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Post by newgenandy on May 28, 2021 12:58:09 GMT -5
The UK shipping issue has been explained to you. It’s not “outright refusal” it’s business. If we want the line to thrive Zombie will have to make tough decisions. If you want to figures there will be ways to get them but you will have to put in some work. Sorry man but Zombie is also aware of the many many ways to get around the issue of shipping to the UK so it is outright refusal at this time and he has friends that has means for shipping here in the UK. And you are right I can certainly find other means to gain access to these figures but the point is I should not have too if he is accommodating to everyone else, and please understand in order for me to acquire these figures there is additional costing right away, because I have to pay a percentage for someone agreeing to have them ship to their address as I would not want someone to do this service for free, then postage and customs on top of that. In reality it’s not worth getting into the ins and outs at this time and I don’t think the approach will change anytime soon, but this is certainly his informed choice he is making. I will say his figures are cool though. Also worth pointing out he found a case of fresh original tmnt (I believe it was) figures he refused to sell overseas Yet all the mwfpod stuff he has been involved with he has sold overseas To me that shows he could but doesn’t want to. Which is fine, it’s his right to choose where and how he sells. Likewise it’s our right to voice an opinion on it Personally I would’ve though sorting out better distribution would’ve been time better spent than signing enough wrestlers for 4 series before one had been produced and shipped but again it’s just a matter of opinion |
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Post by onlymoc21 on May 28, 2021 13:15:25 GMT -5
Sorry man but Zombie is also aware of the many many ways to get around the issue of shipping to the UK so it is outright refusal at this time and he has friends that has means for shipping here in the UK. And you are right I can certainly find other means to gain access to these figures but the point is I should not have too if he is accommodating to everyone else, and please understand in order for me to acquire these figures there is additional costing right away, because I have to pay a percentage for someone agreeing to have them ship to their address as I would not want someone to do this service for free, then postage and customs on top of that. In reality it’s not worth getting into the ins and outs at this time and I don’t think the approach will change anytime soon, but this is certainly his informed choice he is making. I will say his figures are cool though. Also worth pointing out he found a case of fresh original tmnt (I believe it was) figures he refused to sell overseas Yet all the mwfpod stuff he has been involved with he has sold overseas To me that shows he could but doesn’t want to. Which is fine, it’s his right to choose where and how he sells. Likewise it’s our right to voice an opinion on it Personally I would’ve though sorting out better distribution would’ve been time better spent than signing enough wrestlers for 4 series before one had been produced and shipped but again it’s just a matter of opinion All awesome points dude and very well said sir. |
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Post by britishbrickfan on May 28, 2021 15:24:26 GMT -5
having spoken with a couple of UK-based retailers, it sounds like Zombie has rejected all offers from the UK market
it's not illegal for a UK supplier to buy a quantity of his figures, and then resell them in the UK - it wouldn't affect customs duty etc, because it's a reseller relationship but apparently (from one company) ZST refused any form of reduction in cost, demonstrating that he's only in this for the money and not the fans/market
this is Zombie's line, so it's up to him how he markets it but frankly, I'm not prepared to pay any kind of 'premium' for an eBay reseller just to buy a handful of figures. I've got literally no interest in 50% or more of the figures/names he's announced so far. The ones I am interested in, I wouldn't pay $80 or more per figure, and that's before shipping is included. I'd rather wait for the next Mattel lineup and buy those instead. ZST has made it very clear he wants to deal with the US/Canadian market only, which is his decision but anyone who is prepared to buy his stuff via eBay is going to be paying a lot more than it's worth, and he obviously misses out on that cut. especially when he's clearly had interest from European-based vendors to help distribute his product globally.
meanwhile Chella and JB Toys/Asylum are taking preorders for their upcoming releases on both sides of the pond..... and that's before the next wave is announced. how did Chella manage to secure global distribution when the guy everyone was interested in spent his time chasing jobbers like Brawler?
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Post by hulkjoegan on May 28, 2021 16:12:39 GMT -5
Seems like maybe he’s trying to sign as many people as he can so that Chella can’t sign them & make figures before him.
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Post by onlymoc21 on May 28, 2021 16:48:21 GMT -5
having spoken with a couple of UK-based retailers, it sounds like Zombie has rejected all offers from the UK market it's not illegal for a UK supplier to buy a quantity of his figures, and then resell them in the UK - it wouldn't affect customs duty etc, because it's a reseller relationship but apparently (from one company) ZST refused any form of reduction in cost, demonstrating that he's only in this for the money and not the fans/market this is Zombie's line, so it's up to him how he markets it but frankly, I'm not prepared to pay any kind of 'premium' for an eBay reseller just to buy a handful of figures. I've got literally no interest in 50% or more of the figures/names he's announced so far. The ones I am interested in, I wouldn't pay $80 or more per figure, and that's before shipping is included. I'd rather wait for the next Mattel lineup and buy those instead. ZST has made it very clear he wants to deal with the US/Canadian market only, which is his decision but anyone who is prepared to buy his stuff via eBay is going to be paying a lot more than it's worth, and he obviously misses out on that cut. especially when he's clearly had interest from European-based vendors to help distribute his product globally. meanwhile Chella and JB Toys/Asylum are taking preorders for their upcoming releases on both sides of the pond..... and that's before the next wave is announced. how did Chella manage to secure global distribution when the guy everyone was interested in spent his time chasing jobbers like Brawler? Dude if anyone ever asks why UK sellers have an issue with Zombie I am just going to copy and paste this. You have summed this up beautifully. This is every issue, concern and complaint rolled into one. Well said, very well said. Thanks for taking the time on your reply dude it’s factual and very well thought out. I agree with all you have highlighted. |
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Post by onlymoc21 on May 28, 2021 16:57:23 GMT -5
having spoken with a couple of UK-based retailers, it sounds like Zombie has rejected all offers from the UK market it's not illegal for a UK supplier to buy a quantity of his figures, and then resell them in the UK - it wouldn't affect customs duty etc, because it's a reseller relationship but apparently (from one company) ZST refused any form of reduction in cost, demonstrating that he's only in this for the money and not the fans/market this is Zombie's line, so it's up to him how he markets it but frankly, I'm not prepared to pay any kind of 'premium' for an eBay reseller just to buy a handful of figures. I've got literally no interest in 50% or more of the figures/names he's announced so far. The ones I am interested in, I wouldn't pay $80 or more per figure, and that's before shipping is included. I'd rather wait for the next Mattel lineup and buy those instead. ZST has made it very clear he wants to deal with the US/Canadian market only, which is his decision but anyone who is prepared to buy his stuff via eBay is going to be paying a lot more than it's worth, and he obviously misses out on that cut. especially when he's clearly had interest from European-based vendors to help distribute his product globally. meanwhile Chella and JB Toys/Asylum are taking preorders for their upcoming releases on both sides of the pond..... and that's before the next wave is announced. how did Chella manage to secure global distribution when the guy everyone was interested in spent his time chasing jobbers like Brawler? In addition I am not buying for a second he does not have the means of to selling to UK and EU. He has a lot of “friends” in high places who have their product sold in the UK. In fact that’s call it out right he is friends with MWFP guys who have contacts with 2 UK wrestling merchandise providers and if needs be an in with Ringside that could ship to UK also, so why not use his resources, does Cardona and Myers not want there figures to reach more buyers of course they would as they are actually granted royalties with this line, let’s get some answers as Cardona (and Zombie) is on this board so why not ask outright what is the issue because every argument Zombie is making has a solution, and the more and more is known the more it actually does come down to greed and all about profit. |
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Post by TheLastDude on May 28, 2021 18:20:44 GMT -5
Awwwwwkward....
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on May 28, 2021 19:35:52 GMT -5
Anyone know the price point of these? I also hope they paint them glossy like Hasbros were. I don’t really like this Matte finish way.
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Post by crush on May 28, 2021 21:19:24 GMT -5
Anyone know the price point of these? I also hope they paint them glossy like Hasbros were. I don’t really like this Matte finish way. These are hand painted protos. Pretty sure the finished products are going to be shiny. I believe all we know about the price point is under $40, which is super nebulous |
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Post by crush on May 28, 2021 21:27:14 GMT -5
It’s tough to say the figures will or won’t fit with Hasbros when we haven’t actually seen a figure yet. The original Hasbro 2-ups and paintmasters also look more “realistic” and sculpted than the final figures. I’m not trying to defend Zombie or the line or anything, they may 100% not fit in at all. But I just think we need to see an actual figure, not a preproduction piece, before deciding either way. I didn't post this, until he shared this paintmaster today. Do you have a photo of a Hasbro paintmaster ever looking like this? All the ones I saw looked pretty close to the final product...
Sorry for the delayed response, work has been crazy the last couple of weeks and missed your reply. Not the best photo, but:  The 2Up has more realistic colors, and overall looks slightly less cartoony than the actual mass produced figure ended up being. Like I initially said, I don’t if that will be the case with these, but just that I don’t think any decision can be made either way until we actually see the real finished figures. |
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Post by mrh on May 28, 2021 21:44:38 GMT -5
I didn't post this, until he shared this paintmaster today. Do you have a photo of a Hasbro paintmaster ever looking like this? All the ones I saw looked pretty close to the final product...
Sorry for the delayed response, work has been crazy the last couple of weeks and missed your reply. Not the best photo, but: The 2Up has more realistic colors, and overall looks slightly less cartoony than the actual mass produced figure ended up being. Like I initially said, I don’t if that will be the case with these, but just that I don’t think any decision can be made either way until we actually see the real finished figures.
But the Sabu isn't a two-up (which has to be more detailed) -- it's the actual size figure
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on May 28, 2021 22:25:23 GMT -5
Anyone know the price point of these? I also hope they paint them glossy like Hasbros were. I don’t really like this Matte finish way. These are hand painted protos. Pretty sure the finished products are going to be shiny. I believe all we know about the price point is under $40, which is super nebulous Under 40$ doesn’t really sound too promising. Maybe if they say under 30 or 25, it might sound more promising and I’d want them more. But if they going to try and get top dollar I’d be very selective. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on May 28, 2021 23:41:46 GMT -5
“ZST would make more money selling these in the UK!”
“ZST won’t sell these in the UK because he only cares about money!”
Pick one. Or ideally, just create a “whining fans with entitlement issues” thread in the UK board and post the same repetitive moaning in there instead of in this thread.
I’m in the UK. If I want any of these figures enough to pay the price they’re going for, I’ll pay it. If I don’t, I won’t. Either way, that’s my decision, and I’m an adult so I’m not going to be throwing a ton of “mom said it’s my turn on the Xbox” energy at the company selling these.
Sabu and Dino look pretty great. I feel like they’d fit in decently enough with Hasbro WWF/Mattel Retro WWE. The issue for me is just that I’m not a great fan of either of the wrestlers, and I’m not a Hasbro WWF completist so I don’t have the same craving for new names in that style, the way that folks with full collections do. I have mostly just the Mattel Retros now, so for me, I’d be more excited adding a bunch of the Hasbro figures to my collection than I would adding Dino Bravo or Sabu. With that said, they do both broadly fit the timeline, and I’m thinking I may want as complete a roster as possible eventually...
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Post by The Masked Luchador on May 29, 2021 15:38:07 GMT -5
This thread is gonna make me cheer on Cody at the ppv.
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Post by @Chair.Shot on May 29, 2021 18:03:49 GMT -5
These are hand painted protos. Pretty sure the finished products are going to be shiny. I believe all we know about the price point is under $40, which is super nebulous Under 40$ doesn’t really sound too promising. Maybe if they say under 30 or 25, it might sound more promising and I’d want them more. But if they going to try and get top dollar I’d be very selective.  Also, if I had to deal with the type of dramatic crying in this thread, I would go out of my way to not do business overseas. |
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Post by mrh on May 29, 2021 22:32:52 GMT -5
Does anyone think Zombie is bummed he didn't get Adam Bomb -- or didn't pursue him? I actually think Zombie is better off doing people that have never been in Hasbro form -- even though Adam Bomb's Hasbro is so rare...
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Post by onlymoc21 on May 30, 2021 1:42:20 GMT -5
Under 40$ doesn’t really sound too promising. Maybe if they say under 30 or 25, it might sound more promising and I’d want them more. But if they going to try and get top dollar I’d be very selective. Also, if I had to deal with the type of dramatic crying in this thread, I would go out of my way to not do business overseas. Really? You would go out of your way? Sounds spiteful dude. If you read comments people are trying to help his business by buying his product, how is the consumer in the wrong? |
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Post by onlymoc21 on May 30, 2021 1:54:24 GMT -5
Under 40$ doesn’t really sound too promising. Maybe if they say under 30 or 25, it might sound more promising and I’d want them more. But if they going to try and get top dollar I’d be very selective. Also, if I had to deal with the type of dramatic crying in this thread, I would go out of my way to not do business overseas. Also to your point, that is the exact approach Zombie is taking, as stated previously, he has been presented with solutions and is choosing not to accommodate. Wrestling fans are some of the most vocal on the planet. If Zombie can’t take that he is in the wrong business for sure. |
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Post by casanova on May 30, 2021 8:12:10 GMT -5
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Post by @Chair.Shot on May 30, 2021 8:12:23 GMT -5
I would absolutely go out of my way to avoid making more money if it created even more work/more headaches for my business which already has a lot going on. With the existence of the secondary market, I wouldn’t be too worried about a vocal minority who will eventually pipe down when they don’t get what they want. Land mass is not a proper visual representation but it fits into the conversion as it is a good enough example.  There is a VAST difference in market size...UK collectors really are a small segment (even smaller when you consider how many will buy even a handful of these). If it is worth it to him, he will do it. But until he says how or why he won’t...just drop it. Stop spamming the thread with the same complaint. Go address him directly and stop whining in here. Be proactive about it. |
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