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Post by micco on Jul 25, 2021 6:19:24 GMT -5
Who doesn’t do crowdfunding this way? This is exactly how crowd funding works. I’ve personally done Kickstarter campaigns that worked just like this. The crowd funds the production of the product. If they didn’t need the crowds money to fund it, it would be like any other sale of a product. I mean taking the money upfront rather than when the campaign ends. What did you think I meant? Obviously I know crowd funding means it isn’t put into production until they get enough numbers. That is very, very obvious. Right, but who doesn’t take the money up front. All of the crowdfunding campaigns I’ve ever seen have done it this exact way. What other way is there. You pay them with a pinky swear? A hand written IOU? |
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Post by fzmadness on Jul 25, 2021 6:30:45 GMT -5
The ring is awesome looking but 250 is a lot. I think that’s a reason a lot people didn’t pull the trigger. It equates to 10-15 figures people could buy with that money. Especially if they already have a ring. The add ons are nice but ringskirts aren’t a big draw for a stretch goal especially when you could have bought ringskirts on RSC for like two bucks for years. The perceived value just wasn’t there. With that said I hope it gets made for those who want it. Secondly I think a lot of people are bitter or pissed like me that they were on Mattel creations before the on sale and were in line to check out and couldn’t get Slaughter. I’ll buy one from one of the toy stores in the area and pay 100 bucks for it I’m sure. People are pissed and said screw them. You can’t give me the figure especially since I’m in line with it but you want me to crowd fund 250? Yeah you could kick rocks for that. The Amazon Hogan thing is also the cherry on top of that. Mattel has done a crap job with this line for so long on the distribution side of things so that are some of the reasons why I think this is so low in terms of backers.
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Post by uc on Jul 25, 2021 7:29:03 GMT -5
I mean taking the money upfront rather than when the campaign ends. What did you think I meant? Obviously I know crowd funding means it isn’t put into production until they get enough numbers. That is very, very obvious. Right, but who doesn’t take the money up front. All of the crowdfunding campaigns I’ve ever seen have done it this exact way. What other way is there. You pay them with a pinky swear? A hand written IOU? Kickstarter doesn't take the money when you back it, takes it on crowdfunding campaign being successful and time completed. You give card info but you're not charged until the end |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 25, 2021 7:31:04 GMT -5
If they throw Adam Bomb or Double J into this thing I’ll eat all my words and buy it tonight. 😋 Exactly my thoughts. My buddy and I were just talking about the updated Jinder/Goldberg ring exclusives. The ring pairing took them out of regular release options for a ling time. Mattel would have hit a home run if they went with your suggested names of Jarrett or Bomb and I’ll add these two to the mix: 1. Kona Crush 2. Evil Crush Either would be awesome, Evil Crush especially. The more I think about it, they should have just capitalized on the void Hasbro left us and made the last set of old school WWF figs nobody could find. Evil Crush, Adam Bomb, 123 Kid. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 25, 2021 7:41:13 GMT -5
I mean taking the money upfront rather than when the campaign ends. What did you think I meant? Obviously I know crowd funding means it isn’t put into production until they get enough numbers. That is very, very obvious. Right, but who doesn’t take the money up front. All of the crowdfunding campaigns I’ve ever seen have done it this exact way. What other way is there. You pay them with a pinky swear? A hand written IOU? Hasbro's Haslab, which is the model Mattel is copying, doesn't take payment until the end of the pledge campaign. It gives people an incentive to pledge early. All they had to do was copy the model, but some corporate suit wanted to get cute and look how well it's going. |
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Post by stc13 on Jul 25, 2021 7:47:59 GMT -5
It's not me -- less than 800 people have backed this in two days. This is the proof of demand. That is PATHETIC -- and it proves no one wanted this. You have no idea why people have decided not to back it. There could be a 1000 different variables. It doesn't automatically equate to "Nobody wants a ring!" We also have absolutely no clue how many people are actually interested in this item. Taking money up front has turned a lot of people off from pledging early, which is the total opposite of Hasbro's system. I still see the package as a solid value that would have great ROI from an investment perspective. But I also haven't put my order in, even though I absolutely will be buying. I think there are a lot of folks in a similar situation. When it was shown, the feedback was pretty positive. Some people want the stage, some the ring, some all of it. Without the upfront charge, I honestly think we're around 40-50% backed right now, which would be in line with similar Haslab campaigns. Mattel shot themselves in the foot with the payment model, and now the tone has turned into a joke and a ton of negativity. If it bombs, I think it's a marketing failure, not a design one. But I also fully expect Mattel will blame the collecting community instead of questioning their own practices, and we'll get some condescending response about why we can't have nice things. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Jul 25, 2021 7:51:01 GMT -5
This thing comes with Fake Diesel Glenn Jacobs rather than Nash, how does that affect your interest?
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Post by hijito on Jul 25, 2021 7:54:34 GMT -5
We gotta stop with the "people" or "nobody" wanted a ring comments. YOU may not have wanted a ring but plenty other have. A properly scaled ring has been something long asked for on here. Whether you dont want it, cant afford it or whatever...thats fine...But stop trying to loop everybody in with you just to try and justify your decision. this 100% the ring is the main thing i want. the RSR and ESR both had issues, and then the Main Event light up rings were silly with the short ropes. I'm very much one of those fans begging for an accurate ring like this. as someone who uses figures for play and not display, i really need something with a good ring sound. last summer i tried to build my own fig ring using a metal shelving frame with balsa wood slats under canvas and the bump noise was amazing! i kept thinking "why hasn't mattel or jazzwares ever thought to do this?" so as soon as i saw this Ultimate Edition ring i needed to back it. i want this ring so much. |
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Post by Warriah' on Jul 25, 2021 8:27:57 GMT -5
I mean taking the money upfront rather than when the campaign ends. What did you think I meant? Obviously I know crowd funding means it isn’t put into production until they get enough numbers. That is very, very obvious. Right, but who doesn’t take the money up front. All of the crowdfunding campaigns I’ve ever seen have done it this exact way. What other way is there. You pay them with a pinky swear? A hand written IOU? You still obviously apply your credit card to the order. It’s simply that the money doesn’t come out until AFTER the campaign ends if it is successful. Come on man it’s not difficult. |
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jul 25, 2021 8:56:22 GMT -5
I always get the impression Hasbro is like Jack Daniel's Whiskey makers: professional and organized, you know what you're going to get.
While Mattel is like those backwoods moon shine makers, winging it under the moonlight.
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Post by The Coach on Jul 25, 2021 9:25:57 GMT -5
No, they need to make more of their 30 second sellout exclusives for future releases so that people don’t have to choose between scalper prices or backing the one shot we have at ever producing a crowdfunding campaign. The slaughter figure is a limited exclusive. It’s not intended to be easily attainable. If you weren’t one of the lucky ones, you have the option of not getting it at all. He’s opting to not get the ring set at all. Most people don’t have the luxury of getting everything they want. What’s hard to understand about that? Then y’all can’t complain when this crowdfund fails miserably. Mattel is leaving a TON of money on the table. |
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Post by Chip on Jul 25, 2021 9:36:04 GMT -5
complaining about this thing isnt going to help it any. everyone complaining is just going in circles now.
$250 for a full scale ring, Ultimate figure and amazing entrance piece is NOT a terrible deal. It might be a little more than if each was sold individually, but this is something unique.
There have been a few mistakes along the way here and its unfortunate Mattel did not have the foresight to see them.
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Post by Chip on Jul 25, 2021 9:39:10 GMT -5
also, you dont "crowfund" a $75 piece of entrance stage.
people need to understand this. the REASON this thing is crowfunded is that its expensive to make, so the idea is putting a nice bundle together to get people to spend the money.
I just think the biggest problem with this project is the "tiers"....you don't START a project with tiers. just because Haslab went nuts with the Razor Crest, doesn't mean every crowfunding toy needs to add sh*t for every 1,000 additional people. you're supposed to start with a base, and if you hit that goal then you start putting out bonuses for tiers, adding time, etc.
if they switch halfway through the time this is up and say ok we'll give you Doink and the ringskirts no matter what, I guarantee this thing gets fully backed. should have started with all that from the beginning.
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Post by mperiolat on Jul 25, 2021 10:03:03 GMT -5
Here’s my methodology:
Given the last ring and figure combo was about $100, going up to $250 for the cloth skirts, turnbuckles, details and entrance isn’t a huge ask.
But here’s my problem - this is very era specific. New Generation ran from approximately WrestleMania 8 to Survivor Series 1997. OK, so then to justify something so big, I’ll need figures that fit that era and that era only. The good news is I have a few and some upcoming releases do as well. But the ratio of availability of current to New Generation is unbalanced. I would argue that to support, Mattel should either do a whole New Generation wave or plan a New Generation character in every wave from the ship date of the ring forward at minimum.
Speaking for myself, I’ll sit tight until just before the close date. Want to see if any stretch goals are achieved especially. I’m interested, but not sold. Yet.
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Post by The Real Chillary on Jul 25, 2021 10:30:56 GMT -5
You have no idea why people have decided not to back it. There could be a 1000 different variables. It doesn't automatically equate to "Nobody wants a ring!" We also have absolutely no clue how many people are actually interested in this item. Well I do, because they have backed it. Pretty simple really. |
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jul 25, 2021 10:34:15 GMT -5
So I went to cancel since this isn’t even gonna get close to 5k and guess what? You can’t cancel.
So Mattel is holding my money hostage for a month. Great.
Wouldn’t be so bad if I was actually able to order something I wanted that was supposed to get put up for order/pre order.
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Post by micco on Jul 25, 2021 11:08:24 GMT -5
The slaughter figure is a limited exclusive. It’s not intended to be easily attainable. If you weren’t one of the lucky ones, you have the option of not getting it at all. He’s opting to not get the ring set at all. Most people don’t have the luxury of getting everything they want. What’s hard to understand about that? Then y’all can’t complain when this crowdfund fails miserably. Mattel is leaving a TON of money on the table. That’s true. I backed it but I never thought it would get funded for the same reasons Mattel didn’t think it was safe to put these at retail. Many of the people clamoring for these high end items can’t really afford them. These are the same people who swap out figures and steal accessories. |
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Post by natureboyfauser on Jul 25, 2021 11:12:29 GMT -5
I would pay for the entrance and figures that can enter them.
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Post by kiloinnorcal on Jul 25, 2021 11:13:26 GMT -5
Here’s my methodology: Given the last ring and figure combo was about $100, going up to $250 for the cloth skirts, turnbuckles, details and entrance isn’t a huge ask. But here’s my problem - this is very era specific. New Generation ran from approximately WrestleMania 8 to Survivor Series 1997. OK, so then to justify something so big, I’ll need figures that fit that era and that era only. The good news is I have a few and some upcoming releases do as well. But the ratio of availability of current to New Generation is unbalanced. I would argue that to support, Mattel should either do a whole New Generation wave or plan a New Generation character in every wave from the ship date of the ring forward at minimum. Speaking for myself, I’ll sit tight until just before the close date. Want to see if any stretch goals are achieved especially. I’m interested, but not sold. Yet. Yeah New Generation is affectionately known as the "wrestlecrap" era and was a low point for WWE. I maintain it was an odd choice to introduce the first crowd funding campaign with this era of wrestling. Any other era, with roughly the same stuff, for $250 and I don't think you see this problem. |
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 25, 2021 11:20:41 GMT -5
can we all just buy like 30 of them each so we can get the doink?
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