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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 22:24:52 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I AM a backer for the project. For more than one ring actually. I want this to succeed! I would love nothing more than to look back at this post sooner rather than later and say "well that didn't age well." But to be honest, the points I'm going to lay out will still hold true even if funding is reached. So without further ado... let me explain. The package is not a great deal at all. Rewind back to Jakks first Real Scale ring. 2005. The first one was 50 bucks at the time, which means 70 in today's money (that's using actual inflation rates, not a made up number). Now, fast forward to the Mattel Main Event ring. 100 bucks (106 in the current economic climate, not including tax). This ring not only came with a first time in the line Goldberg Elite, but it also included a full-blown announce table and office chairs. Again, all for only 100 dollars. Now, fast forward to this project. Let's start with the Diesel. Ultimate Editions retail for what? 30-33 dollars? Let's get really liberal with our estimation and call it 40. So that leaves us with 210 dollars. That's right. 210 dollars for a wrestling ring. I'm not going to take the upper tiers into consideration because the base set is what they're selling you and we don't know if we will hit that, let alone even more. And even if you did take another 40 off for Doink and say 20 for the skirts, that leaves 150 for the ring. Either way, it's a really hard sell. It's obviously the best looking and and seems to be the best scaled ring ever (  all the other rings boasting about accurate scale, they were all wrong). But is the ring alone worth over DOUBLE the main event ring set? Obviously, it was for me as I backed it. But I can totally see how for most people it isn't. I've just been clamoring for a great ring and am a Diesel mark, so I was sold before the upper tiers were announced (and I gotta say, they were pretty underwhelming). So basically, Mattel kept their tradition of bad openings for new series alive. What they should have done is a Raw Is War Ring with a suited Attitude Era Vince, with announce table and chairs as tier 1, and JR & King tiers 2 and 3, respectively (make the last tier a cage as I forgot JR was in AEW, womp womp). Those upper tiers would have had a domino effect. Once one was hit, people wouldn't be able to let the other two go. To quote a great show, Mattel went with a half measure... when they should have gone all the way. I love you. |
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Post by bababooey on Jul 23, 2021 22:25:14 GMT -5
The set is really nice looking, but it’s a pass for me. Even if both of the other tiers are unlocked, I don’t see $250 in value when there’s other strong options around. The new sculpt of the ring is really cool, but honestly, it’ll be covered up 99% of the time for me. I thought about it and crunched numbers in my head. I’d put a comparable ring around $100, let’s call the figures $40 each, if I’m being generous I’d put the ring skirts at $15 for the two combined. That’s $195. While the entrance is awesome, it’s a fairly think plastic box with some lights and a piece of fabric. I don’t see $50+ in value for it.
I’m sure it will fund, and it’s a really nice piece. I just feel like other companies are offering more bang for your buck.
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Post by FFK on Jul 23, 2021 22:29:08 GMT -5
It’s crazy to me that they don’t have more tiers built in. I would of done
6k ring aprons/guard rails
7k Doink (if it still has to be him) would rather had another HBK
8k OG RAW stage and blue cage
But what do we all know, people at Mattel get paid the big bucks to make failing decisions.
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Post by GR81J on Jul 23, 2021 22:39:50 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I AM a backer for the project. For more than one ring actually. I want this to succeed! I would love nothing more than to look back at this post sooner rather than later and say "well that didn't age well." But to be honest, the points I'm going to lay out will still hold true even if funding is reached. So without further ado... let me explain. The package is not a great deal at all. Rewind back to Jakks first Real Scale ring. 2005. The first one was 50 bucks at the time, which means 70 in today's money (that's using actual inflation rates, not a made up number). Now, fast forward to the Mattel Main Event ring. 100 bucks (106 in the current economic climate, not including tax). This ring not only came with a first time in the line Goldberg Elite, but it also included a full-blown announce table and office chairs. Again, all for only 100 dollars. Now, fast forward to this project. Let's start with the Diesel. Ultimate Editions retail for what? 30-33 dollars? Let's get really liberal with our estimation and call it 40. So that leaves us with 210 dollars. That's right. 210 dollars for a wrestling ring. I'm not going to take the upper tiers into consideration because the base set is what they're selling you and we don't know if we will hit that, let alone even more. And even if you did take another 40 off for Doink and say 20 for the skirts, that leaves 150 for the ring. Either way, it's a really hard sell. It's obviously the best looking and and seems to be the best scaled ring ever ( all the other rings boasting about accurate scale, they were all wrong). But is the ring alone worth over DOUBLE the main event ring set? Obviously, it was for me as I backed it. But I can totally see how for most people it isn't. I've just been clamoring for a great ring and am a Diesel mark, so I was sold before the upper tiers were announced (and I gotta say, they were pretty underwhelming). So basically, Mattel kept their tradition of bad openings for new series alive. What they should have done is a Raw Is War Ring with a suited Attitude Era Vince, with announce table and chairs as tier 1, and JR & King tiers 2 and 3, respectively. Those upper tiers would have had a domino effect. Once one was hit, people wouldn't be able to let the other two go. To quote a great show, Mattel went with a half measure... when they should have gone all the way. I love you. What this guy said! Definitely should of done a different ring an figure than this, I already have enough diesels I don’t want an UE or even doink. So if they changed that to what he said I would so buy into it |
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 23, 2021 22:52:42 GMT -5
They should have had a figure of an AEW announcer that they don’t have under contract?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 22:54:46 GMT -5
They should have had a figure of an AEW announcer that they don’t have under contract? Oh me how did I overlook that? Well, replace King and JR with a cage as the final tier and it still works. I LOVE YOU |
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jul 23, 2021 23:11:47 GMT -5
Sucks to say, but I really don't think this is going to get to 5K.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Jul 23, 2021 23:14:15 GMT -5
I need y'all...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 23:18:09 GMT -5
Sucks to say, but I really don't think this is going to get to 5K. One week from now in Mattel's headquarters... "So guys... how's that crowdsourcing project going?"  |
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 23, 2021 23:45:37 GMT -5
I also went in. And will again next pay period. But launching on sdcc when tons of exclusives suck up peoples money... im hoping there is more buyers next month. Its going very slow now, compared to haslab crowd funds which ive also bought in mutliple times. Youre right, only two tiers. And Doink isnt a hot seller to push people to try and get that new unlock. Weird choices it seems. I hope it funds, but im not holding my breathe. 100% with Diesel & Doink. They really should have gotten a FTITL figure like Jeff Jarrett, Adam Bomb, Bastion Booger, Luna / Bam Bam 2 pack would have been awesome. |
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Post by bubbaskinner on Jul 23, 2021 23:51:25 GMT -5
It’s gonna take about a week to get 1,000 backers. I rarely doubt this gets made . I mean , if this was really gonna take that much to make, you should have sold the ring, then the entrance stage should’ve been sold separate as it’s on thing. But as usual, bad business decisions.
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Post by micco on Jul 24, 2021 0:07:42 GMT -5
That’s not how crowdfunding works. Many people on this board called for a crowdfunding project exactly like this since in the past when we begged Mattel to make something and they did, the same people who begged didn’t actually purchase the thing they pleaded for. Question was did people want the Next Gen Arena and two figures that have multiple elites? Not being sarcastic, asking honestly? Should there have been a vote? I would have paid $250 for a Nitro arena and a Luger and another WCW figure. Different wants though. Each individual has their own specific wants. You can’t please everyone. But if Mattel asked us the question, how many of you want ultimate diesel, next gen arena, etc… we all would have said yes. Very easy to answer hypothetical questions but when it’s time to fork over the cash, it’s a different story. That’s the point of crowdfunding a project. If the demand isn’t there, they don’t have to invest any more time into it. |
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 24, 2021 0:16:38 GMT -5
I can’t afford it. I’m still looking for a job. I’m sure I’m not the only one currently unemployed during a global pandemic. $250 is just too much for me right now.
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Post by micco on Jul 24, 2021 0:17:57 GMT -5
That’s not how crowdfunding works. Many people on this board called for a crowdfunding project exactly like this since in the past when we begged Mattel to make something and they did, the same people who begged didn’t actually purchase the thing they pleaded for. Someone in this exact thread said they aren’t backing the ring because they now have to pay scalper prices for the Slaughter. That’s at least one sale lost, and for a crowdfunding project you need all hands on deck to meet your goal. If there’s one there’s more. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. What does not getting the slaughter have to do with the crowdfunding project? Because he’s choosing to buy it on the secondary market? That’s a choice he has. He also has the option of backing the project. Any time a person makes a purchase it comes down to a choice. Spend the money on item A or something else. Crowdfunding shines a light on who is going to make that commitment. That guy may never have been willing to commit to the 250 or he was but only under certain conditions. A company doesn’t run their business hoping that all the conditions are optimal so that they can make a profit. There’s too much risk in that. Crowdfunding or made to order are the only ways a product like this would ever be made. And it ain’t looking good so far… |
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Post by berealnicknaro on Jul 24, 2021 0:20:19 GMT -5
I bet it would be a little over halfway funded by now if they weren’t taking your money upfront. If I’m able to back this, it won’t be until the last days and if it’s not even close to funding I won’t even bother.
If it was a Raw is War ring/stage/attitude era figure, I’d be in sooner.
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Post by micco on Jul 24, 2021 0:20:42 GMT -5
My fear is if people wait like this instead of backing now or waiting until the end it will cause low numbers that will scare others off and this probably won't even hit the 5K You are probably right but it’s their fault for wanting the money up front when no other company does crowd funding that way. So out of touch. Who doesn’t do crowdfunding this way? This is exactly how crowd funding works. I’ve personally done Kickstarter campaigns that worked just like this. The crowd funds the production of the product. If they didn’t need the crowds money to fund it, it would be like any other sale of a product. |
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Post by micco on Jul 24, 2021 0:26:54 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I AM a backer for the project. For more than one ring actually. I want this to succeed! I would love nothing more than to look back at this post sooner rather than later and say "well that didn't age well." But to be honest, the points I'm going to lay out will still hold true even if funding is reached. So without further ado... let me explain. The package is not a great deal at all. Rewind back to Jakks first Real Scale ring. 2005. The first one was 50 bucks at the time, which means 70 in today's money (that's using actual inflation rates, not a made up number). Now, fast forward to the Mattel Main Event ring. 100 bucks (106 in the current economic climate, not including tax). This ring not only came with a first time in the line Goldberg Elite, but it also included a full-blown announce table and office chairs. Again, all for only 100 dollars. Now, fast forward to this project. Let's start with the Diesel. Ultimate Editions retail for what? 30-33 dollars? Let's get really liberal with our estimation and call it 40. So that leaves us with 210 dollars. That's right. 210 dollars for a wrestling ring. I'm not going to take the upper tiers into consideration because the base set is what they're selling you and we don't know if we will hit that, let alone even more. And even if you did take another 40 off for Doink and say 20 for the skirts, that leaves 150 for the ring. Either way, it's a really hard sell. It's obviously the best looking and and seems to be the best scaled ring ever ( all the other rings boasting about accurate scale, they were all wrong). But is the ring alone worth over DOUBLE the main event ring set? Obviously, it was for me as I backed it. But I can totally see how for most people it isn't. I've just been clamoring for a great ring and am a Diesel mark, so I was sold before the upper tiers were announced (and I gotta say, they were pretty underwhelming). So basically, Mattel kept their tradition of bad openings for new series alive. What they should have done is a Raw Is War Ring with a suited Attitude Era Vince, with announce table and chairs as tier 1, and JR & King tiers 2 and 3, respectively (make the last tier a cage as I forgot JR was in AEW, womp womp). Those upper tiers would have had a domino effect. Once one was hit, people wouldn't be able to let the other two go. To quote a great show, Mattel went with a half measure... when they should have gone all the way. I love you. It’s def not a bargain. If we get the doink, mathematically, it’s fair. Say the diesel is forty and doink is forty. That’s 170 for the ring and electronic entrance stage. I’d value the stage at 60 bucks. 110 for the ring which is bigger better and more detailed than the previous ring is reasonable even without announce tables and an elite figure. Throw in the skirts and there’s no way a logical thinking person could complain about the price tag. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 0:37:26 GMT -5
Full disclosure: I AM a backer for the project. For more than one ring actually. I want this to succeed! I would love nothing more than to look back at this post sooner rather than later and say "well that didn't age well." But to be honest, the points I'm going to lay out will still hold true even if funding is reached. So without further ado... let me explain. The package is not a great deal at all. Rewind back to Jakks first Real Scale ring. 2005. The first one was 50 bucks at the time, which means 70 in today's money (that's using actual inflation rates, not a made up number). Now, fast forward to the Mattel Main Event ring. 100 bucks (106 in the current economic climate, not including tax). This ring not only came with a first time in the line Goldberg Elite, but it also included a full-blown announce table and office chairs. Again, all for only 100 dollars. Now, fast forward to this project. Let's start with the Diesel. Ultimate Editions retail for what? 30-33 dollars? Let's get really liberal with our estimation and call it 40. So that leaves us with 210 dollars. That's right. 210 dollars for a wrestling ring. I'm not going to take the upper tiers into consideration because the base set is what they're selling you and we don't know if we will hit that, let alone even more. And even if you did take another 40 off for Doink and say 20 for the skirts, that leaves 150 for the ring. Either way, it's a really hard sell. It's obviously the best looking and and seems to be the best scaled ring ever ( all the other rings boasting about accurate scale, they were all wrong). But is the ring alone worth over DOUBLE the main event ring set? Obviously, it was for me as I backed it. But I can totally see how for most people it isn't. I've just been clamoring for a great ring and am a Diesel mark, so I was sold before the upper tiers were announced (and I gotta say, they were pretty underwhelming). So basically, Mattel kept their tradition of bad openings for new series alive. What they should have done is a Raw Is War Ring with a suited Attitude Era Vince, with announce table and chairs as tier 1, and JR & King tiers 2 and 3, respectively (make the last tier a cage as I forgot JR was in AEW, womp womp). Those upper tiers would have had a domino effect. Once one was hit, people wouldn't be able to let the other two go. To quote a great show, Mattel went with a half measure... when they should have gone all the way. I love you. It’s def not a bargain. If we get the doink, mathematically, it’s fair. Say the diesel is forty and doink is forty. That’s 170 for the ring and electronic entrance stage. I’d value the stage at 60 bucks. 110 for the ring which is bigger better and more detailed than the previous ring is reasonable even without announce tables and an elite figure. Throw in the skirts and there’s no way a logical thinking person could complain about the price tag. You lose me with the stage being worth 60. There's no entrance ramp. There's no intricate details. It's a plastic rectangle that lights up. And again, it's not fair to count Doink. They're asking five thousand people to pay 250 for the base set and at the rate it's going, we won't even hit that, let alone another two thousand on top of that. No way a logical person could complain? Pffffft. There's no logical person that would value that plastic stage piece at 60 dollars either. Come on now. I love you. |
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 24, 2021 0:44:13 GMT -5
Someone in this exact thread said they aren’t backing the ring because they now have to pay scalper prices for the Slaughter. That’s at least one sale lost, and for a crowdfunding project you need all hands on deck to meet your goal. If there’s one there’s more. Where there’s smoke there’s fire. What does not getting the slaughter have to do with the crowdfunding project? Because he’s choosing to buy it on the secondary market? That’s a choice he has. He also has the option of backing the project. Any time a person makes a purchase it comes down to a choice. Spend the money on item A or something else. Crowdfunding shines a light on who is going to make that commitment. That guy may never have been willing to commit to the 250 or he was but only under certain conditions. A company doesn’t run their business hoping that all the conditions are optimal so that they can make a profit. There’s too much risk in that. Crowdfunding or made to order are the only ways a product like this would ever be made. And it ain’t looking good so far… Crowdfunding isn’t the only way. Jakks released 3 different retro WWF scale rings at retail (technically one was a rerelease with a Hogan and Piper figure) and I believe they sold pretty well. And Wicked Cool Toys released a retro WWF conversion kit for their scale ring and it sold like crazy. Look how quickly the AEW scale ring sold out. Mattel could have easily made a retro scale ring and sold it exclusively through boutique online retailers like RSC and the other online retailers that sell nerd exclusives. Put a $150 price tag on the ring/entrance combo and it’ll be sold out everywhere in 6 months. The K-Mart exclusive entrance stage from 2012 retailed at $50. It was significantly bigger and had action features and sounds. |
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Post by MKSavage on Jul 24, 2021 0:58:34 GMT -5
New to this crowd funding thing but what are the chances they sell the individual pieces separately if they fail to reach their goal? The ring is really nice, so is the light-up entrance, and I imagine they could get people to buy that by itself for a lower cost. And that Doink needs to be released, that is an amazing figure. Diesel could be better, especially for an Ultimate Edition figure. I'd imagine if it were to be released by itself that they would make some alterations, maybe add some more deco to the attire (silver tank top that says Diesel Power, maybe add the dice decals on the legs of his pants and the entrance vest). And maybe add the WWF Winged Eagle World Title.
Also, if the numbers continue to be far away from their goal, any chance they add more things to help boost sales?
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