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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 22:30:26 GMT -5
More screenshots and videos of the victims have been posted, this time with even more evidence. But big nose claimed to launch an investigation and found nothing. How can this be very interesting. Well look who he learned the cover up behaviour from. #Snukasaysthanks
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 22:52:39 GMT -5
Worth noting one of the victims is Canadian. I don't know how it works if it's an American messaging them, but age of consent is 16 in Canada, and Dream would not be considered in a position of power here (That is more teachers, bosses, etc). I have no idea about the laws in America and all I could find is that it seems to vary greatly from state to state so I have no idea how it works out with the American accusers.
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Post by Old Zeke on Aug 20, 2020 3:11:45 GMT -5
EXCLUSIVE: Footage has surfaced of HHH's investigation. Seriously, fire the guy already.
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Post by trones on Aug 20, 2020 4:46:06 GMT -5
Am I the only one surprised that this isn't getting any mainstream media coverage? They just brought back the guy even though there is clear evidence that he is talking up underage boys and they didn't even bother to try and disprove the evidence, I guess the mainstream don't really care about wrestling
Btw, they didn't upload the match with Finn on youtube, only the last segment, which doesn't include Velveteen Dream in the title, they know
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 20, 2020 4:49:53 GMT -5
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 20, 2020 5:14:12 GMT -5
Why don’t people understand how easily photos can be manipulated? If WWE did do an actual investigation, they discovered that the photos were fake.
Not everything is a cover up, not everything has some conspiracy, sometimes you just have to realize and sink into reality that there are bad people in this world who will try and ruin the careers of others for absolutely no reason.
The reason it has no main stream attention is because it’s all just random people on social media posting POTENTIALLY fake screenshots with no credibility or anything and everyone believes them.
I could go out and photoshop (Something I’m very good at) a photo that looks like I received suggestive photos from a certain popular figure and tell some story about what happened and everyone will believe me in a second if they don’t like the person. It’s literally that easy.
Im sure I’ll get bashed and you’ll say I’m defending him, but I’m simply trying to push everyone back into reality and stop saying how WWE is covering it up, because once again, most things in life aren’t a conspiracy and it’s all just bad people doing bad things and you need to accept it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 5:42:12 GMT -5
Why don’t people understand how easily photos can be manipulated? If WWE did do an actual investigation, they discovered that the photos were fake. Not everything is a cover up, not everything has some conspiracy, sometimes you just have to realize and sink into reality that there are bad people in this world who will try and ruin the careers of others for absolutely no reason. The reason it has no main stream attention is because it’s all just random people on social media posting POTENTIALLY fake screenshots with no credibility or anything and everyone believes them. I could go out and photoshop (Something I’m very good at) a photo that looks like I received suggestive photos from a certain popular figure and tell some story about what happened and everyone will believe me in a second if they don’t like the person. It’s literally that easy. Im sure I’ll get bashed and you’ll say I’m defending him, but I’m simply trying to push everyone back into reality and stop saying how WWE is covering it up, because once again, most things in life aren’t a conspiracy and it’s all just bad people doing bad things and you need to accept it No argument about the ease of manipulating photos. It's no different than how easy it is for reality tv to completely manipulate a situation and totally change the way a person comes across. That said, double edged sword on the 'not everything is a conspiracy' idea. There are quite a few different people posting things about him. If we're looking at what sounds like a conspiracy, the idea that a bunch of random teenagers with seemingly no connection to one another, all skilled at photo editing (if they weren't skilled these would have been debunked quickly) all decided they hate Velveteen Dream and just started piling on once one person took the initiative sounds more out there to me. Again, someone needs to correct me on American consent laws because I have no idea, but under Canadian law I'm not sure he's done anything illegal at all here. WWE's statement was you would be fired for criminal accounts. I don't know the location of all the victims/accusers, I just know one was Canadian, and our consent age here is 16, so the photos can be quite real and still not grounds to fire him per their own policy.
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Post by trones on Aug 20, 2020 6:04:05 GMT -5
Why don’t people understand how easily photos can be manipulated? If WWE did do an actual investigation, they discovered that the photos were fake. Not everything is a cover up, not everything has some conspiracy, sometimes you just have to realize and sink into reality that there are bad people in this world who will try and ruin the careers of others for absolutely no reason. The reason it has no main stream attention is because it’s all just random people on social media posting POTENTIALLY fake screenshots with no credibility or anything and everyone believes them. I could go out and photoshop (Something I’m very good at) a photo that looks like I received suggestive photos from a certain popular figure and tell some story about what happened and everyone will believe me in a second if they don’t like the person. It’s literally that easy. Im sure I’ll get bashed and you’ll say I’m defending him, but I’m simply trying to push everyone back into reality and stop saying how WWE is covering it up, because once again, most things in life aren’t a conspiracy and it’s all just bad people doing bad things and you need to accept it I understand where you're coming from and I agree that screenshots can be easily manipulated, when the first allegations came out I was very skeptical myself, it all looked very sus, but the thing is if this situation was as simple as some teenagers lying and making fake images in order to get somebody to lose their job, wouldn't WWE or Patrick have already released evidence debunking the claims made against them before they even thought of bringing him back, fake screenshots are easy to make, but they are also easy to debunk, so the fact that it's been months and the guy hasn't even attempted to try and debunk the screenshots makes me think that something else is going on, the fact that they supposedly did an investigation where they didn't contact the people speaking out also has me in doubt, I still don't wanna judge too hard here but it's not looking good for WWE or for Velveteen Dream While they are sick people who would lie to ruin someones life, they are also real victims who get taken advantage of at a young age by people they admire, and if a case like these comes up, I much rather believe it's the latter, especially if the person acussed hasn't even bother to debunk the claims
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Post by tylerbreezee on Aug 20, 2020 9:32:03 GMT -5
Why don’t people understand how easily photos can be manipulated? If WWE did do an actual investigation, they discovered that the photos were fake. Not everything is a cover up, not everything has some conspiracy, sometimes you just have to realize and sink into reality that there are bad people in this world who will try and ruin the careers of others for absolutely no reason. The reason it has no main stream attention is because it’s all just random people on social media posting POTENTIALLY fake screenshots with no credibility or anything and everyone believes them. I could go out and photoshop (Something I’m very good at) a photo that looks like I received suggestive photos from a certain popular figure and tell some story about what happened and everyone will believe me in a second if they don’t like the person. It’s literally that easy. Im sure I’ll get bashed and you’ll say I’m defending him, but I’m simply trying to push everyone back into reality and stop saying how WWE is covering it up, because once again, most things in life aren’t a conspiracy and it’s all just bad people doing bad things and you need to accept it No argument about the ease of manipulating photos. It's no different than how easy it is for reality tv to completely manipulate a situation and totally change the way a person comes across. That said, double edged sword on the 'not everything is a conspiracy' idea. There are quite a few different people posting things about him. If we're looking at what sounds like a conspiracy, the idea that a bunch of random teenagers with seemingly no connection to one another, all skilled at photo editing (if they weren't skilled these would have been debunked quickly) all decided they hate Velveteen Dream and just started piling on once one person took the initiative sounds more out there to me. Again, someone needs to correct me on American consent laws because I have no idea, but under Canadian law I'm not sure he's done anything illegal at all here. WWE's statement was you would be fired for criminal accounts. I don't know the location of all the victims/accusers, I just know one was Canadian, and our consent age here is 16, so the photos can be quite real and still not grounds to fire him per their own policy. Different states, different laws and a lot of states are 16 years so if what he said is real, if the person he said it to resides in one of those states, under the law he did nothing wrong
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Post by K5 on Aug 20, 2020 10:34:45 GMT -5
No argument about the ease of manipulating photos. It's no different than how easy it is for reality tv to completely manipulate a situation and totally change the way a person comes across. That said, double edged sword on the 'not everything is a conspiracy' idea. There are quite a few different people posting things about him. If we're looking at what sounds like a conspiracy, the idea that a bunch of random teenagers with seemingly no connection to one another, all skilled at photo editing (if they weren't skilled these would have been debunked quickly) all decided they hate Velveteen Dream and just started piling on once one person took the initiative sounds more out there to me. Again, someone needs to correct me on American consent laws because I have no idea, but under Canadian law I'm not sure he's done anything illegal at all here. WWE's statement was you would be fired for criminal accounts. I don't know the location of all the victims/accusers, I just know one was Canadian, and our consent age here is 16, so the photos can be quite real and still not grounds to fire him per their own policy. Different states, different laws and a lot of states are 16 years so if what he said is real, if the person he said it to resides in one of those states, under the law he did nothing wrong yeah, why don't all the wwe wrestlers just start messaging 16 year olds then? nothing predatory about that whatsoever
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Post by K5 on Aug 20, 2020 11:02:57 GMT -5
yeah, why don't all the wwe wrestlers just start messaging 16 year olds then? nothing predatory about that whatsoever If it’s not illegal in that state, how is it predatory? Maybe in your mind, morally it is, but according to the law and these girls who essentially go along with it and or egg it on, it’s not Also I think people tend to forget the age gap in relationships decades ago and how much older the men were when they began dating most of our moms or their grandpas with grandmas. My mom was 16 and my dad was I think 25? And that was literally normal back then, nobody saw anything wrong with it But times change I guess, I dunno it's more about ethics than actual morality or legality. wwe is a corporate company. to willingly employ people who are questioned of it if not all out guilty of engaging in messaging young people requesting nude pictures...that's an absolute fireball of controversy. that for some reason wwe is allowing without proper investigation. if I had teenage kids, and I knew that as soon as the law says they're of age that these people they watch on tv will talk to them in that way if they contact them, I would not want them to still pursue wreatling as an interest. it's daft on wwe's part to not handle this properly, but here we are.
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Post by Yambag Jones on Aug 20, 2020 11:14:36 GMT -5
This isn't WWE's first time #TerryGarvin
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5
this guy. I was a huge fan but that all went out the window. The fact that they’re still promoting this piece of trash and putting him on tv is disgusting
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 20, 2020 12:24:15 GMT -5
Even if what he did is legal in some areas, it's still disturbing and gross.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 12:35:27 GMT -5
Even if what he did is legal in some areas, it's still disturbing and gross. It’s so ed up that people are defending him. I don’t give a what the legal age of consent is, sending a kid adult messages and pictures is ed up from a morals stand point alone and anyone that supports this guys needs to be beat
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 20, 2020 13:17:04 GMT -5
Even if what he did is legal in some areas, it's still disturbing and gross. It’s so ed up that people are defending him. I don’t give a what the legal age of consent is, sending a kid adult messages and pictures is ed up from a morals stand point alone and anyone that supports this guys needs to be beat I wonder how these people that are defending him would react if Dream wasn't an internet darling. Imagine if it was Corbin or Nia Jax. I would like to say that I would be shocked at the outcome, I cant say I would be suprised knowing some of the members here.
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Post by JTG on Aug 20, 2020 13:31:54 GMT -5
As some others have pointed out, it might technically be legal to do what Dream did to people 16, 17, etc. depending on the state. My concern is that not only were they very young, it's also that it seems like overall predatory behaviour in the sense that he was seemingly using his clout and status in WWE to hookup with these teenagers. Even if it were somebody over 18, using your power for sexual gain is disturbing in its own right.
I'm not talking a "I'm going to take you out to dinner and show you how hefty my wallet is in the hopes you'll sleep with me later" situation. I'm talking the Harvey Weinstein-esque "If you hook up with me, send me me nudes, etc. I'll put in a good word for you at the office" kind of sleaze.
Considering Dream himself is on the younger side, the devil's advocate in me would like to chalk this up to his own immaturity and hopefully this experience has been a wakeup call for him to straighten up his act. I'm pretty sure this is the second time now he's been accused by a group of people for this kind of behaviour. For his sake and the sake of other potential victims I hope it's the last we hear of something like this - not because it's being brushed under the rug, but because he stops.
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Post by K5 on Aug 20, 2020 15:44:40 GMT -5
If I was a 16yo I would know better. Yeah, that doesnt excuse him but if I was a young kid in my teens, I wouldnt even engage in a chat of this type. I think even so called "kids" need to take responsiblity. Kinda like the the Epstein girl that is making the headlines...anyone ever ask what business she had being at all those socialite events with older men? I think alot of people dont argue this point enough. pretty sure that recognizing that his behavior was wrong and outing him for it to prevent this in the future is exactly the responsibility they needed to take.
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