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Post by casanova on Jan 2, 2022 7:11:04 GMT -5
You don't have to be buying to have a passing interest in the line. Hasbros are my all time favourite so I've been following if for no other reason than seeing Rudat's new drawings. I strongly considered diving into the line but a mixture of his passive aggressiveness, unreliability and the fig proportions make me glad I didn't. Doesn't mean I don't want to see Rudat's new sketches. I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I don't think I'll be buying any, but I love the look of them and I'm really hoping the line does well. It's just fun to discuss it with fellow collectors. Just because you're not buying every single one that's released doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. Agreed, however it is quite obvious that few people come here not to discuss but to make everything negative, which is not only annoying but also pretty silly and childish. Does ZST come along like an idiot? Yes, definitely. No guy I ever want to meet in person after his behavior in 2021. But this doesn’t effect the overall quality of the product he offers. People shouldn’t pretend to only buy from people they are friends with. In the 1/6 community they do not even care about production standards (child labor for example is a well known issue). Mattel had dozens of issues with poor quality of toys over the last years, yet people keep buying their shit. For now, I like what I see, despite the Gorilla arms. The estimated delivery in February is whishfull thinking and something he will have to learn. But despite being not the everybody’s darling, ZST seems to be a rather good business man and I am certain he will learn his lessons over the process of wave 1 and future waves aswell. |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 2, 2022 7:55:41 GMT -5
Interesting in the major pod which dropped on New Year’s Day / eve (I think) which I’m just listening to Matt mentioned he was asked about zombies numbers. That’s the first real indication that someone at mattel is paying attention to the independent market - presume they’re as interested in chella but asked Matt about zombies knowing their association.
It’s been asked before if these new companies would affect mattek bringing back retros (prior to the return announcement) and it was brushed off. Even if mattel are not making decisions based on it they view it important enough to be interested in production numbers.
To have a company as big and important in the toy world as mattel (second to hasbro I think?) paying attention speaks volumes
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 2, 2022 8:24:56 GMT -5
I'm kinda in the same boat as you. I don't think I'll be buying any, but I love the look of them and I'm really hoping the line does well. It's just fun to discuss it with fellow collectors. Just because you're not buying every single one that's released doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. Agreed, however it is quite obvious that few people come here not to discuss but to make everything negative, which is not only annoying but also pretty silly and childish. Does ZST come along like an idiot? Yes, definitely. No guy I ever want to meet in person after his behavior in 2021. But this doesn’t effect the overall quality of the product he offers. People shouldn’t pretend to only buy from people they are friends with. In the 1/6 community they do not even care about production standards (child labor for example is a well known issue). Mattel had dozens of issues with poor quality of toys over the last years, yet people keep buying their crap. For now, I like what I see, despite the Gorilla arms. The estimated delivery in February is whishfull thinking and something he will have to learn. But despite being not the everybody’s darling, ZST seems to be a rather good business man and I am certain he will learn his lessons over the process of wave 1 and future waves aswell. The problem is it’s not being pedantic or picking holes. from an experienced businessman his communication has been terrible and there’s more negative than positive about the line: Positive: 1. Got superstars wwe wouldn’t likely look to sign - Dino etc and indie guys like DanHausen Negative: 1. They don’t fit in with hasbros like he said they would imo - they look more like hasbro size statues that action figures 2. Previous release dates not met with no explanation - current Feb timescale In all likelihood won’t be met but expectations are not adjusted 3. Saying a figures comes with accessories - months later said figure only comes with accessories during pre order window - poor communication originally or if decision is changed it should be stated 4. Putting a figure up for pre-order at a price, a day later saying this price is a Black Friday special when it was not originally advertised as such - again poor communication 5. Taking shots at a competitor - (scale and print in demand comments). This isn’t Pepsi v Coca Cola it’s a small community who should be supporting each other 6. Any criticism being taken as a shot rather than being constructive - including him firing back at the well respected fully posable podcast. Commenting theres “plenty of mass produced low quality figures at target for you to enjoy” when someone commented on price 7. Signing what 30+ wrestlers when not one figure is in a customer hand Even the Ron sketches are a curiosity more than anything - they look imo phoned in and it’s clear from his previous interview Ron didn’t remember or seemingly have any love for the line - at least Jeremy coming back into the wrestling figure market was something he clearly had a love for. The tweets are still there very easy to see, all but number 5 is not an opinion but based on tweets he sent. If he blows me away I’ll be honest and say it but so far the figures appear no better than very well made customs. Exactly the same as I’ve praised and criticised chella when I felt it was deserved. Compare that to junk shop dog: Positive 1. They fit perfectly in with the original sofubi line to my eyes 2. Superstars WWE wouldn’t touch - dynamite etc 3. Good clear timely communication Negative … Ultimately as I have said before when you state your figures are “absolutely perfect” - his words - your opening yourself to closer scrutiny than junk shop dog, Chella etc by setting his bar so high. If mattel announce a figure coming with accessories but then say you only get said accessories if you order in a certain window when this was never initially announced people would rightly be jumping on then in a heartbeat. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 2, 2022 9:36:31 GMT -5
I'm just going to chime in and say I'm done putting the boot in to that bunghole. He's a scumbag, but not worthy of the energy. Chella, through their faults, are nailing it on many fronts. So I'm putting my time into them. So, in closing.  ZST, you can stay in 2021. Let the Chella times roll. |
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Post by LA Times on Jan 2, 2022 12:35:54 GMT -5
I'm just going to chime in and say I'm done putting the boot in to that bunghole. He's a scumbag, but not worthy of the energy. Chella, through their faults, are nailing it on many fronts. So I'm putting my time into them. So, in closing. ZST, you can stay in 2021. Let the Chella times roll. You should change your name to Chellary. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 2, 2022 12:45:34 GMT -5
I'm just going to chime in and say I'm done putting the boot in to that bunghole. He's a scumbag, but not worthy of the energy. Chella, through their faults, are nailing it on many fronts. So I'm putting my time into them. So, in closing. ZST, you can stay in 2021. Let the Chella times roll. You should change your name to Chellary. I love it. Or maybe Shillary |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jan 2, 2022 23:17:27 GMT -5
Does anyone remember the guy that had a backwards WWE logo tattoo?
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 5, 2022 4:11:47 GMT -5
Any comments that are derailing the thread deserve to be removed. If you wish to engage in that behavior, there is a messaging function where you can have a dialogue with whatever members you wish. Many of you have been asked and warned repeatedly to stay away from personal attacks and focus on the figures and the immediate news surrounding them. If you do not wish to participate under those terms, I respectfully ask that you discuss your thoughts on another platform. Moving on. I am very interested to see the scale of this Andre compared to other figures (especially the original Hasbro Andre). http://instagram.com/p/CYRjcz5rgVK |
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Post by oldschoolfool on Jan 5, 2022 8:04:06 GMT -5
Thatd be great if they made mid-80s era Woman to go with that Kevin Sullivan.
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Post by Jack Specific on Jan 5, 2022 18:31:17 GMT -5
Guys,
Heed my warning... if there is anymore trolling, bickering, or even derailing of this thread you will be banned without further warning. End it now. On topic and no BS. Thank you.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Jan 5, 2022 19:40:50 GMT -5
Guys, Heed my warning... if there is anymore trolling, bickering, or even derailing of this thread you will be banned without further warning. End it now. On topic and no BS. Thank you. you forgot to delete some comments. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2022 20:01:34 GMT -5
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jan 5, 2022 20:04:10 GMT -5
What are the actual "print run" on these? We ran a merch booth all over the midwest/midsouth at shows and could not for the life of us sell those mattel retros. They sold about as well as women figures...which dont sell very well at all.
Besides the fanboy type of hype for these who is going to buy them? This is an honest question...because I dont see production being very high at all. No one I know who collects knows anything about these.
Like 150-500 figures?
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Post by @Chair.Shot on Jan 5, 2022 20:56:57 GMT -5
What are the actual "print run" on these? We ran a merch booth all over the midwest/midsouth at shows and could not for the life of us sell those mattel retros. They sold about as well as women figures...which dont sell very well at all. Besides the fanboy type of hype for these who is going to buy them? This is an honest question...because I dont see production being very high at all. No one I know who collects knows anything about these. Like 150-500 figures? It seems like we have discussed this at some point but I don’t have the best memory. 500 figures doesn’t seem like it would cover the cost of product. Even 1000 seems questionable…but I could absolutely be wrong. |
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Post by hulkjoegan on Jan 6, 2022 4:06:39 GMT -5
What are the actual "print run" on these? We ran a merch booth all over the midwest/midsouth at shows and could not for the life of us sell those mattel retros. They sold about as well as women figures...which dont sell very well at all. Besides the fanboy type of hype for these who is going to buy them? This is an honest question...because I dont see production being very high at all. No one I know who collects knows anything about these. Like 150-500 figures? It seems like we have discussed this at some point but I don’t have the best memory. 500 figures doesn’t seem like it would cover the cost of product. Even 1000 seems questionable…but I could absolutely be wrong. From the little interaction I’ve had with manufacturers in China, it seems that a common minimum order quantity for production is 1000 units. Obviously the more you order, the better cost you get per unit. So, Chella for instance, I would imagine (complete guess here!) began by making a 1000 units….then because the moods are already made, it’s easy enough to make a second batch if there seems to still be money on the table (which seems to be the case with Dynamite Kid). Although with that said, I seem to recall one of the figures only having 500…Meanie maybe….so maybe they’ve struck a deal to make less than 1000 🤷🏻♂️ Are we allowed to be talking about this stuff now? (Genuine question….not trying to be a smart ass) |
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 6, 2022 8:28:08 GMT -5
It seems like we have discussed this at some point but I don’t have the best memory. 500 figures doesn’t seem like it would cover the cost of product. Even 1000 seems questionable…but I could absolutely be wrong. From the little interaction I’ve had with manufacturers in China, it seems that a common minimum order quantity for production is 1000 units. Obviously the more you order, the better cost you get per unit. So, Chella for instance, I would imagine (complete guess here!) began by making a 1000 units….then because the moods are already made, it’s easy enough to make a second batch if there seems to still be money on the table (which seems to be the case with Dynamite Kid). Although with that said, I seem to recall one of the figures only having 500…Meanie maybe….so maybe they’ve struck a deal to make less than 1000 🤷🏻♂️ Are we allowed to be talking about this stuff now? (Genuine question….not trying to be a smart ass) I think technically if your willing to pay the cost there’s no real minimum but if your doing anything less that 500 at very least or 1000 as mentioned it’s cost prohibitive Very very low run figures - think the jakks 1 out of 5 / 20 etc are all wrestlers who have already been put out so little tooling was required snd it was more new soft goods etc There are YouTube vids from people in the toy industry who talk about tooling snd it is crazy how much it costs to make a tool but that’s because they’re designed to be revised 100s of 1000s of times knocking out exact copies |
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Post by Warriah' on Jan 6, 2022 9:27:44 GMT -5
The gorilla arm style ZST goes for has worked out super well for Andre in the sculpt there.
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Post by newgenandy on Jan 6, 2022 11:06:20 GMT -5
Zombie has show the cards but more changes needed in them he said
Personally I think there’s too many logos with the corner triangle (summerslam card style), 2 x zst logos on the front, heels snd faces snd for Bryan and Matt MWFPod.
If he had just the heels and faces logo it would look much cleaner and actually be a really nice card, the heels and faces logo is impressive but the cards just too busy.
I’d have the zst on the back, maybe bottom right corner so it’s there but wouldn’t affect the back design which I presume will have similar to hasbro design. I don’t see the need for the Ron rudat in the corner, anyone who purchases these will already be aware of his involvement. I’d also try to push back on the pod logo because imo it just doesn’t need to be there, or if it is included have that as the top corner logo.
The wrestler artwork on them all bar hebner is also very nice, it looks almost as if hebner was done by someone else?
Round the corners to soften the look, get rid of the logos bar heels snd faces and zst on the back and it would be a good solid 8/10
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Post by crush on Jan 6, 2022 12:52:34 GMT -5
Zombie has show the cards but more changes needed in them he said Personally I think there’s too many logos with the corner triangle (summerslam card style), 2 x zst logos on the front, heels snd faces snd for Bryan and Matt MWFPod. If he had just the heels and faces logo it would look much cleaner and actually be a really nice card, the heels and faces logo is impressive but the cards just too busy. I’d have the zst on the back, maybe bottom right corner so it’s there but wouldn’t affect the back design which I presume will have similar to hasbro design. I don’t see the need for the Ron rudat in the corner, anyone who purchases these will already be aware of his involvement. I’d also try to push back on the pod logo because imo it just doesn’t need to be there, or if it is included have that as the top corner logo. The wrestler artwork on them all bar hebner is also very nice, it looks almost as if hebner was done by someone else? Round the corners to soften the look, get rid of the logos bar heels snd faces and zst on the back and it would be a good solid 8/10 I agree with most of this. IMO, the issue is the cards look a bit too busy because they're designed with display in mind. Like, it seems to be that a checklist was made what everything we want visible if this is hanging on a wall. RE: The artwork, it looks like Dino and Hebner are pure artwork while Myers, Cardona, and Sabu look like retouched photographs. Which makes sense, as the Pod guys and Sabu have promo photos they own the rights to, while there likey none of Hebner or Bravo from the era depicted not owned by WWE. |
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Post by loosecannon on Jan 6, 2022 13:38:03 GMT -5
yeah I don't really care for the Ron Rudat logo either. But maybe he asked to be on there.
I am interested to see the cardbacks to see if the Bio cards will be there like the Hasbros had
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