TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jul 24, 2021 6:33:42 GMT -5
Glad I’m not the only one who felt that way about the value. A first time figure would blind me to the cost a little, but this isn’t good value. Was anyone clamoring for another diesel? Or doink? This guy was 108% clamoring for another Doink. But I understand your point. In my opinion, this would have been a slam dunk if they were able to debut a UE New Generation Jeff Jarrett. A highly-anticipated figure that perfectly fits the theme. In an ideal world, they roll out the Jarrett everybody has been clamoring for and down the road he gets a few other releases so fans who can't justify the cost of the ring at least are able to obtain a version for their collections. Everybody is happy. However, the issue with attaching a shiny new name to this kind of playset is that it probably would have pissed off a good portion of the fanbase. Wrestling figure collectors are a different breed and they would look at it as a manipulative power play. A leverage move on the part of Mattel where they are FORCED to buy an expensive set just for one figure that they have been waiting on forever. How dare they?! People were livid about the last ring that contained an exclusive Goldberg which was nowhere near as expensive as this one. It is a slippery slope. |
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Post by The Coach on Jul 24, 2021 6:36:18 GMT -5
I get why they want the money upfront (deters people from just signing up that wont have the funds to purchase it in a month). Seems like they should have got a little creative - maybe a $25 OR $50 nonrefundable downpayment if you sign up, it gets funded, but then your card is declined/you don't update your payment info. You would only get the downpayment back if it isn't funded. I have the money now, but I'll wait until the last day. I'm not a fan of companies getting a free short-term loan/earning interest/investing for a month if this doesn't hit 5K. I think they should have held off on the ring and just did Diesel and the light up entrance for like $130-$150 (that might even be too much) with Doink and other new Gen wrestlers that are less likely to get a UE mainline release (I like the purple flame Bam Bam suggestion) for the additional tiers. They released the RAW/Smackdown rings a couple years ago so I don't really need a 4th ring (I also have the NXT ring) when I don't have the space for it. It's not like those rings sold out right away so it's a little weird that a ring was the main thing they came up with (although the upgrades are cool). If it doesn't get funded, I'm sure Doink and def Diesel will be moved to another slot somewhere for 2022/23 release (I could see Doink being a retailer exclusive). Absolutely agreed. It's just so stupid and shortsighted. If they were taking payment at the close of the order window, I guarantee we'd be at 25-40% right now. Heck, I'm planning to buy 1, maybe two sets myself. The money is a non-factor, but I also don't feel like giving Mattel a short term loan for the next month. And with SDCC releases and pre-orders, Galactus, and summer travel, I'm sure many people don't want to commit or can't commit funds right now. But there's a psychological ripple effect. Instead of being a project that has energy and momentum, we're less than 24 hours and the project already looks like a "loser." That perception will absolutely cost sales. Not everybody is like the regular users here who are keeping up on day to day news. There are plenty of casual buyers probably looked at the project yesterday and who would back it, saw the low progress and said I'll keep my money in the bank for something else, and are never going to give it a second thought. It just seems so indicative of Mattel. All they had to do is copy Haslab's formula step for step and they'd have a winner. Instead they had to get cute and try to bleed out some extra liquidity and maybe net another 15k. If this fails, I guarantee we'll get some scolding response about how "the community didn't support the project" instead of any recognition that Mattel is shooting holes in their own boat. Blame the consumer? You mean like the original Legends line? |
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zen411
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Post by zen411 on Jul 24, 2021 6:37:00 GMT -5
At this point as a collector I've never wanted a ring. I display my collection on shelves and there has never been an interest in having them in a ring or acting out matches. And 250 is a lot all at one time. The entranceway is cool. I wish it was the wwf and not wwe logo. I think diesel is a good idea but looks similar to past diesels and not anything mind blowing. I want doink. That's about it.
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Post by stc13 on Jul 24, 2021 6:38:18 GMT -5
Absolutely agreed. It's just so stupid and shortsighted. If they were taking payment at the close of the order window, I guarantee we'd be at 25-40% right now. Heck, I'm planning to buy 1, maybe two sets myself. The money is a non-factor, but I also don't feel like giving Mattel a short term loan for the next month. And with SDCC releases and pre-orders, Galactus, and summer travel, I'm sure many people don't want to commit or can't commit funds right now. But there's a psychological ripple effect. Instead of being a project that has energy and momentum, we're less than 24 hours and the project already looks like a "loser." That perception will absolutely cost sales. Not everybody is like the regular users here who are keeping up on day to day news. There are plenty of casual buyers probably looked at the project yesterday and who would back it, saw the low progress and said I'll keep my money in the bank for something else, and are never going to give it a second thought. It just seems so indicative of Mattel. All they had to do is copy Haslab's formula step for step and they'd have a winner. Instead they had to get cute and try to bleed out some extra liquidity and maybe net another 15k. If this fails, I guarantee we'll get some scolding response about how "the community didn't support the project" instead of any recognition that Mattel is shooting holes in their own boat. Blame the consumer? You mean like the original Legends line? Or how a hyped figure selling out in minutes because Mattel under-produced is just "part of the fun of being a collector!" |
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Post by zen411 on Jul 24, 2021 6:38:30 GMT -5
And how cool would it be for a light up jeff jarrett next to the light up entrance? That would have been money.
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Post by The Coach on Jul 24, 2021 6:40:38 GMT -5
Blame the consumer? You mean like the original Legends line? Or how a hyped figure selling out in minutes because Mattel under-produced is just "part of the fun of being a collector!" Being told “that’s part of the game” or “you didn’t buy enough” is the most disrespectful response to your customer. |
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Post by mcfclee on Jul 24, 2021 7:07:23 GMT -5
Glad I’m not the only one who felt that way about the value. A first time figure would blind me to the cost a little, but this isn’t good value. Was anyone clamoring for another diesel? Or doink? This guy was 108% clamoring for another Doink. But I understand your point. In my opinion, this would have been a slam dunk if they were able to debut a UE New Generation Jeff Jarrett. A highly-anticipated figure that perfectly fits the theme. In an ideal world, they roll out the Jarrett everybody has been clamoring for and down the road he gets a few other releases so fans who can't justify the cost of the ring at least are able to obtain a version for their collections. Everybody is happy. However, the issue with attaching a shiny new name to this kind of playset is that it probably would have pissed off a good portion of the fanbase. Wrestling figure collectors are a different breed and they would look at it as a manipulative power play. A leverage move on the part of Mattel where they are FORCED to buy an expensive set just for one figure that they have been waiting on forever. How dare they?! People were livid about the last ring that contained an exclusive Goldberg which was nowhere near as expensive as this one. It is a slippery slope. You make a good point. Even a Dink to go with Doink tho could have been something worth getting. |
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Post by chaz on Jul 24, 2021 7:30:07 GMT -5
The thing for me is that it feels like a power move by Mattel. I posted in another thread about the significant revenue number they'll make on this just at 5k backers alone. Their margins will be through the roof because this bundle will come nowhere near $250 in cost to produce.
Therefore, why are we not getting more? Not even "more" in terms of quantity, but quality. Why Diesel? Why Doink? Why New Gen? Where is the "WOW" factor to make me want to hand over $250? I'm not giving that money away to hopefully receive a light-up box and a figure of a guy I already own in basically the same gear. And then you want me to cross my fingers for some ringskirts? Please.
It's like they're trying to underwhelm us on purpose to deter from people asking about going into these "niche" markets again. "Hey Bill / Steve, any new rings, arena accessories coming out soon?", "No, you didn't buy the last offering." It happened with Legends ten years ago and we've only just got those back.
Call me cynical!
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Post by hb2k4life on Jul 24, 2021 7:47:41 GMT -5
If they just charged a nrd of $50 and the rest due when it ships I feel that it would be backed. $250 is a big price tag for what they are offering. Maybe a diesel and Hbk together Ulitmates would have helped. Ill keep watching. If it does go through I know the price of this will double in 5 years
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Post by FFK on Jul 24, 2021 7:54:57 GMT -5
I have every intention of backing it as long as I see it gets near the 5K, but why 5k seems like it’s too much for the goal. I know wrestling fans are notoriously cheap and it’s not looking good for this. Is Mattel being greedy who knows, but give us more tiers (and better ones) after 5k to give us the value factor. I backed the haslab sentinel and that took off like a rocket and this is stuck in the mud. If they want to make it they might have to add in between tiers. Not holding my breath but if it flips say goodbye to crowdfunding wwe products for a long long time.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jul 24, 2021 8:32:49 GMT -5
I have no idea why so many people are routing for this to fail? If this is successful the things we could get. If this fails they won’t try again.
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Post by cableV on Jul 24, 2021 8:34:16 GMT -5
As nice as it looks, I have no desire for that ring. Ultimate Diesel is nice, but not a significant upgrade from his Elites like some of the other Ultimates have been. So for me, that entrance stage is the only thing I would really like to have, but I'm not paying $250 for it. Hopefully they reach the goal because I like the concept.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Jul 24, 2021 8:42:08 GMT -5
I get why they want the money upfront (deters people from just signing up that wont have the funds to purchase it in a month). Seems like they should have got a little creative - maybe a $25 OR $50 nonrefundable downpayment if you sign up, it gets funded, but then your card is declined/you don't update your payment info. You would only get the downpayment back if it isn't funded. I have the money now, but I'll wait until the last day. I'm not a fan of companies getting a free short-term loan/earning interest/investing for a month if this doesn't hit 5K. I think they should have held off on the ring and just did Diesel and the light up entrance for like $130-$150 (that might even be too much) with Doink and other new Gen wrestlers that are less likely to get a UE mainline release (I like the purple flame Bam Bam suggestion) for the additional tiers. They released the RAW/Smackdown rings a couple years ago so I don't really need a 4th ring (I also have the NXT ring) when I don't have the space for it. It's not like those rings sold out right away so it's a little weird that a ring was the main thing they came up with (although the upgrades are cool). If it doesn't get funded, I'm sure Doink and def Diesel will be moved to another slot somewhere for 2022/23 release (I could see Doink being a retailer exclusive). Absolutely agreed. It's just so stupid and shortsighted. If they were taking payment at the close of the order window, I guarantee we'd be at 25-40% right now. Heck, I'm planning to buy 1, maybe two sets myself. The money is a non-factor, but I also don't feel like giving Mattel a short term loan for the next month. And with SDCC releases and pre-orders, Galactus, and summer travel, I'm sure many people don't want to commit or can't commit funds right now. But there's a psychological ripple effect. Instead of being a project that has energy and momentum, we're less than 24 hours and the project already looks like a "loser." That perception will absolutely cost sales. Not everybody is like the regular users here who are keeping up on day to day news. There are plenty of casual buyers probably looked at the project yesterday and who would back it, saw the low progress and said I'll keep my money in the bank for something else, and are never going to give it a second thought. It just seems so indicative of Mattel. All they had to do is copy Haslab's formula step for step and they'd have a winner. Instead they had to get cute and try to bleed out some extra liquidity and maybe net another 15k. If this fails, I guarantee we'll get some scolding response about how "the community didn't support the project" instead of any recognition that Mattel is shooting holes in their own boat. This is so true, if this fails then Mattel will be pointing the finger at us rather than looking in the mirror. Asking for the cash upfront is a huge disadvantage for the project especially given the timing. I’d also agree with those who say whilst the doink in particular is a cool figure…Diesel and Doink are poor choices to get this off the ground. New Gen was such a weird choice. Had this been attitude era RAW with the Tron entrance and ring with an ultimate mr McMahon and maybe a couple of new wants like a val Venis or a whole host of other potentials…could have even put the UE taker and Kane in it and this would have been snapped up. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jul 24, 2021 9:02:17 GMT -5
I have no idea why so many people are routing for this to fail? If this is successful the things we could get. If this fails they won’t try again. It’s Wfigs. We’re all poor, cheap, or believe ourselves to be the rebel alliance fighting against evil corporate toymakers. A big ticket item is never going to succeed. Kudos to Mattel for trying, but at this point, they should just accept that we like the idea of buying big fancy items more than we like the reality of it. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 24, 2021 9:11:47 GMT -5
Absolutely agreed. It's just so stupid and shortsighted. If they were taking payment at the close of the order window, I guarantee we'd be at 25-40% right now. Heck, I'm planning to buy 1, maybe two sets myself. The money is a non-factor, but I also don't feel like giving Mattel a short term loan for the next month. And with SDCC releases and pre-orders, Galactus, and summer travel, I'm sure many people don't want to commit or can't commit funds right now. But there's a psychological ripple effect. Instead of being a project that has energy and momentum, we're less than 24 hours and the project already looks like a "loser." That perception will absolutely cost sales. Not everybody is like the regular users here who are keeping up on day to day news. There are plenty of casual buyers probably looked at the project yesterday and who would back it, saw the low progress and said I'll keep my money in the bank for something else, and are never going to give it a second thought. It just seems so indicative of Mattel. All they had to do is copy Haslab's formula step for step and they'd have a winner. Instead they had to get cute and try to bleed out some extra liquidity and maybe net another 15k. If this fails, I guarantee we'll get some scolding response about how "the community didn't support the project" instead of any recognition that Mattel is shooting holes in their own boat. This is so true, if this fails then Mattel will be pointing the finger at us rather than looking in the mirror. Asking for the cash upfront is a huge disadvantage for the project especially given the timing. I’d also agree with those who say whilst the doink in particular is a cool figure…Diesel and Doink are poor choices to get this off the ground. New Gen was such a weird choice. Had this been attitude era RAW with the Tron entrance and ring with an ultimate mr McMahon and maybe a couple of new wants like a val Venis or a whole host of other potentials…could have even put the UE taker and Kane in it and this would have been snapped up. New Generation is actually what intrigues me most about this, that gen is very overlooked and I personally really liked it. I just wish they had padded this thing with some wrestlers to really decorate it. Give us Diesal, Doink, 123 Kid, zebra HBK, Double J. Something like a Todd Pettingill would have been fantastic. The announcer Vince should have come with this. I would have garnished it with a lot more to justify that price tag. Instead they made weird choices like molding boards under the ring mat…that’s cool but is it necessary? To me that’s like saying, they gave each wrestler real organs on the inside…ok, but who cares, we won’t see them haha. I’m never gonna display my ring with the canvas ripped off. The release date and payment price and date are killers here though. Nothing is less appealing to me as a toy collector than paying a large sum of money for something I may not even get, or when i do it’s going to be a year from now. |
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Post by Chip on Jul 24, 2021 9:33:09 GMT -5
Really dont understand the complaining about the price. The junk stages Mattel has released were around $50. The much less detailed scaled rings were around $130 and an Ultimate figure costs roughly $30....Thats a $40 difference than the price of this and this is scaled and much better detailed. Stop trying to claim that "Mattel is wrong". Just say you're broke and cant afford it. Nobody is judging you. you're mostly right about the costs, except taking retailers into account. they are going to mark these things up more this ring/set is coming literally from mattel's warehouse to your door. you cant use retail prices to give the value. its like when mattel was selling wwe figures on their site for the same price as Target, it was better business for Mattel if you bought from them. Because they have to sell to Target at a lower price before Target flips it to us at their SRP. take those retail costs and subtract prob 25-30% and you get the actual cost Mattel would need to sell it to us at to make a profit and yeah, Mattel is definitely not "wrong" in trying this. I don't even think its wrong to choose Diesel as the figure. He was sold as the face of that short-lived Era. |
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Post by The Coach on Jul 24, 2021 9:42:45 GMT -5
Really dont understand the complaining about the price. The junk stages Mattel has released were around $50. The much less detailed scaled rings were around $130 and an Ultimate figure costs roughly $30....Thats a $40 difference than the price of this and this is scaled and much better detailed. Stop trying to claim that "Mattel is wrong". Just say you're broke and cant afford it. Nobody is judging you. What an idiotic post. I backed more than one of these and still think it’s overpriced. And what scale ring cost $130 at launch??? I (don’t) LOVE YOU Damn bro! An I don’t love you! Cold blooded! |
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Post by Showstopper on Jul 24, 2021 10:16:19 GMT -5
Almost 24 hours later, and less than 750 backers as of right now. Not good.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Jul 24, 2021 10:24:15 GMT -5
I have no idea why so many people are routing for this to fail? If this is successful the things we could get. If this fails they won’t try again. It’s Wfigs. We’re all poor, cheap, or believe ourselves to be the rebel alliance fighting against evil corporate toymakers. A big ticket item is never going to succeed. Kudos to Mattel for trying, but at this point, they should just accept that we like the idea of buying big fancy items more than we like the reality of it. It's a lot of this. I'm not necessarily rooting for it to fail, because I'd love for it to get into the hands of those that want it (I personally have no need for it). That said - it's kind of a matter of the pieces of the story maybe, finally falling into place for a lot of people here. WF has been collectively clamoring for something like this for years. Similarly, there's a segment of WF that doesn't necessarily realize that the most hardcore of wrestling figure buyers are right here among the rest of us, and that we're a very small sliver of Mattel's demographic. In essence...it's going to largely be up to WF and its fringe to make this thing happen. Those aren't necessarily the best odds. We're a niche of a niche. |
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jul 24, 2021 10:40:31 GMT -5
It’s Wfigs. We’re all poor, cheap, or believe ourselves to be the rebel alliance fighting against evil corporate toymakers. A big ticket item is never going to succeed. Kudos to Mattel for trying, but at this point, they should just accept that we like the idea of buying big fancy items more than we like the reality of it. It's a lot of this. I'm not necessarily rooting for it to fail, because I'd love for it to get into the hands of those that want it (I personally have no need for it). That said - it's kind of a matter of the pieces of the story maybe, finally falling into place for a lot of people here. WF has been collectively clamoring for something like this for years. Similarly, there's a segment of WF that doesn't necessarily realize that the most hardcore of wrestling figure buyers are right here among the rest of us, and that we're a very small sliver of Mattel's demographic. In essence...it's going to largely be up to WF and its fringe to make this thing happen. Those aren't necessarily the best odds. We're a niche of a niche. Add into that, it's a very specific niche time period they've targeted. A specific time period that isn't fondly remembered. |
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I dont know good luck