08:31 GMT -5
Fair point, but after seeing the evidence that we were privy to it did appear as though she was a jilted ex lover/side piece that was upset when Riddle broke things off. Obviously nobody knows for sure but considering Riddle himself had to put a restraining order (which was granted) against the woman then one could also think there's a solid chance she was in fact stalking him. I'm not excusing Matt Riddle for his extramarital affair, he's clearly a dick. But he's a dick that at least owned that he was cheating on his wife. If she was in fact raped then I don't understand why she would continue to pursue him if she endured such a traumatic experience from Riddle. Then again, maybe she was blinded by infatuation. Who knows? It's really all blind speculation at this point. It's a very tricky topic. As for Dream - I find it very unfortunate because I really like his work but there was a LOT of evidence showing his antics. Now it's kind of hard to look past that when I see him on TV. It's hard to get behind somebody who seemed like such a blatant sexual predator using their status to try to hookup with barely legal and/or underage girls and guys. I hope if nothing else he's learned from this and keeps his focus on being a good performer and not grooming young people that are trying to break into the business. Same with Teenage Dream. It brings up a lot of red flags when none of "the boys" are willing to back you up. Plus, I wouldn't be shocked if there wasn't anything to this investigation involving Dream being a groomer. Vince is known to cover up shady crap. You can't really use NXT UK's firings to say "well dream must have been innocent if all those guys got released" since they've been trying to kill that brand off for seemingly forever now. Probably saw this as an excuse to thin the herd more than anything. Covering up for and protecting one of their most popular NXT stars, however? Way different story. I wasn't aware of that, and again I'm not excusing Riddle's behaviour. I was able to find the one screenshot of somebody reaching out to Cartwright saying they saw some stuff but couldn't find more context or who exactly it was from. Either way it was a dirtbag move. It's no secret the wrestling industry has a lot of skeletons, especially regarding abuse of various forms. I hope as this new generation breaks through changes continue to be made by the industry to keep all of their workers safe so that they don't feel they need to keep these things private out of fear of being blacklisted. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Aug 13, 2020 14:19:14 GMT -5
I guess with kids being back in school he doesn't have anymore dates.
Time to get back into the ring then!
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Post by hbkowns on Aug 13, 2020 14:49:29 GMT -5
I don’t know why they wanted him him back. It’s only going to garner negative attention. The perception of him has probably soured for so many people. You sure as hell can’t push him.
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Post by Newsted on Aug 13, 2020 16:18:53 GMT -5
Sexwithteen Dream shouldn't be in a wrestling ring anywhere.
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Post by Chip on Aug 13, 2020 17:18:52 GMT -5
 *edit* wow, its been a LONG time since anyone has used this |
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Post by K5 on Aug 13, 2020 20:58:30 GMT -5
I don’t know why they wanted him him back. It’s only going to garner negative attention. The perception of him has probably soured for so many people. You sure as hell can’t push him. and yet, that's exactly what's happening. |
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