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Post by Warriah' on Aug 10, 2021 15:38:45 GMT -5
I don’t think so. The Jakks situation waa very different. We knew they were losing the license. And they were phoning it in across the entire product line the last few years. And even then Jakks Classics were still holding value. It was only when Mattel’s figures actually came out that they started to dip. As far as I know Mattel has the license for the forseeable future. No reason to believe that’s changing any time soon. I love you. Even if there was a change, another company would be foolish to change the scale. This scale is now pretty standard across a number of wrestling lines. The idea that these figures won't hold long term collector appeal seems pretty absurd to me. I can’t imagine any other company coming along at this point and bei able to outdo Mattel is they start from scratch. Mattel has had the license for a decade and made almost everyone you could possibly think of. Many of these older legends won’t be able to sit on store shelves in 10-20 or so years from now.
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 10, 2021 15:40:36 GMT -5
We’re growing 3-4 minutes percent per day. If this holds until the 13th and we see a similar jump on the last day of Macho as we did the first, we’ll be sitting at around 72%. Definitely feels like we need mattel to have another ace up their sleeve for the final week. Whether it’s lowering Doink, keeping Savage until the end or even adding another month to the campaign. I really think they will throw in Doink. No chance its reaching 7k so just throw it in and make this set happen. If Doink is added, this thing surely will get backed. I hope so. But if this is the case they need to have a window where you can get both macho and Doink so people to ensure it’s backed. If you take macho out but add Doink people will be hesitant because they missed out on Macho.
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 15:45:01 GMT -5
I really think they will throw in Doink. No chance its reaching 7k so just throw it in and make this set happen. If Doink is added, this thing surely will get backed. I hope so. But if this is the case they need to have a window where you can get both macho and Doink so people to ensure it’s backed. If you take macho out but add Doink people will be hesitant because they missed out on Macho. Exactly Friday is do or die for this project.
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Post by ℍ𝕒𝕣𝕕 𝕋𝕠 𝕂𝕚𝕝𝕝 on Aug 10, 2021 15:45:16 GMT -5
What you're comparing and what I'm talking about aren't the same thing. It's an apples and oranges comparison. I'm talking about a $250 set with multiple pieces and you're trying to compare that to a $10 Elite at Big Lots from 3-4 years ago before there was a huge collector's boom. You're cherry picking specifically the Ultimates to make a theoretical point and completely neglecting the ring and entrance stage that are also part of this package. My original point: If they're are roughly around 4K who back this, and some 3rd party comes in backs the remaining 1K with the idea of the breaking up the set to sell the pieces individually, that would screw a bunch of people who may have backed this with the idea of selling the ring or entrance to offset costs. If a 3rd party buys 1K - the set IS NOT SOLD OUT. If something isn't sold out, the value inherently isn't there. And let's be real, nobody in this thread has said they are specifically buying this just for the ring. It's the least desired item of the set and is what's dragging this down from succeeding. He’s talking about Mattel’s first scale ring. It ended up at Big Lots for half the price. But a year or two later when the scale rings were no longer at stores, the price skyrocketed on the secondary market. They were selling for crazy markup. I remember because that’s when I got into collecting and the cheapest one I found was $300. I bought it, which was dumb because they suddenly re-released a bunch a year later, but I didn’t know that because the stock was so rare when I started looking. These rings are going to be valuable to people who either weren’t able to get one at the time, weren’t collecting at the time, or didn’t know about it at the time. Its also happened with a few of the early Defining Moments figures. I remember that the price point was too high at the beginning of Mattel's run and a lot of Big Lots were flooded with figures like Defining Moments Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Ultimate Warrior, Triple H and Bret Hart. I also remember all of the first Legends series showing up at places like Gordmans and TJ Maxx for $10 each. They always had the Road Warriors, Rick Martel, and Akeem sitting around because retail stores couldn't sell them. Imagine being someone who scored all of those for $15 and you had them today to resell. People skipped them in 2010, 2011 or 2012 for 50% retail price, and now they're willing to pay $150+ per figure. It always happens with the figures and lines that are more directed towards adult collectors. There really is no reason why this set would be any different, in my opinion. Its $250 now and people are thinking that its not worth it, its too expensive, they can't afford it right now, or they don't really need it. A lot of people who skip out on this item now are doing to want at least one item from this set. If someone buys an extra and just keeps it pristine for a few years, there's a big chance that you can resell the Macho Man for $150, with the stage and the Diesel not far behind. I do understand the hesitation for the secondary market price of the ring. Its a ring. But, that doesn't mean it won't be worthless. Especially if you are patient and sit it out for awhile, you'll have a mint collector's item that will mean a lot to somebody. Those cardboard RAW & Smackdown stages that Ringside had a few years ago were on sale often for just over $10. Now I see them sell for $80. Random ring skirts for the ESR were $5.99 and now I see the ECW or Nitro ones for $50+ on eBay. Its going to happen. There is no question about it.
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Post by KPnDC on Aug 10, 2021 15:49:53 GMT -5
Robert has a new interview up. You can listen to it here. podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mattel-project-copywriter-robert-rudman/id1533850464?i=1000531556252Notes: - Nothing has been tooled yet, all the pieces were 3D - He expects a late rush similar to other crowdfunding projects. He fully expects Doink to get unlocked. - Macho wouldn’t be possible. They didn’t think it was possible because of the deco hits. - Reiterates that everything will be packaged individually and then in one larger display piece. Macho will ship separately in its own Ultimate’s packaging.
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Post by LA Times on Aug 10, 2021 15:53:39 GMT -5
Man, I just want to see this thing get funded and hope they add Doink in late to get the extra incentive for others to back it. That Doink is WAY too cool to not get made, as is the rest of the set. Hoping a major party buys some to help get across the finish line… where’s Cardona? He's buying 5 of these sets -One for display with Savage as a wrestler -One for display with Savage as an announcer -One to keep MIB -Two to sell
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Post by KPnDC on Aug 10, 2021 15:56:14 GMT -5
He’s talking about Mattel’s first scale ring. It ended up at Big Lots for half the price. But a year or two later when the scale rings were no longer at stores, the price skyrocketed on the secondary market. They were selling for crazy markup. I remember because that’s when I got into collecting and the cheapest one I found was $300. I bought it, which was dumb because they suddenly re-released a bunch a year later, but I didn’t know that because the stock was so rare when I started looking. These rings are going to be valuable to people who either weren’t able to get one at the time, weren’t collecting at the time, or didn’t know about it at the time. Its also happened with a few of the early Defining Moments figures. I remember that the price point was too high at the beginning of Mattel's run and a lot of Big Lots were flooded with figures like Defining Moments Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Ultimate Warrior, Triple H and Bret Hart. I also remember all of the first Legends series showing up at places like Gordmans and TJ Maxx for $10 each. They always had the Road Warriors, Rick Martel, and Akeem sitting around because retail stores couldn't sell them. Imagine being someone who scored all of those for $15 and you had them today to resell. People skipped them in 2010, 2011 or 2012 for 50% retail price, and now they're willing to pay $150+ per figure. It always happens with the figures and lines that are more directed towards adult collectors. There really is no reason why this set would be any different, in my opinion. Its $250 now and people are thinking that its not worth it, its too expensive, they can't afford it right now, or they don't really need it. A lot of people who skip out on this item now are doing to want at least one item from this set. If someone buys an extra and just keeps it pristine for a few years, there's a big chance that you can resell the Macho Man for $150, with the stage and the Diesel not far behind. Ha! Last night I was thinking about when RSC unfortunately flooded and I got several of their exclusives for next to nothing. I think I got the CM Punk SES Exclusive loose in a baggy for like $19, Kane too. I didn’t know about those figures until I saw that sale. I know some of you were around for that! Or when they were finding DMs Ultimate Warrior and Steamboat in Big Lots or whatever store that was for $5. One of my DMs still have the $5 sticker.
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Post by jokerjohn on Aug 10, 2021 15:59:21 GMT -5
Has anyone from Canada backed this yet? If so, what did your total come to? What was the shipping charge and was there any communication about duties? I backed it on the first day. Price was just under $330 all in. I think 328 and change. Shipping was only 12 American same as it was for Slaughter, which is alot cheaper than I was expecting to pay so in a way that would make up for any potential duties.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Aug 10, 2021 16:07:26 GMT -5
This proves that no influencer is big enough in this community to influencer the market like that. Even all together they can’t get the job done. It wasn’t until Mattel added Savage that it even had some movement. People will buy what they want to buy. How many influencers are there? I can only think of MyDamnToys, and the Major Bros.
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Post by stc13 on Aug 10, 2021 16:18:08 GMT -5
This proves that no influencer is big enough in this community to influencer the market like that. Even all together they can’t get the job done. It wasn’t until Mattel added Savage that it even had some movement. People will buy what they want to buy. How many influencers are there? I can only think of MyDamnToys, and the Major Bros. I think it says less about the impact of "influencers" and more about the size and relative affluence of the wrestling figure community. I haven't totally given up hope, but I think this project illustrates some very clear differences between WWE and Star Wars/Marvel collectors.
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Post by legendsguy on Aug 10, 2021 16:29:08 GMT -5
yea i said in the other thread, they picked the wrong era.. we may have been at 5k by now if it was attitude, ruthless , golden, or even right now. they may be at 7k by now if it was a current set up. its clear, its a niche market, i agree. and i admit i was wrong about it.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Aug 10, 2021 16:32:54 GMT -5
It’s at 48% and the added Macho bonus ends this Friday. I’m starting to doubt it will fill more now.
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 16:41:34 GMT -5
I think most of us agree that most people are not gonna buy in if they miss out on Macho, which means that this thing has to go up over 50% in 3 days. Unless Mattel pull a last minute surprise or pushes back the end date (keeping macho available for everyone) I just don't see it hitting 5000 let alone the 7000 needed for Doink.
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Post by @brit_figs on Aug 10, 2021 16:41:42 GMT -5
Whats Cardona's thoughts as to why this hasn't easily got the backing that many thought it would have done? VintageFigs1
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Post by KPnDC on Aug 10, 2021 16:42:26 GMT -5
yea i said in the other thread, they picked the wrong era.. we may have been at 5k by now if it was attitude, ruthless , golden, or even right now. they may be at 7k by now if it was a current set up. its clear, its a niche market, i agree. and i admit i was wrong about it. The sets you listed minus the Golden Era, what would that set be anyhow, would all be at least twice as large, intricate, and expensive. My mistake, maybe you’re talking about an interview set? Pipers pet, snake pit, barbershop, etc?
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 16:45:09 GMT -5
yea i said in the other thread, they picked the wrong era.. we may have been at 5k by now if it was attitude, ruthless , golden, or even right now. they may be at 7k by now if it was a current set up. its clear, its a niche market, i agree. and i admit i was wrong about it. The sets you listed minus the Golden Era, what would that set be anyhow, would all be at least twice as large, intricate, and expensive. I honestly believe a scale titantron (with no ring) and a couple exclusive figures would have done significantly better at a $200 price point.
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Post by KPnDC on Aug 10, 2021 16:48:09 GMT -5
The sets you listed minus the Golden Era, what would that set be anyhow, would all be at least twice as large, intricate, and expensive. I honestly believe a scale titantron (with no ring) and a couple exclusive figures would have done significantly better at a $200 price point. A set piece with lights, a massive working screen, trussing with banners and a curtain, ramp, stage and a couple of exclusive figures would be $200? 👀 👍🏽
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Post by guster on Aug 10, 2021 16:51:39 GMT -5
He’s talking about Mattel’s first scale ring. It ended up at Big Lots for half the price. But a year or two later when the scale rings were no longer at stores, the price skyrocketed on the secondary market. They were selling for crazy markup. I remember because that’s when I got into collecting and the cheapest one I found was $300. I bought it, which was dumb because they suddenly re-released a bunch a year later, but I didn’t know that because the stock was so rare when I started looking. These rings are going to be valuable to people who either weren’t able to get one at the time, weren’t collecting at the time, or didn’t know about it at the time. Its also happened with a few of the early Defining Moments figures. I remember that the price point was too high at the beginning of Mattel's run and a lot of Big Lots were flooded with figures like Defining Moments Stone Cold, Shawn Michaels, Ultimate Warrior, Triple H and Bret Hart. I also remember all of the first Legends series showing up at places like Gordmans and TJ Maxx for $10 each. They always had the Road Warriors, Rick Martel, and Akeem sitting around because retail stores couldn't sell them. Imagine being someone who scored all of those for $15 and you had them today to resell. People skipped them in 2010, 2011 or 2012 for 50% retail price, and now they're willing to pay $150+ per figure. It always happens with the figures and lines that are more directed towards adult collectors. There really is no reason why this set would be any different, in my opinion. Its $250 now and people are thinking that its not worth it, its too expensive, they can't afford it right now, or they don't really need it. A lot of people who skip out on this item now are doing to want at least one item from this set. If someone buys an extra and just keeps it pristine for a few years, there's a big chance that you can resell the Macho Man for $150, with the stage and the Diesel not far behind. I do understand the hesitation for the secondary market price of the ring. Its a ring. But, that doesn't mean it won't be worthless. Especially if you are patient and sit it out for awhile, you'll have a mint collector's item that will mean a lot to somebody. Those cardboard RAW & Smackdown stages that Ringside had a few years ago were on sale often for just over $10. Now I see them sell for $80. Random ring skirts for the ESR were $5.99 and now I see the ECW or Nitro ones for $50+ on eBay. Its going to happen. There is no question about it. I don't collect as an investment to re-sell so I'm not sure why everyone is trying to push that narrative like it's relevant to everyone in this thread as if that's going to be what changes people's minds. Especially when these things sometimes take years to reach their potential value. I'm talking about NOW. I'm talking about people who want to back this for a few items and trying to sell to recoup NOW. If someone buys 1K and floods the market with 1K of product that otherwise wouldn't have been bought, this could potentially alienate the people from who did pledge, from pledging from future projects. I don't care about 2-3 years from now. That's not relevant to the future success of other kickstarters. Especially if these would regularly need to be bought up by a big investor just inch by the minimum number of backers.
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Post by alkohal on Aug 10, 2021 16:54:17 GMT -5
I honestly believe a scale titantron (with no ring) and a couple exclusive figures would have done significantly better at a $200 price point. A set piece with lights, a massive working screen, trussing with banners and a curtain, ramp, stage and a couple of exclusive figures would be $200? 👀 👍🏽 I can get a working tablet for $50. A basic quality LCD screen isnt the expense it was 10 years ago. It doesnt have to be exactly $200 but I think it could have been in the same ballpark as this set and would have been more desirable.
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Post by legendsguy on Aug 10, 2021 17:00:01 GMT -5
yea i said in the other thread, they picked the wrong era.. we may have been at 5k by now if it was attitude, ruthless , golden, or even right now. they may be at 7k by now if it was a current set up. its clear, its a niche market, i agree. and i admit i was wrong about it. The sets you listed minus the Golden Era, what would that set be anyhow, would all be at least twice as large, intricate, and expensive. My mistake, maybe you’re talking about an interview set? Pipers pet, snake pit, barbershop, etc? i really didnt give it much thought about actually..lol. but yea your prob right about twice as large, intricate, and expensive. but didnt they have a entrance stage for display a few years back at a con ? i could see something like that working out. but im not sure the cost. anyhow, they picked the wrong era regardless. imo.
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