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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 21:50:27 GMT -5
Yeah, but you can also blame most of that on Mattel. From the start you never should have been charged for something that would be shipped next year, secondly, you shouldn’t tell people you’re changing your stance to now you won’t be charged then the very next day you’re back charging people. Also, if you wanna sale things like this, you also should’ve added a first time in the line UE figure to come with it, like if you had to wait to to get that said guy signed you do that, but a Diesel? And I would love to have another Doink, but I wouldn’t pay $250 just to get it. You add idk, pick 2 from this list Skinner, Jeff Jarrett, Zeus, Barbarian, Brother Love, Jim Cornette, add a blue cage or something , you would likely have a better chance at getting your 5k. And another thing, why have a month to get to 5k? What’s the rush? Let it last throughout the year and see how it does. And to add to it, you should’ve never threw this out there during SDCc when you have all these pre orders, should’ve put this up before Has there been any official statement about the reversal on the charging policy? I'm honestly stunned at the number of people who rejected this because they didn't want to be charged upfront. I mean, obviously it's a real thing because when they changed their stance on it, there was a small rush of backers. But still, I don't see why it's such a big deal. If the funding fails, you get 100% of your money back. I love you. I mean me personally , I’d rather be charged right then. But that’s what some guy on here was going about today, claims he got an email saying that’s what they’re doing. But I have no idea honestly |
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Post by jimfriend on Jul 31, 2021 22:24:21 GMT -5
As it sits, it would need an average of 187 buys a day just to get backed, 283 a day to get Doink. That’s a tall task, and everyday it doesn’t meet that average, that average increases. Also, you’d think the must-buy crowd already have their orders in, and that’s only accounted for roughly 20% of the initial goal, 14% to get doink. I’ve been critical of the project as well, but I’m obviously not against it getting backed. The criticisms are still valid, we can try and put ourselves in the designers shoes and empathize with them but the question still begs: why this project? Of all the things you could have offered to make this work, why this? It seems disingenuous to argue that the consumer needs to buy or else the manufacturer will never offer crowdfunded items again. The manufacturer should be meeting the demands of the consumer, not the other way around. Can’t just give them money and say “hey I didn’t want this but it’s the only way to ensure that maybe you’ll offer something I do want in the future”. Gives too much power to the manufacturer. We should be buying items because we want them, not because we feel like we have to.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jul 31, 2021 22:32:42 GMT -5
I wish they would’ve put an era that was more popular. Imagine a smack down fist stage or raw is war or even a hell in a cell
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Post by viper412 on Jul 31, 2021 22:38:03 GMT -5
it’s too much money and I have no use for a ring that size
If it was the entrance or maybe just the Diesel and Doink I would’ve put up 50-75 bucks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:42:15 GMT -5
The fact you call it "a ring" precisely reminds me of why I'm not backing it: I don't want "the ring" (or the ring skirts, or the figures), I just want the entrance stage; and I'm not gonna pay for what I don't want just to get what I do want. However, if others do and it succeeds then good for them! Maybe one day -- years from now -- I can pick up a used entrance stage.
You DO have a nice podcast voice, btw.
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Post by Billy Snorticus on Jul 31, 2021 22:43:25 GMT -5
it's the coolest thing they've ever made
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Post by kgchampion on Jul 31, 2021 22:45:29 GMT -5
I want it, but I can’t afford it. I would honestly buy 2 of them, but they ran the campaign when I’m graduating college and looking for work. So no bueno for me unless I magically get a job and a first paycheck in the next 3 weeks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:48:20 GMT -5
The fact you call it "a ring" precisely reminds me of why I'm not backing it: I don't want "the ring" (or the ring skirts, or the figures), I just want the entrance stage; and I'm not gonna pay for what I don't want just to get what I do want. However, if others do and it succeeds then good for them! Maybe one day -- years from now -- I can pick up a used entrance stage. You DO have a nice podcast voice, btw. I’m disappointed I didn’t convince you. But I strongly appreciate the compliment! Let me ask you this. If this campaign were to hit the 3500 - 4000 mark… would it change your mind at all? I guess I’m trying to gauge whether being close would maybe add some enticement to people who wouldn’t otherwise back it at its current state. I love you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 22:58:04 GMT -5
The fact you call it "a ring" precisely reminds me of why I'm not backing it: I don't want "the ring" (or the ring skirts, or the figures), I just want the entrance stage; and I'm not gonna pay for what I don't want just to get what I do want. However, if others do and it succeeds then good for them! Maybe one day -- years from now -- I can pick up a used entrance stage. You DO have a nice podcast voice, btw. I’m disappointed I didn’t convince you. But I strongly appreciate the compliment! Let me ask you this. If this campaign were to hit the 3500 - 4000 mark… would it change your mind at all? I guess I’m trying to gauge whether being close would maybe add some enticement to people who wouldn’t otherwise back it at its current state. I love you. That would mean I'd still have to pay $250 where most of that money is going toward things I don't want. So no. I would not under any circumstance pay for $250 for a bunch of stuff I don't want -- I'm already happy with my RINGS (plural), my Doink, and my Diesels (plural). I will not buy another ring that's a different size because that would mean I'd have to buy another blue cage that I already have for my current ring. So I'd have to pay even more in the future! I would, though, consider that Doink. In the new poll that was just created, I chose the entrance + Doink for $100. I may even go $120 for that. That would still be over 50% less money out of my pocket plus I wouldn't have to pay shipping on a giant ring I don't want to fool with at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 23:05:17 GMT -5
I’m disappointed I didn’t convince you. But I strongly appreciate the compliment! Let me ask you this. If this campaign were to hit the 3500 - 4000 mark… would it change your mind at all? I guess I’m trying to gauge whether being close would maybe add some enticement to people who wouldn’t otherwise back it at its current state. I love you. That would mean I'd still have to pay $250 where most of that money is going toward things I don't want. So no. I would not under any circumstance pay for $250 for a bunch of stuff I don't want -- I'm already happy with my RINGS (plural), my Doink, and my Diesels (plural). I will not buy another ring that's a different size because that would mean I'd have to buy another blue cage that I already have for my current ring. So I'd have to pay even more in the future! I would, though, consider that Doink. In the new poll that was just created, I chose the entrance + Doink for $100. I may even go $120 for that. That would still be over 50% less money out of my pocket plus I wouldn't have to pay shipping on a giant ring I don't want to fool with at all. Fair enough. Hindsight is 20/20 obviously, but maybe they would have been better off if they had done some kind of poll or maybe even a focus group to gauge what people were willing to spend WWE-wise and what they would spend it on. I’m still hoping this gets funded. I’m concerned, but hopeful. It may even take some kind of “deus ex machina” type intervention for it to happen though (such as a business buying 1000 of them or something). And of course we do have the final rush that will inevitably come in in the last week. I love you. |
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Post by crush on Jul 31, 2021 23:37:36 GMT -5
Wait.... People are actually upset that they're being charged right now for it?? You gotta be  ing kidding me. Kickstarter says hold my beer. At any rate I backed it day 1. Sad it probably won't come to fruition, that ring was something I've been dreaming of since I was like 6 years old, but alas. It happens. I still have my Jakks scale ring, which is pretty darn close, outside of the saggy ass ring posts. Kickstarter is a weird example to use here since, you know, they only charge once something’s backed. |
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Post by leca on Jul 31, 2021 23:49:50 GMT -5
the first time the neon entrance was used was at Wrestlemania VIII?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2021 23:57:41 GMT -5
Wait.... People are actually upset that they're being charged right now for it?? You gotta be ing kidding me. Kickstarter says hold my beer. At any rate I backed it day 1. Sad it probably won't come to fruition, that ring was something I've been dreaming of since I was like 6 years old, but alas. It happens. I still have my Jakks scale ring, which is pretty darn close, outside of the saggy ass ring posts. Kickstarter is a weird example to use here since, you know, they only charge once something’s backed. Why in the hell did I think kickstarter charged when I pledged? I've backed plenty of projects (ok, literally only board games, but far too many of them) on there, guess I never really noticed when it got charged to my card. (Though I think the most recent things I backed were late pledges so they would have gotten charged right away anyways) |
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 1, 2021 1:34:34 GMT -5
I mean from the off this think has been snake bitten it seems
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Post by peterjp2 on Aug 1, 2021 1:37:08 GMT -5
Yeah, but you can also blame most of that on Mattel. From the start you never should have been charged for something that would be shipped next year, secondly, you shouldn’t tell people you’re changing your stance to now you won’t be charged then the very next day you’re back charging people. Also, if you wanna sale things like this, you also should’ve added a first time in the line UE figure to come with it, like if you had to wait to to get that said guy signed you do that, but a Diesel? And I would love to have another Doink, but I wouldn’t pay $250 just to get it. You add idk, pick 2 from this list Skinner, Jeff Jarrett, Zeus, Barbarian, Brother Love, Jim Cornette, add a blue cage or something , you would likely have a better chance at getting your 5k. And another thing, why have a month to get to 5k? What’s the rush? Let it last throughout the year and see how it does. And to add to it, you should’ve never threw this out there during SDCc when you have all these pre orders, should’ve put this up before Has there been any official statement about the reversal on the charging policy? I'm honestly stunned at the number of people who rejected this because they didn't want to be charged upfront. I mean, obviously it's a real thing because when they changed their stance on it, there was a small rush of backers. But still, I don't see why it's such a big deal. If the funding fails, you get 100% of your money back. I love you. For non US collectors that need to do a currency conversion a refund would actually mean losing money due to time and a difference in the exchange rate. On $250 + taxes + shipping that could be a large loss if that money sits for almost a month only to be refunded (USD $262.95 total to Canada, although I don't see how shipping this heavy item would only cost $13 to Canada). |
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Post by zen411 on Aug 1, 2021 2:01:25 GMT -5
Thanks for making. Well done. I’ve always read your posts here in Brother Love voice. Sadly, this video has now ruined that for me. LOL. Oh well. And with the brother love theme song playing in the background...me too. Ha ha. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 1, 2021 3:16:08 GMT -5
The fact you call it "a ring" precisely reminds me of why I'm not backing it: I don't want "the ring" (or the ring skirts, or the figures), I just want the entrance stage; and I'm not gonna pay for what I don't want just to get what I do want. However, if others do and it succeeds then good for them! Maybe one day -- years from now -- I can pick up a used entrance stage. You DO have a nice podcast voice, btw. I’m disappointed I didn’t convince you. But I strongly appreciate the compliment! Let me ask you this. If this campaign were to hit the 3500 - 4000 mark… would it change your mind at all? I guess I’m trying to gauge whether being close would maybe add some enticement to people who wouldn’t otherwise back it at its current state. I love you. If doink and the skirts were 5k with diesel and it was close, I’d be in. I still don’t think that would be worth $250 personally but at least it would be better and give me enough encouragement along with some weird sense of responsibility to this community to back it. Currently 8k looks almost impossible and I don’t want to back it and get locked in on just Diesel and the ring/entrance. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 3:20:49 GMT -5
No we don't.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 1, 2021 3:30:55 GMT -5
I just don’t believe that. Obviously they’re not a charity but I still think the margin on this thing will be crazy, whatever they say. There’s plenty room to add in some existing talent available with a couple of new headsculpts and deco updates and still make very good money. Even the major pod who were trying to convince people to buy basically talked themselves out of it as it’s not a $250 item even with Doink and the skirts. They could even look at going the other way and adding in more for an extra $30/50 and be more successful (I think that would be greedy personally) but for me, it’s not that $250 is a lot of money…it’s a lot of money for what they’re offering. It’s about Value. Give us value and more people will buy. If they put something up that was $400 but it was stacked with awesome stuff and value for money, I’d back that. This isn’t value, people argue to suggest we don’t know about production, I know a little and I can’t see how they can justify $250 for the plastic bits we’ve been offered so far. Again, I don’t take major pod for gospel at all but when they’re trying to justify it and can’t, that tells you a lot. They definitely do know a bit about production costs. I think you listened to a different MajorPod than I did, because frankly the only one of them who dissented a bit was Mark. Brian and Matt basically were in the “we understand people’s issues, but it should still be backed” camp. As for value, I really don’t think that’s the issue. At retail by themselves, that ring goes for between $100 and $120, Diesel is $30-$35, and the entrance stage would be between $90 and $100. Even if you take the low-end prices (which they wouldn’t sell for) that’s about $220-$230. The bigger issue is that not enough people display/buy rings to justify buying one that size. That’s a big factor in my decision-making. Brian and Mark both said it wasn’t worth $250, Brian said $170-200 max…Matt also agreed before he and he said they know about production costs, also said the ring skirts aren’t value or enough of an incentive, he also said Mattel need to add more products/figures to this to make it value. Matt back tracked a little bit because he’s desperate for this to be successful to open the door to more opportunities. They just backed it anyway because they feel like they have to (Mark did it during the recording even though he said he didn’t think it was worth it) - these guys have to buy it and let’s face it, money is no issue to them. Matt bought 4 didn’t he?! Lol. If you’re a regular listener, you know when they’re hyped on something, they struggled to sell this set to the listener. They want this to get backed because they want the possibles in the future, they don’t want this product. Backing it for that reason is a gamble, what if the next one sucks? Again, it’s fine for those guys but your average collector might end up ‘needing’ to spend $1000 on products before they get the one they really want. Those guys aren’t the bible, they get loads wrong all the time for so called experts, they didn’t even realise the Undertaker UE head sucks and the others are incorrect until it was pointed out to them…but they’re entertaining and good at what they do, they couldn’t sell this item, they didn’t even sound excited, Matt was just desperate for people to spend money on this so he gets more stuff down the road. Certainly at 5k level this is not worth $250, no way. IMO it’s still not at 8K but at least with doink it feels slightly better. It’s not getting to 8K though. |
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Post by Warriah' on Aug 1, 2021 4:04:07 GMT -5
Wait.... People are actually upset that they're being charged right now for it?? You gotta be ing kidding me. Kickstarter says hold my beer. At any rate I backed it day 1. Sad it probably won't come to fruition, that ring was something I've been dreaming of since I was like 6 years old, but alas. It happens. I still have my Jakks scale ring, which is pretty darn close, outside of the saggy ass ring posts. Do you realise that not everyone is from the USA? The bank is going to take a significant fee for currency conversion for anyone abroad. Not to mention that the currency fluctuating means that you could easily lose more when it’s converted back a month later. I don’t care about the fee if it’s backed but I don’t want to particularly lose ~£20-30 for no other reason thanMattel lying to me about when they’ll take payment. |
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