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Post by Triple S: POOR on Apr 13, 2021 16:16:07 GMT -5
Sounds to me that he has no major passion to return to wrestling more than anything else.
The guy is doing horror movies and living his every day life. Which he is clearly passionate about. It’s not like he needs to sit by the phone in the hopes someone offers him a deal. If it’s there and it happens, it happens.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 13, 2021 16:18:30 GMT -5
I feel like Punk has come around on a wrestling return ever since he’s become kinda a man without a home. He did UFC, didn’t really work out. He did Marvel comics, didn’t really work out. He’s getting to the point where he need wrestling if for anything else, to make money elsewhere. You always want 2 sides fighting over you, so when he goes to Hollywood and says “IDK, I might go wrestle, look at all the money they’re offering me!”...it’s increases your value. Right now he’s got little value to anybody. I feel like if he DID come back to wrestling, he’d get lower offers than he would have a few years back. He’s starting to sound like one of those guys that’s discreetly begging for somebody to offer him money so he can wrestle again & nobody is calling. I think he’s had offers...the problem is he likely keeps turning them down due to “not offering him enough” based on his past interviews. He likely has a ridiculously large number in his head that he thinks he’s worth, while the WWE and AEW have a far less number in mind. He’s always bragged about being frugle and having all the money he’d ever need, but everyone likes that extra security of money consistently coming in. His UFC stint was a failure, and his other adventures haven’t been any more successful either. I won’t say it’s for certain, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back for one more match one day. The only question is will he be willing to come to an agreement between what he believes he’s worth and what others believe he’s worth (I agree that the UFC stint hurt his marketability a bit, even when only considering his standing with wrestling fans). Oh I totally agree, I feel like his brand took a major hit in UFC. All smart businessmen use their celebrity to make MORE money, which he did initially by going to UFC. But since then, I don’t know, he just kinda lost momentum. A few years back I swear he probably could have named his price. Right now, I feel like he’s putting out the feelers, with each interview he seems more and more open to a return and is like “the right offer or right combination”, which basically means, hey guys, send me a good offer and I’ll wrestle. Before it was just, NO, I HATE WRESTLING. haha But yea, bottom line is, I feel like if somebody offered him a decent amount of money, he’d come back! They obviously aren’t offering him what he thinks he’s worth either because A) it’s an astronomical amount or B) They just don’t think he’s worth all the money and are intimidated to even offer an amount. I also think there’s a pretty good chance that he’s keeping his hands hot until the pandemic ends, nobody wants to waste a CM Punk return on an empty crowd. If he’s gonna come back it’s gonna be when fans can return to shows and he can help draw houses again. It honestly would be a waste to blow that return now when the absolute minimum can be gained from it.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 13, 2021 16:28:10 GMT -5
I think he’s had offers...the problem is he likely keeps turning them down due to “not offering him enough” based on his past interviews. He likely has a ridiculously large number in his head that he thinks he’s worth, while the WWE and AEW have a far less number in mind. He’s always bragged about being frugle and having all the money he’d ever need, but everyone likes that extra security of money consistently coming in. His UFC stint was a failure, and his other adventures haven’t been any more successful either. I won’t say it’s for certain, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back for one more match one day. The only question is will he be willing to come to an agreement between what he believes he’s worth and what others believe he’s worth (I agree that the UFC stint hurt his marketability a bit, even when only considering his standing with wrestling fans). Oh I totally agree, I feel like his brand took a major hit in UFC. All smart businessmen use their celebrity to make MORE money, which he did initially by going to UFC. But since then, I don’t know, he just kinda lost momentum. A few years back I swear he probably could have named his price. Right now, I feel like he’s putting out the feelers, with each interview he seems more and more open to a return and is like “the right offer or right combination”, which basically means, hey guys, send me a good offer and I’ll wrestle. Before it was just, NO, I HATE WRESTLING. haha But yea, bottom line is, I feel like if somebody offered him a decent amount of money, he’d come back! They obviously aren’t offering him what he thinks he’s worth either because A) it’s an astronomical amount or B) They just don’t think he’s worth all the money and are intimidated to even offer an amount. I also think there’s a pretty good chance that he’s keeping his hands hot until the pandemic ends, nobody wants to waste a CM Punk return on an empty crowd. If he’s gonna come back it’s gonna be when fans can return to shows and he can help draw houses again. It honestly would be a waste to blow that return now when the absolute minimum can be gained from it. For sure before his UFC stint he likely could have named his price just short of “Brock money” if he ever got the inkling to wrestle again. The problem is rather than become a commentator or analyst, he wanted to step into the octagon and we all know how that went (his “aura” took a huge hit after just his first loss, let alone the even more embarrassing second loss). Maybe he’s still ok not stepping back into the ring again, but rather than outright deny it ever happening, he’s likely hoping he still gets that large pay day (doesn’t hurt his chances that we have two legit billionaires running the two biggest promotions in the US).
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 13, 2021 16:34:19 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree, I feel like his brand took a major hit in UFC. All smart businessmen use their celebrity to make MORE money, which he did initially by going to UFC. But since then, I don’t know, he just kinda lost momentum. A few years back I swear he probably could have named his price. Right now, I feel like he’s putting out the feelers, with each interview he seems more and more open to a return and is like “the right offer or right combination”, which basically means, hey guys, send me a good offer and I’ll wrestle. Before it was just, NO, I HATE WRESTLING. haha But yea, bottom line is, I feel like if somebody offered him a decent amount of money, he’d come back! They obviously aren’t offering him what he thinks he’s worth either because A) it’s an astronomical amount or B) They just don’t think he’s worth all the money and are intimidated to even offer an amount. I also think there’s a pretty good chance that he’s keeping his hands hot until the pandemic ends, nobody wants to waste a CM Punk return on an empty crowd. If he’s gonna come back it’s gonna be when fans can return to shows and he can help draw houses again. It honestly would be a waste to blow that return now when the absolute minimum can be gained from it. For sure before his UFC stint he likely could have named his price just short of “Brock money” if he ever got the inkling to wrestle again. The problem is rather than become a commentator or analyst, he wanted to step into the octagon and we all know how that went (his “aura” took a huge hit after just his first loss, let alone the even more embarrassing second loss). Maybe he’s still ok not stepping back into the ring again, but rather than outright deny it ever happening, he’s likely hoping he still gets that large pay day (doesn’t hurt his chances that we have two legit billionaires running the two biggest promotions in the US). UFC was just a terrible volley for him to have coming out of WWE. You have wrestling, which as physical as it is, is looked at as “fake” to the mainstream audience. UFC is real fighting, both are combat sports of sorts, definitely in the same neighborhood of entertainment, and he just got beat up for real. I can’t say I have ever sat there and said, I wonder if Undertaker can fight in real life? But knowing is another ballgame It’s hard to come back to a show where you have to make people believe your a tough guy after you just looked as clueless in a real fight as he did 2 times. And he looked AWFUL, he looked so bad that he looked better the first match because the guy just beat the hell out of him in 15 seconds haha. The second time, he showcases just how little he knew about mixed martial arts. Yea, CM Punk is not a story of wise business decisions haha
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 13, 2021 16:40:09 GMT -5
He chose to walk away from the WWE and wrestling because he was scheduled to wrestle Triple H at Wrestlemania and he felt he deserved to be in the main event and be WWE Champion.... that pretty much sums up being a fan of yourself. I mean, there was more to the story than that, lol. It was also 7 years ago at this point so I feel like to brand him that way for life is a little unreasonable. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion of course, just my 2 cents.
Correct, it was 7 years ago... and CM Punk still hasn't come back to the WWE. If he was over that all he would have returned for the fans, and because he loves wrestling. I think CM Punk likes being a millionaire and not having to wrestle anymore. So he will work the fans as much as he can in interviews now but never will he ever step foot into a wrestling ring again.
He could have debuted in AEW, he could have went back to ROH, he could have even went to Impact. He chose not to. Because he wants the main event of Wrestlemania.
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Post by TheHitmanKid on Apr 13, 2021 17:10:14 GMT -5
Is Punk even a draw anymore? He might just be all hype at this point
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Post by Valbroski on Apr 13, 2021 17:14:16 GMT -5
I mean, there was more to the story than that, lol. It was also 7 years ago at this point so I feel like to brand him that way for life is a little unreasonable. You’re obviously entitled to your opinion of course, just my 2 cents. Correct, it was 7 years ago... and CM Punk still hasn't come back to the WWE. If he was over that all he would have returned for the fans, and because he loves wrestling. I think CM Punk likes being a millionaire and not having to wrestle anymore. So he will work the fans as much as he can in interviews now but never will he ever step foot into a wrestling ring again. He could have debuted in AEW, he could have went back to ROH, he could have even went to Impact. He chose not to. Because he wants the main event of Wrestlemania. I don't know the man personally but I definitely do not think he still loves wrestling. It seems more so that he's made peace with how it ended for him and only still talks about it because people refuse to stop asking him about it. I don't really think his answers in interviews are about working the fans as much as it's just him manuvering through being asked the same question time and time again for nearly a decade, just for his answers to end up as clickbait article titles. Also based on how the guy dresses and the type of lifestyle he seems to live, it doesn't really seem like he cares about being a millionaire in any capacity.
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Post by Controversial Maverick PUNK on Apr 13, 2021 17:35:04 GMT -5
First get him on 'the Broken Skull Sessions'... then gradually build up to the match (with a full crowd), everyone wants to see, at WM 38 - Austin vs Punk. Austin comes out of retirement for one final match in Dallas, and Punk gets the dream match he's always wanted. Do you have examples of him acting like the biggest fan of himself? I’m not trying to pick a fight, I’m just curious because I don’t personally get that vibe from him. I don’t think the CM Punk people loved fits in modern day WWE but get why he would say Triple H because obviously there’s real past heat there. He chose to walk away from the WWE and wrestling because he was scheduled to wrestle Triple H at Wrestlemania and he felt he deserved to be in the main event and be WWE Champion.... that pretty much sums up being a fan of yourself. He did deserve to be in the main event though - especially at either 28 or 29. He was screwed over time and time again... So why stick around? It's still sounds like a joke, to say that Miz has main-evented WM, and an inferior performer like Reigns has now headlined FIVE consecutive 'manias... and yet the absolute best talent in the company, at the time, wasn't extended the courtesy of appearing in one WM main-event.
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Post by Valbroski on Apr 13, 2021 17:39:55 GMT -5
First get him on 'the Broken Skull Sessions'... then gradually build up to the match (with a full crowd), everyone wants to see, at WM 38 - Austin vs Punk. Austin comes out of retirement for one final match in Dallas, and Punk gets the dream match he's always wanted. Missed opportunity but I don't think it would work as well today. I'd love to be proven wrong though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 17:40:32 GMT -5
First get him on 'the Broken Skull Sessions'... then gradually build up to the match (with a full crowd), everyone wants to see, at WM 38 - Austin vs Punk. Austin comes out of retirement for one final match in Dallas, and Punk gets the dream match he's always wanted. I would absolutely love to see him on that show.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 13, 2021 18:16:53 GMT -5
For sure before his UFC stint he likely could have named his price just short of “Brock money” if he ever got the inkling to wrestle again. The problem is rather than become a commentator or analyst, he wanted to step into the octagon and we all know how that went (his “aura” took a huge hit after just his first loss, let alone the even more embarrassing second loss). Maybe he’s still ok not stepping back into the ring again, but rather than outright deny it ever happening, he’s likely hoping he still gets that large pay day (doesn’t hurt his chances that we have two legit billionaires running the two biggest promotions in the US). UFC was just a terrible volley for him to have coming out of WWE. You have wrestling, which as physical as it is, is looked at as “fake” to the mainstream audience. UFC is real fighting, both are combat sports of sorts, definitely in the same neighborhood of entertainment, and he just got beat up for real. I can’t say I have ever sat there and said, I wonder if Undertaker can fight in real life? But knowing is another ballgame It’s hard to come back to a show where you have to make people believe your a tough guy after you just looked as clueless in a real fight as he did 2 times. And he looked AWFUL, he looked so bad that he looked better the first match because the guy just beat the hell out of him in 15 seconds haha. The second time, he showcases just how little he knew about mixed martial arts. Yea, CM Punk is not a story of wise business decisions haha Those old ECW promos of him bragging about his Muay Thai certainly hit differently now lol
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 13, 2021 18:22:14 GMT -5
UFC was just a terrible volley for him to have coming out of WWE. You have wrestling, which as physical as it is, is looked at as “fake” to the mainstream audience. UFC is real fighting, both are combat sports of sorts, definitely in the same neighborhood of entertainment, and he just got beat up for real. I can’t say I have ever sat there and said, I wonder if Undertaker can fight in real life? But knowing is another ballgame It’s hard to come back to a show where you have to make people believe your a tough guy after you just looked as clueless in a real fight as he did 2 times. And he looked AWFUL, he looked so bad that he looked better the first match because the guy just beat the hell out of him in 15 seconds haha. The second time, he showcases just how little he knew about mixed martial arts. Yea, CM Punk is not a story of wise business decisions haha Those old ECW promos of him bragging about his Muay Thai certainly hit differently now lol haha exactly, that’s just it. When he says he’s practiced in Muay Thai, I took him at his word. He may know NOTHING about it, if he throws a few decent kicks in a wrestling match, he’d make a believer out of me ya know haha. But NOW, yea, no way! He knows as much about it as a I do. Wrestling is about suspending your disbelief, it’s hard to do that when I KNOW he stinks at fighting! haha I’ll give an example. I remember watching wrestling with a friend and Steve Blackman was on. He said “ill bet he doesn’t even really know karate” and it blew my mind because I was thinking, ya know what, he may not haha. I never thought about it, he throws pretty good kicks but for all I know he’s just pretending haha.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Apr 13, 2021 18:28:34 GMT -5
First get him on 'the Broken Skull Sessions'... then gradually build up to the match (with a full crowd), everyone wants to see, at WM 38 - Austin vs Punk. Austin comes out of retirement for one final match in Dallas, and Punk gets the dream match he's always wanted. He chose to walk away from the WWE and wrestling because he was scheduled to wrestle Triple H at Wrestlemania and he felt he deserved to be in the main event and be WWE Champion.... that pretty much sums up being a fan of yourself. He did deserve to be in the main event though - especially at either 28 or 29. He was screwed over time and time again... So why stick around? It's still sounds like a joke, to say that Miz has main-evented WM, and an inferior performer like Reigns has now headlined FIVE consecutive 'manias... and yet the absolute best talent in the company, at the time, wasn't extended the courtesy of appearing in one WM main-event.
He was far from the best talent in the company. His ring work was sloppy, he had a horrible top rope elbow drop, and he had a cult following that I am not too sure why still to this day.
Miz was in the main event of Wrestlemania because he could cross over to entertainment and bring in that aspect of fan base. Roman Reigns can main event Wrestlemania because he legit looks like a main event guy.
Would CM Punk been in the main event at a Wrestlemania?? Most likely. Daniel Bryan has been in two as of right now. CM Punk should have stuck it out instead of taking his ball and going home because he didn't get what he wanted.
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Post by FLUX '97 on Apr 13, 2021 18:49:08 GMT -5
Honestly the only matches I'd want to see are Punk vs Shinsuke and Punk vs Finn.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Apr 13, 2021 19:12:15 GMT -5
Is Punk even a draw anymore? He might just be all hype at this point He was never a draw. But he was a solid number two merch seller in the CENA era, and even outsold Cena’s shirt one month. Very few others ever had a month that did that - DX, Jeff Hardy, that might be it. And I don’t think anyone sells merch on that level now, so Punk would hopefully be a big boost there. In terms of being an actual draw, nobody really has to be anymore. Which I guess is a double-edged sword - the pressure isn’t really on for Punk to move the needle, but at the same time, it means there isn’t any pressure to sign him for big bucks.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 13, 2021 19:22:31 GMT -5
Is Punk even a draw anymore? He might just be all hype at this point He was never a draw. But he was a solid number two merch seller in the CENA era, and even outsold Cena’s shirt one month. Very few others ever had a month that did that - DX, Jeff Hardy, that might be it. And I don’t think anyone sells merch on that level now, so Punk would hopefully be a big boost there. In terms of being an actual draw, nobody really has to be anymore. Which I guess is a double-edged sword - the pressure isn’t really on for Punk to move the needle, but at the same time, it means there isn’t any pressure to sign him for big bucks. Punks MITB shirt was the first time I’d see wrestling shirts out in public regularly since Austin’s/ nWo. He was definitely moving merch. With all the merch Cena was selling I can’t say I ever saw anybody wearing it in person. It was probably mostly concession stand buys at the shows that the kids never wore again...or I’m selectively blind lol
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Post by Warriah' on Apr 14, 2021 13:01:50 GMT -5
Oh I totally agree, I feel like his brand took a major hit in UFC. All smart businessmen use their celebrity to make MORE money, which he did initially by going to UFC. But since then, I don’t know, he just kinda lost momentum. A few years back I swear he probably could have named his price. Right now, I feel like he’s putting out the feelers, with each interview he seems more and more open to a return and is like “the right offer or right combination”, which basically means, hey guys, send me a good offer and I’ll wrestle. Before it was just, NO, I HATE WRESTLING. haha But yea, bottom line is, I feel like if somebody offered him a decent amount of money, he’d come back! They obviously aren’t offering him what he thinks he’s worth either because A) it’s an astronomical amount or B) They just don’t think he’s worth all the money and are intimidated to even offer an amount. I also think there’s a pretty good chance that he’s keeping his hands hot until the pandemic ends, nobody wants to waste a CM Punk return on an empty crowd. If he’s gonna come back it’s gonna be when fans can return to shows and he can help draw houses again. It honestly would be a waste to blow that return now when the absolute minimum can be gained from it. For sure before his UFC stint he likely could have named his price just short of “Brock money” if he ever got the inkling to wrestle again. The problem is rather than become a commentator or analyst, he wanted to step into the octagon and we all know how that went (his “aura” took a huge hit after just his first loss, let alone the even more embarrassing second loss). Maybe he’s still ok not stepping back into the ring again, but rather than outright deny it ever happening, he’s likely hoping he still gets that large pay day (doesn’t hurt his chances that we have two legit billionaires running the two biggest promotions in the US). Honestly if he'd have called it quits after the first one he could have kept some of his aura. He was humiliated but he really didn't have a chance to show IF he could fight. The 2nd fight he had proved he couldn't. I liked him in his first run, but just don't think at this point I'd have any interest in Punk when everybody knows he couldn't even beat up a guy who legitimately looked like he was trying to let him win.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Apr 14, 2021 13:05:02 GMT -5
Punk wouldn't make the ratings really go any higher than they already are no matter which American company he would sign with. If this was five years ago? Maybe. Now? Nope.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Apr 14, 2021 13:22:12 GMT -5
For sure before his UFC stint he likely could have named his price just short of “Brock money” if he ever got the inkling to wrestle again. The problem is rather than become a commentator or analyst, he wanted to step into the octagon and we all know how that went (his “aura” took a huge hit after just his first loss, let alone the even more embarrassing second loss). Maybe he’s still ok not stepping back into the ring again, but rather than outright deny it ever happening, he’s likely hoping he still gets that large pay day (doesn’t hurt his chances that we have two legit billionaires running the two biggest promotions in the US). Honestly if he'd have called it quits after the first one he could have kept some of his aura. He was humiliated but he really didn't have a chance to show IF he could fight. The 2nd fight he had proved he couldn't.I liked him in his first run, but just don't think at this point I'd have any interest in Punk when everybody knows he couldn't even beat up a guy who legitimately looked like he was trying to let him win.More on the money you couldn’t be. I say the same thing, at least the first time I thought, well he just got the crap kicked out of him. If anything I said, he’s tough I guess! The second time, Dana White put a win on a tee for him and said, here ya go. If you have ANY MMA SKILL AT ALL, here ya go. If a UFC fight was ever fixed, this is the one I’d put my money on. Something was up, and Dana White knows it looked bad because you haven’t seen either of those 2 in the UFC again. But yea, Punk looked awful, he erased any fantasy I could have that this guy can fight. Seeing him in pro wrestling beat somebody now, would make me roll my eyes because I know what I saw in UFC. Do I actively sit here and say, I wonder if Stone Cold could beat up Mike Tyson for real? No, I don’t know, I DOUBT IT, but I don’t know. With Punk now, I know, and it kills the suspension of disbelief in my eyes. It was the most damning thing he could have transitioned to and failed at because it sucked all his value down the drain with that failure. Not because he couldn’t win, but because he couldn’t even throw a KICK or PUNCH! He had no business being in a octagon with professionals, he looks like he couldn’t beat me in a fight and I’m not exaggerating.
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Post by rowdy1971 on Apr 14, 2021 14:00:52 GMT -5
Honestly if he'd have called it quits after the first one he could have kept some of his aura. He was humiliated but he really didn't have a chance to show IF he could fight. The 2nd fight he had proved he couldn't.I liked him in his first run, but just don't think at this point I'd have any interest in Punk when everybody knows he couldn't even beat up a guy who legitimately looked like he was trying to let him win.More on the money you couldn’t be. I say the same thing, at least the first time I thought, well he just got the crap kicked out of him. If anything I said, he’s tough I guess! The second time, Dana White put a win on a tee for him and said, here ya go. If you have ANY MMA SKILL AT ALL, here ya go. If a UFC fight was ever fixed, this is the one I’d put my money on. Something was up, and Dana White knows it looked bad because you haven’t seen either of those 2 in the UFC again. But yea, Punk looked awful, he erased any fantasy I could have that this guy can fight. Seeing him in pro wrestling beat somebody now, would make me roll my eyes because I know what I saw in UFC. Do I actively sit here and say, I wonder if Stone Cold could beat up Mike Tyson for real? No, I don’t know, I DOUBT IT, but I don’t know. With Punk now, I know, and it kills the suspension of disbelief in my eyes. It was the most damning thing he could have transitioned to and failed at because it sucked all his value down the drain with that failure. Not because he couldn’t win, but because he couldn’t even throw a KICK or PUNCH! He had no business being in a octagon with professionals, he looks like he couldn’t beat me in a fight and I’m not exaggerating. I saw Punk a year and a half ago at C2E2 in Chicago (and with nobody in line to meet him) and he looked so tiny and scrawny, and I know people who have seen him biking around the city as recent as a month ago, he's still tiny looking. I agree. If I had a legit fight with him, I like my chances.
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