mrh
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Post by mrh on Jul 24, 2021 1:18:42 GMT -5
I hope I'm wrong, but I really think they will barely hit 5,000 if they make it -- and it will be towards the end. I think the price point is way too high...
Well -- I hate to be right, but I was.
The first day, and only 14% backing. IF they get there -- it's going to be a major struggle. THis is just way too expensive for what they offered...
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Post by WrestlingFigWig on Jul 24, 2021 1:33:33 GMT -5
I hope I'm wrong, but I really think they will barely hit 5,000 if they make it -- and it will be towards the end. I think the price point is way too high...
Well -- I hate to be right, but I was.
The first day, and only 14% backing. IF they get there -- it's going to be a major struggle. THis is just way too expensive for what they offered...
Exactly, you depend on the hype to carry a strong first day to carry you most of the way. 14% is not a good sign at all. All the hoopla will fade each passing day and not getting a strong showing out of the gate is a bad sign. Back to the drawing board. |
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Post by uc on Jul 24, 2021 1:54:26 GMT -5
Want to back it but I think without the stretch goals it's a bit expensive (still expensive with them but better value). Don't think they'll make the 7k or 8k now so kinda caught in the middle
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Post by razorrock on Jul 24, 2021 2:07:20 GMT -5
Want to back it but I think without the stretch goals it's a bit expensive (still expensive with them but better value). Don't think they'll make the 7k or 8k now so kinda caught in the middle Same here... |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 24, 2021 2:13:33 GMT -5
I’m going to remain hopeful. A lot of people point out what they think it should have been but I seriously doubt a good chunk of them would put the money down regardless of what era or company was represented. Who really knows though. I guess if this fails something like this won’t come along for a while. Hope even so the Diesel sees a release or something.
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Post by skogen on Jul 24, 2021 2:41:18 GMT -5
I hope I'm wrong, but I really think they will barely hit 5,000 if they make it -- and it will be towards the end. I think the price point is way too high...
Well -- I hate to be right, but I was.
The first day, and only 14% backing. IF they get there -- it's going to be a major struggle. THis is just way too expensive for what they offered...
Yep, no chance of hitting it organically IMO. |
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 24, 2021 2:47:29 GMT -5
this sucks i really want doink
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Warriah'
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 24, 2021 3:09:45 GMT -5
I'm thinking they really shot themselves in the foot here by taking the money straight away. A lot of people are gonna have a "I'll wait til next month" attitude, but then if the end of next month rolls by and it's nowhere near the goal then people won't bother.
I went to sleep and it was at around 695, woke up and it's only at 735. They need to do something ASAP to drive these numbers up if they want it to succeed.
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Post by buddyboy101 on Jul 24, 2021 3:34:35 GMT -5
I'm thinking they really shot themselves in the foot here by taking the money straight away. A lot of people are gonna have a "I'll wait til next month" attitude, but then if the end of next month rolls by and it's nowhere near the goal then people won't bother. I went to sleep and it was at around 695, woke up and it's only at 735. They need to do something ASAP to drive these numbers up if they want it to succeed. I agree they need to make some adjustments to make this thing work - defer payment, lower the price, include an HBK or Razor figure, etc. At this price, the base should be the ring w/ Diesel, with HBK, Razor, and HHH kickers and market the whole package as a "Curtain Call" set with a blue steel cage and some crapty 90s camcorder accessory lol. Sell the neon entrance separately to keep cost down. This would've been an instant buy if it was Kliq/Curtain Call themed. Just what in the blue hell does Doink have to do with Diesel? It's a decent figure, but seems a bit random despite also being new gen. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 24, 2021 3:47:12 GMT -5
I'm thinking they really shot themselves in the foot here by taking the money straight away. A lot of people are gonna have a "I'll wait til next month" attitude, but then if the end of next month rolls by and it's nowhere near the goal then people won't bother. I went to sleep and it was at around 695, woke up and it's only at 735. They need to do something ASAP to drive these numbers up if they want it to succeed. I agree they need to make some adjustments to make this thing work - defer payment, lower the price, include an HBK or Razor figure, etc. At this price, the base should be the ring w/ Diesel, with HBK, Razor, and HHH kickers and market the whole package as a "Curtain Call" set with a blue steel cage and some crapty 90s camcorder accessory lol. Sell the neon entrance separately to keep cost down. This would've been an instant buy if it was Kliq/Curtain Call themed. Just what in the blue hell does Doink have to do with Diesel? It's a decent figure, but seems a bit random despite also being new gen. It is a weird combination, given Doink (Matt Bourne's) last PPV appearance was Diesel's first. I don't think that's much of an issue, but when there's only 2 figures it doesn't really gel that well as a collection. They should have definitely had a 3rd figure in there at least as a 6k stretch goal. Thing is if you tally up the kind of rough value of the items, it's not a great deal. A $30 figure, probably $120 for the ring, probably $60 for the entrance stage. That's 210... You need Doink to hit his goal for it to even be worth what you're paying. |
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 24, 2021 4:03:57 GMT -5
I agree they need to make some adjustments to make this thing work - defer payment, lower the price, include an HBK or Razor figure, etc. At this price, the base should be the ring w/ Diesel, with HBK, Razor, and HHH kickers and market the whole package as a "Curtain Call" set with a blue steel cage and some crapty 90s camcorder accessory lol. Sell the neon entrance separately to keep cost down. This would've been an instant buy if it was Kliq/Curtain Call themed. Just what in the blue hell does Doink have to do with Diesel? It's a decent figure, but seems a bit random despite also being new gen. It is a weird combination, given Doink (Matt Bourne's) last PPV appearance was Diesel's first. I don't think that's much of an issue, but when there's only 2 figures it doesn't really gel that well as a collection. They should have definitely had a 3rd figure in there at least as a 6k stretch goal. Thing is if you tally up the kind of rough value of the items, it's not a great deal. A $30 figure, probably $120 for the ring, probably $60 for the entrance stage. That's 210... You need Doink to hit his goal for it to even be worth what you're paying. They needed a FTITL figure from that era to make this pop. We already have Diesel & Doink. An ultimate Jeff Jarrett would have been awesome. Luna & Bam Bam Elite 2 pack. Crush, Adam Bomb ect. |
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Billy Snorticus
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 24, 2021 4:23:53 GMT -5
i think the biggest thing stopping people from ordering is 100% the upfront payment. I hope there's a big spike in numbers at least to 7k cause that Doink is perfect.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Jul 24, 2021 4:34:20 GMT -5
I'm thinking they really shot themselves in the foot here by taking the money straight away. A lot of people are gonna have a "I'll wait til next month" attitude, but then if the end of next month rolls by and it's nowhere near the goal then people won't bother. I went to sleep and it was at around 695, woke up and it's only at 735. They need to do something ASAP to drive these numbers up if they want it to succeed.
This is 100% right -- next month, no one is going to want to put down money for a losing and failing product.
They need to do somehting if they want to save it -- but I'm not sure what. They already charged 750 people's credit card -- they can't just say everyone else won't be charged. And I personally don't think they'd be wiiling to throw in more figures -- or that it would really drives numbers. $250 is just way too much.
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Post by mcfclee on Jul 24, 2021 5:04:21 GMT -5
Glad I’m not the only one who felt that way about the value. A first time figure would blind me to the cost a little, but this isn’t good value. Was anyone clamoring for another diesel? Or doink?
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Post by kirk815 on Jul 24, 2021 5:41:23 GMT -5
I get why they want the money upfront (deters people from just signing up that wont have the funds to purchase it in a month). Seems like they should have got a little creative - maybe a $25 OR $50 nonrefundable downpayment if you sign up, it gets funded, but then your card is declined/you don't update your payment info. You would only get the downpayment back if it isn't funded.
I have the money now, but I'll wait until the last day. I'm not a fan of companies getting a free short-term loan/earning interest/investing for a month if this doesn't hit 5K.
I think they should have held off on the ring and just did Diesel and the light up entrance for like $130-$150 (that might even be too much) with Doink and other new Gen wrestlers that are less likely to get a UE mainline release (I like the purple flame Bam Bam suggestion) for the additional tiers.
They released the RAW/Smackdown rings a couple years ago so I don't really need a 4th ring (I also have the NXT ring) when I don't have the space for it. It's not like those rings sold out right away so it's a little weird that a ring was the main thing they came up with (although the upgrades are cool).
If it doesn't get funded, I'm sure Doink and def Diesel will be moved to another slot somewhere for 2022/23 release (I could see Doink being a retailer exclusive).
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Post by jokerjohn on Jul 24, 2021 5:50:05 GMT -5
I've noticed many people are on the fence because they are waiting for the numbers to get higher. That makes me wonder what the number would actually be if everyone who was on the fence or just waiting until later would be.
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Post by The Coach on Jul 24, 2021 6:03:39 GMT -5
Someone in this exact thread said they aren’t backing the ring because they now have to pay scalper prices for the Slaughter. That’s at least one sale lost, and for a crowdfunding project you need all hands on deck to meet your goal. If there’s one there’s more. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. What does not getting the slaughter have to do with the crowdfunding project? Because he’s choosing to buy it on the secondary market? That’s a choice he has. He also has the option of backing the project. Any time a person makes a purchase it comes down to a choice. Spend the money on item A or something else. Crowdfunding shines a light on who is going to make that commitment. That guy may never have been willing to commit to the 250 or he was but only under certain conditions. A company doesn’t run their business hoping that all the conditions are optimal so that they can make a profit. There’s too much risk in that. Crowdfunding or made to order are the only ways a product like this would ever be made. And it ain’t looking good so far… I’m not sure why this is so difficult for you to understand. The guy only has so much budgeted for collectibles. He now has to spend 3-4 times what he planned so he can get an item that sold out immediately. Due to this, his budget is now significantly lower, which is now not enough to back a large crowdfunding project like this. The guy doesn’t have endless money to buy collectibles, and he has prioritized his money elsewhere due to secondary market prices on an item that could’ve easily been a 24 hour made to order item that would’ve sold tons. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 6:05:25 GMT -5
I don't think it'll get to 5k, but I'll still put money down the last few days.
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Post by The Coach on Jul 24, 2021 6:16:38 GMT -5
It’s gonna take about a week to get 1,000 backers. I rarely doubt this gets made . I mean , if this was really gonna take that much to make, you should have sold the ring, then the entrance stage should’ve been sold separate as it’s on thing. But as usual, bad business decisions. It really feels like they just wanted to do a crowdfunding campaign, so they shout around ideas for a bit and landed on this. It doesn’t feel like they wanted to do a specific premium item and decided that a crowdfunding campaign was the way to make it happen. It feels like they went in with the goal of a campaign first instead of a product first. They can say all they want that collectors are always saying “Why don’t y’all make (insert large scale item here)?!”, but I’ve never seen someone ask for a light up New Generation arena. I’m sure people would’ve bought the entrance way by itself at a pretty large price point like 50-60. Wrestling figure collectors generally aren’t 250+ collectors, they’re 50-100 price point collectors on premium items. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 24, 2021 6:32:47 GMT -5
I get why they want the money upfront (deters people from just signing up that wont have the funds to purchase it in a month). Seems like they should have got a little creative - maybe a $25 OR $50 nonrefundable downpayment if you sign up, it gets funded, but then your card is declined/you don't update your payment info. You would only get the downpayment back if it isn't funded. I have the money now, but I'll wait until the last day. I'm not a fan of companies getting a free short-term loan/earning interest/investing for a month if this doesn't hit 5K. I think they should have held off on the ring and just did Diesel and the light up entrance for like $130-$150 (that might even be too much) with Doink and other new Gen wrestlers that are less likely to get a UE mainline release (I like the purple flame Bam Bam suggestion) for the additional tiers. They released the RAW/Smackdown rings a couple years ago so I don't really need a 4th ring (I also have the NXT ring) when I don't have the space for it. It's not like those rings sold out right away so it's a little weird that a ring was the main thing they came up with (although the upgrades are cool). If it doesn't get funded, I'm sure Doink and def Diesel will be moved to another slot somewhere for 2022/23 release (I could see Doink being a retailer exclusive). Absolutely agreed. It's just so stupid and shortsighted. If they were taking payment at the close of the order window, I guarantee we'd be at 25-40% right now. Heck, I'm planning to buy 1, maybe two sets myself. The money is a non-factor, but I also don't feel like giving Mattel a short term loan for the next month. And with SDCC releases and pre-orders, Galactus, and summer travel, I'm sure many people don't want to commit or can't commit funds right now. But there's a psychological ripple effect. Instead of being a project that has energy and momentum, we're less than 24 hours and the project already looks like a "loser." That perception will absolutely cost sales. Not everybody is like the regular users here who are keeping up on day to day news. There are plenty of casual buyers probably looked at the project yesterday and who would back it, saw the low progress and said I'll keep my money in the bank for something else, and are never going to give it a second thought. It just seems so indicative of Mattel. All they had to do is copy Haslab's formula step for step and they'd have a winner. Instead they had to get cute and try to bleed out some extra liquidity and maybe net another 15k. If this fails, I guarantee we'll get some scolding response about how "the community didn't support the project" instead of any recognition that Mattel is shooting holes in their own boat. |
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