The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 22, 2021 10:42:18 GMT -5
I will say why the seperate the person from the character argument doesn't work. Because it's the same person attatched the the character.
It's not like multiple people are protraying a character, like Batman or Bugs Bunny. Say the third guy playing Batman touched kids, you can fire that person and move on with a different approach and actor, moving past what the diddler did. You cannot do that with a Chris Benoit or a Hulk Hogan. Because they are, and always will be the person behind the character.
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on May 22, 2021 10:54:26 GMT -5
WWE "investigated" and didn't even interview the victims. Lolwut. WWE aren’t the police, and no way should they be contacting any alleged victims of their talent, especially minors. If I’m a victim of a crime and the perpetrator’s bosses and company lawyers contact me asking me all sorts of questions that could influence legal proceedings, that is a huge red flag. I’d probably be able to sue the company for interfering with a witness/criminal investigation. Why on earth would you think it would be appropriate for WWE to be calling teenagers asking them about sexual interactions they had with a wrestler?
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Post by Rocky Balboa on May 22, 2021 10:57:37 GMT -5
Thank God.
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Post by JC Motors on May 22, 2021 11:04:46 GMT -5
This thread derailed fast
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Post by slappy on May 22, 2021 11:35:18 GMT -5
WWE "investigated" and didn't even interview the victims. Lolwut. WWE aren’t the police, and no way should they be contacting any alleged victims of their talent, especially minors. If I’m a victim of a crime and the perpetrator’s bosses and company lawyers contact me asking me all sorts of questions that could influence legal proceedings, that is a huge red flag. I’d probably be able to sue the company for interfering with a witness/criminal investigation. Why on earth would you think it would be appropriate for WWE to be calling teenagers asking them about sexual interactions they had with a wrestler? Then what kind of investigation could they do? They said they investigated and found no wrong doing. How could they prove that if they don't interview the accusers? Anyway, it's being reported now that he was actually released for discipline issues.
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Post by kennyw86v2 on May 22, 2021 11:59:04 GMT -5
You kinda made his point. You refused to separate the character from the human. Why should I? Yes, Chris Benoit the character didn't murder two people. But at the end of the day, Chris Benoit the person is a murderer. Therefore, to me, neither Chris Benoit the character nor Chris Benoit the person should be celebrated. And for me, that same logic goes for everyone else I mentioned in that group and others I left out. Just because Hulk Hogan was a mainstream draw or just because Velveteen Dream had a nice Diving Elbow Drop doesn't mean I have to celebrate their characters even though they're garbage human beings. You arent wrong. But that really could go for 90% or wrestlers.. dame with actors, musicians, athletes, neighbors, etc. Most of us have skeletons. Most of us have done at least something despicable in our lives. If you arent able, or in your case willing, to separate character from human, would you really like any of these guys if every little thing was public knowledge?
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 22, 2021 14:39:08 GMT -5
You really don't. Just off the top of my head given their recent issues: Hulk Hogan is a racist. him. Chris Benoit is a murderer. him. Velveteen Dream is a groomer and child predator. him. Drake Younger/Wuertz is a QAnon conspiracy theorist and racist. him.Teddy Hart nearly beat and strangled his girlfriend to death. him. Alberto Del Rio beat Paige and got her hooked on drugs AND raped another woman. him. Joey Ryan sexually assaulted half a dozen women. him. David Starr raped multiple women. him. Marty Scurll, consensual or not, had sex with a child. him. Fabulous Moolah pimped out her trainees. her. It goes on and on in this business. There's a lot of truly awful people, some on this list, some not who don't deserve to spend another day making a dime in this industry. I don't intend on going back and watching any of those people ever wrestle/cut a promo/etc. again because of the severity of their actions. You can arguably make excuses to defend the drug addicts and people who commit non-violent offenses, especially if those people repay their debts to society in full. But you can't make excuses for or defend blatant racism, murder, pedophilia or sexual assault. you cant just call him a racist because you subscribe to a different political affiliation I love how in hogans 50 years of wrestling the only time hes ever been accused of racism is on a secret taped phone call while he was at the point of a mental breakdown with his life unraveling. if booker t can forgive him, so can you...and booker called him the N word live on tv....just sayin. remember when vince called john cena the n word? is he also a racist? A report came out where Drake stormed out of a talent meeting where HHH said anyone of any race, religion or belief was welcome in the NXT locker room. Have you heard the Hogan tapes? He's laughing and shooting the crap with his buddies while he's saying what he's saying.
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Post by k5 on May 22, 2021 14:40:12 GMT -5
I think people are free to judge wrestlers on their (in some cases alleged) outside lives to their own discretion. we all have different standards, there's no black and white on this.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 22, 2021 15:02:41 GMT -5
You really don't. Just off the top of my head given their recent issues: Hulk Hogan is a racist. him. Chris Benoit is a murderer. him. Velveteen Dream is a groomer and child predator. him. Drake Younger/Wuertz is a QAnon conspiracy theorist and racist. him.Teddy Hart nearly beat and strangled his girlfriend to death. him. Alberto Del Rio beat Paige and got her hooked on drugs AND raped another woman. him. Joey Ryan sexually assaulted half a dozen women. him. David Starr raped multiple women. him. Marty Scurll, consensual or not, had sex with a child. him. Fabulous Moolah pimped out her trainees. her. It goes on and on in this business. There's a lot of truly awful people, some on this list, some not who don't deserve to spend another day making a dime in this industry. I don't intend on going back and watching any of those people ever wrestle/cut a promo/etc. again because of the severity of their actions. You can arguably make excuses to defend the drug addicts and people who commit non-violent offenses, especially if those people repay their debts to society in full. But you can't make excuses for or defend blatant racism, murder, pedophilia or sexual assault. you cant just call him a racist because you subscribe to a different political affiliation I love how in hogans 50 years of wrestling the only time hes ever been accused of racism is on a secret taped phone call while he was at the point of a mental breakdown with his life unraveling. if booker t can forgive him, so can you...and booker called him the N word live on tv....just sayin. remember when vince called john cena the n word? is he also a racist? Where you been the past 4 1/2 years? The topic couldnt even be about race and they'd call you a racist.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 22, 2021 15:11:30 GMT -5
“What’s wrong with the world nowadays? You get called a racist if you say the n word a bunch of times. Cancel culture, am I right?”
If you use racial slurs, in public or private, you’re a racist.
If you try and solicit sex with minors, you’re a pedophile.
If you have sex with someone that doesn’t give you consent or wants to have sex with you, you’re a rapist.
It’s pretty basic info.
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 22, 2021 15:14:39 GMT -5
I do find it amusing Old Man constantly references Hogan being secretly recorded as a means to say he's not racist.
If a person is going to try and get away with being racist, in private is obviously the most optimal time.
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The Real Chillary
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Post by The Real Chillary on May 22, 2021 15:24:52 GMT -5
I do find it amusing Old Man constantly references Hogan being secretly recorded as a means to say he's not racist. If a person is going to try and get away with being racist, in private is obviously the most optimal time. no. i was making a point. The only reason you know anything about it is because of blackmail. 0 other times in his entire life has he ever made any statements like that publicly. youre judging a mans entire life on 3 instances. i love how you live a perfect life. It would take a pretty stupid person to make those kinds of comments in public. And yeah, he was blackmailed. But it doesn't take away the fact he freely said those things in a jovial way. If he wasn't blackmailed, nothing would have stopped him from doing it again, and nothing would have made him apologise. He was caught out, but regardless. He freely made racist comments. That's not something a non-racist does. I don't live a perfect life at all, but I also know that racism is bad. I don't excuse anyone who hate's someone for something they can't change and has no bearing on them as a person.
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Post by CM Tusk on May 22, 2021 15:36:18 GMT -5
You can like who you want. If you want to separate the artist from the art, that’s your call. But if you get defensive when someone points out someone is a piece of sh** person, well then it starts to look like you support the bad sh** they’ve done.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on May 22, 2021 15:38:22 GMT -5
You can like who you want. If you want to separate the artist from the art, that’s your call. But if you get defensive when someone points out someone is a piece of sh** person, well then it starts to look like you support the bad sh** they’ve done. which is an opinion based on your personal beliefs youre "piece of crap person" isnt the same as my "piece of crap human"
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Post by tylerbreezee on May 22, 2021 15:45:47 GMT -5
How is this thread still open lol
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on May 22, 2021 15:48:25 GMT -5
How is this thread still open lol Pat and none of the admins are as active as Marino was
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Post by CM Tusk on May 22, 2021 15:52:05 GMT -5
You can like who you want. If you want to separate the artist from the art, that’s your call. But if you get defensive when someone points out someone is a piece of sh** person, well then it starts to look like you support the bad sh** they’ve done. which is an opinion based on your personal beliefs youre "piece of crap person" isnt the same as my "piece of crap human" you think trump is a piece of crap person i think hillary is a piece of crap person you think AOC isnt a piece of crap person I think AOC is a piece of crap person see what I mean? I only opened this because I just knew you quoted what I said. I think all three of the people you listed are pieces of sh**. You keep trying to make things political with words like “woke” and “liberal” and misusing the term “white knight”. Three things I’m not. Saying Hogan using the n word over and over again is not a political comment. Racism isn’t a political point of view. Whether you’re just being a weird internet gimmick or not it’s pretty clear that you go out of your way to start sh** with people. If you don’t think saying racist things or being sexist makes someone a bad person then that’s enough to show the kind of person you are and for me to know I have no desire to communicate with you. Going to go back to ignoring you outside when I have to see people quote the stupid ass things you say. I suggest you ignore me too. Enjoy fighting with everyone else. What the any of this has to do with Velveteen Dream is beyond me but hey....
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 15:55:49 GMT -5
I'm shocked this thread hasn't been locked and scrubbed. Great job being civil and non-offensive, wfigs. Proud of you. Well, this aged well 😂
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Post by hitmancmedge on May 22, 2021 15:57:17 GMT -5
I'm shocked this thread hasn't been locked and scrubbed. Great job being civil and non-offensive, wfigs. Proud of you. Well, this aged well 😂 I literally can’t believe this is allowed to go on considering what other people have been banned for etc. like as in “I like this place a little less today”
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on May 22, 2021 15:59:15 GMT -5
I literally can’t believe this is allowed to go on considering what other people have been banned for etc. like as in “I like this place a little less today” Its actually been really civil and nice conversation, no one has gone off the rails.
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