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Post by The Gang on Aug 10, 2021 14:10:48 GMT -5
Not in this scenario people keep proposing - if a 3rd party bought 1,000 of these to reach the 5K, that's 1,000 units that would have previously went unsold to actual buyers. If people weren't willing to buy those last 1K to get to 5K, what makes you think they'll all of the sudden want it after the fact? Dude where are you coming up with this logic? There have been COUNTLESS figures and playsets from a multitude of different companies that didn’t sell initially and in some cases made it to Big Lots, and then skyrocketed as soon as they weren’t widely available anymore. What on earth makes you think this would be any different? The Ultimate line is on fire right now and the resale value for most of them turns insane within the same calendar year. If this somehow gets funded, the Ultimates alone (not even including Doink btw) will cover the buy in on this whole set before you know it. I love you. It would seem that many here have no idea about the secondary market. These figures will be worth quite a bit if this can get made.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 14:22:11 GMT -5
Dude where are you coming up with this logic? There have been COUNTLESS figures and playsets from a multitude of different companies that didn’t sell initially and in some cases made it to Big Lots, and then skyrocketed as soon as they weren’t widely available anymore. What on earth makes you think this would be any different? The Ultimate line is on fire right now and the resale value for most of them turns insane within the same calendar year. If this somehow gets funded, the Ultimates alone (not even including Doink btw) will cover the buy in on this whole set before you know it. I love you. What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding. If you can’t see that these pieces will sell for a premium within a year, we’ll just have to agree to disagree. And if this does get funded, we should mark this conversation and revisit in a year from now. And I like the ring 🤷♂️ I love you.
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 14:23:49 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 14:29:35 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. In fairness, most of the opening lineups for those lines were absolute trash. Couple that with Mattel’s distribution issues, it’s not surprising those lines failed. I love you.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 10, 2021 14:29:40 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. And a year from now, the market might just burst and mattel elites could be as worthless as jakks BCAs.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 10, 2021 14:30:23 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. It is. WWE collectors make up a fraction of the buyers.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 10, 2021 14:33:21 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. The major pod has almost 100k YouTube subscribers. Ultimate editions are doing excellent at retail. So are legends and so on. This campaign not being successful atm is more reflective of fault Mattel’s poor initial rollout (it didn’t really recover from the pay now bs) and lack of marketing.
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Post by Midnight: Dark Knight on Aug 10, 2021 14:47:00 GMT -5
Dude where are you coming up with this logic? There have been COUNTLESS figures and playsets from a multitude of different companies that didn’t sell initially and in some cases made it to Big Lots, and then skyrocketed as soon as they weren’t widely available anymore. What on earth makes you think this would be any different? The Ultimate line is on fire right now and the resale value for most of them turns insane within the same calendar year. If this somehow gets funded, the Ultimates alone (not even including Doink btw) will cover the buy in on this whole set before you know it. I love you. What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding. Man if this doesnt nail it i dont know what does. I was going to back 2 sets ( to recoup my costs), but after long thought i realized the struggle i would have just to break even with so many others hoping to do the same or if someone swiped in to buy bulk stock and the market is saturated for a while. If people weren’t willing to back it at retail price i dont know why so many people think they would be willing to pay more after the fact. Ill back one set and hope for the best!
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Post by lonz on Aug 10, 2021 14:55:24 GMT -5
I think there is a huge separation from figure collectors and collectors that want everything. I get why people want playsets but that is way more of a niche market than just collecting figures. I never had a ring when I was a kid so there is no sentimental value and I just don't want to create the room for it as an adult. That being said I did back this, mostly for the Randy Savage figure. I'm probably going to do the same thing everyone else is doing that doesn't give a crap about the ring, put in the attic and wait to sell the rest of it eventually. I hope this goes forward and gets the backers and I pray I can do a clean sweep when this arrives so my girlfriend does not see it.
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 14:55:28 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. The major pod has almost 100k YouTube subscribers. Ultimate editions are doing excellent at retail. So are legends and so on. This campaign not being successful atm is more reflective of fault Mattel’s poor initial rollout (it didn’t really recover from the pay now bs) and lack of marketing. 100K youtube subscribers doesn't necessarily translate to active adult collectors, because if it did then just 5% of those subscribers would have pushed this thing into production. Ultimates were not doing well at retail prior to last year, in fact Target had discontinued carrying them till the Hogan wave.
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Post by KPnDC on Aug 10, 2021 15:15:05 GMT -5
What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding. Man if this doesnt nail it i dont know what does. I was going to back 2 sets ( to recoup my costs), but after long thought i realized the struggle i would have just to break even with so many others hoping to do the same or if someone swiped in to buy bulk stock and the market is saturated for a while. If people weren’t willing to back it at retail price i dont know why so many people think they would be willing to pay more after the fact. Ill back one set and hope for the best! It won’t matter if it’s not technically “sold out” it won’t be readily available in two years and the market will be there. We’re seeing this across all memorabilia collecting currently.
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Post by Jackass Pacific on Aug 10, 2021 15:19:23 GMT -5
i wasn’t planning on backing this, but macho man got added so i figured i’d back it closer to his deadline. but having bought foo fighters tickets this morning, i’m back on the fence. i figure i’ll wait til thursday night and see where it’s at. worst case scenario is that i’m out $250+shipping for a couple weeks. if it ends up backed, i’ll figure it out from there
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2021 15:22:58 GMT -5
This whole thing is beginning to make me question how niche the adult wrestling collector market is. It seems almost all the high end collector geared lines Mattel has done for WWE have failed at retail. The original legends line, entrance greats, defining moments, epic moments all undersold and now this ring set is struggling. Maybe this is more niche than we've realized. And a year from now, the market might just burst and mattel elites could be as worthless as jakks BCAs. I don’t think so. The Jakks situation was very different. We knew they were losing the license. And they were phoning it in across the entire product line the last few years. And even then Jakks Classics were still holding value. It was only when Mattel’s figures actually came out that they started to dip. As far as I know Mattel has the license for the forseeable future. No reason to believe that’s changing any time soon. I love you.
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Post by stc13 on Aug 10, 2021 15:28:30 GMT -5
And a year from now, the market might just burst and mattel elites could be as worthless as jakks BCAs. I don’t think so. The Jakks situation waa very different. We knew they were losing the license. And they were phoning it in across the entire product line the last few years. And even then Jakks Classics were still holding value. It was only when Mattel’s figures actually came out that they started to dip. As far as I know Mattel has the license for the forseeable future. No reason to believe that’s changing any time soon. I love you. Even if there was a change, another company would be foolish to change the scale. This scale is now pretty standard across a number of wrestling lines. The idea that these figures won't hold long term collector appeal seems pretty absurd to me.
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Post by #Heel on Aug 10, 2021 15:28:41 GMT -5
This proves that no influencer is big enough in this community to influencer the market like that. Even all together they can’t get the job done. It wasn’t until Mattel added Savage that it even had some movement. People will buy what they want to buy.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Aug 10, 2021 15:28:59 GMT -5
Man, I just want to see this thing get funded and hope they add Doink in late to get the extra incentive for others to back it. That Doink is WAY too cool to not get made, as is the rest of the set. Hoping a major party buys some to help get across the finish line… where’s Cardona?
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 10, 2021 15:34:43 GMT -5
We’re growing 3-4 percent per day. If this holds until the 13th and we see a similar jump on the last day of Macho as we did the first, we’ll be sitting at around 72%.
Definitely feels like we need mattel to have another ace up their sleeve for the final week. Whether it’s lowering Doink, keeping Savage until the end or even adding another month to the campaign.
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 10, 2021 15:34:54 GMT -5
Dude where are you coming up with this logic? There have been COUNTLESS figures and playsets from a multitude of different companies that didn’t sell initially and in some cases made it to Big Lots, and then skyrocketed as soon as they weren’t widely available anymore. What on earth makes you think this would be any different? The Ultimate line is on fire right now and the resale value for most of them turns insane within the same calendar year. If this somehow gets funded, the Ultimates alone (not even including Doink btw) will cover the buy in on this whole set before you know it. I love you. What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding. He’s talking about Mattel’s first scale ring. It ended up at Big Lots for half the price. But a year or two later when the scale rings were no longer at stores, the price skyrocketed on the secondary market. They were selling for crazy markup. I remember because that’s when I got into collecting and the cheapest one I found was $300. I bought it, which was dumb because they suddenly re-released a bunch a year later, but I didn’t know that because the stock was so rare when I started looking. These rings are going to be valuable to people who either weren’t able to get one at the time, weren’t collecting at the time, or didn’t know about it at the time.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Aug 10, 2021 15:36:55 GMT -5
We’re growing 3-4 minutes percent per day. If this holds until the 13th and we see a similar jump on the last day of Macho as we did the first, we’ll be sitting at around 72%. Definitely feels like we need mattel to have another ace up their sleeve for the final week. Whether it’s lowering Doink, keeping Savage until the end or even adding another month to the campaign. I really think they will throw in Doink. No chance its reaching 7k so just throw it in and make this set happen. If Doink is added, this thing surely will get backed.
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Post by kgchampion on Aug 10, 2021 15:38:27 GMT -5
I don’t think so. The Jakks situation waa very different. We knew they were losing the license. And they were phoning it in across the entire product line the last few years. And even then Jakks Classics were still holding value. It was only when Mattel’s figures actually came out that they started to dip. As far as I know Mattel has the license for the forseeable future. No reason to believe that’s changing any time soon. I love you. Even if there was a change, another company would be foolish to change the scale. This scale is now pretty standard across a number of wrestling lines. The idea that these figures won't hold long term collector appeal seems pretty absurd to me. And Jakks’ scale ring is still valuable and sought after, too, even though Jakks figures have a wonky scale. Scale rings only increase in price on the secondary market. Any cheap one gets snapped up quickly.
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