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Post by SteveHulk on Aug 1, 2021 4:29:31 GMT -5
I hope it's successful for you guys, but it's just something I'm not interested in. I wouldn't mind the Diesel figure but that's about it... not really getting all the Doink hype/excitement though.
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wwejunior
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Post by wwejunior on Aug 1, 2021 5:03:17 GMT -5
You sound like Fig Heel from YouTube:-)
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Post by The Real Chillary on Aug 1, 2021 5:22:52 GMT -5
The narative that it's entirely the fans faults, negativity wins etc. needs to stop. Is it an issue? Sure, but a poorly thought out idea is to blame aswell.
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Post by newgenandy on Aug 1, 2021 5:52:26 GMT -5
Not to be contrary but we don’t “have” to back it
There’s a multitude of reasons not to back it, and realistically one reason to back it - because you want it
I hope it’s backed for the people who want it backed but the coercion is not helping
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Post by The Coach on Aug 1, 2021 6:27:43 GMT -5
As it sits, it would need an average of 187 buys a day just to get backed, 283 a day to get Doink. That’s a tall task, and everyday it doesn’t meet that average, that average increases. Also, you’d think the must-buy crowd already have their orders in, and that’s only accounted for roughly 20% of the initial goal, 14% to get doink. I’ve been critical of the project as well, but I’m obviously not against it getting backed. The criticisms are still valid, we can try and put ourselves in the designers shoes and empathize with them but the question still begs: why this project? Of all the things you could have offered to make this work, why this? It seems disingenuous to argue that the consumer needs to buy or else the manufacturer will never offer crowdfunded items again. The manufacturer should be meeting the demands of the consumer, not the other way around. Can’t just give them money and say “hey I didn’t want this but it’s the only way to ensure that maybe you’ll offer something I do want in the future”. Gives too much power to the manufacturer. We should be buying items because we want them, not because we feel like we have to. This. We don’t *need* to back anything. Mattel *needs* to create a better product. I already see the writing on the wall. When this fails, they’ll start pulling back on flashback names in the line, offering less unique pieces and obscure names, and they’ll blame it on this. “Well consumer interest isn’t there.” No, the interest just isn’t there in what you specifically offered. Bill makes oddball decisions based on his own opinions, not consumer wants. |
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Post by LA Times on Aug 1, 2021 7:29:48 GMT -5
@brotherlove I wonder what kind of video you would make if Mattel was offering a Brother Love Show set with a figure as a crowdfunding project, LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2021 7:49:52 GMT -5
Wait.... People are actually upset that they're being charged right now for it?? You gotta be  ing kidding me. Kickstarter says hold my beer. At any rate I backed it day 1. Sad it probably won't come to fruition, that ring was something I've been dreaming of since I was like 6 years old, but alas. It happens. I still have my Jakks scale ring, which is pretty darn close, outside of the saggy ass ring posts. Do you realise that not everyone is from the USA? The bank is going to take a significant fee for currency conversion for anyone abroad. Not to mention that the currency fluctuating means that you could easily lose more when it’s converted back a month later. I don’t care about the fee if it’s backed but I don’t want to particularly lose ~£20-30 for no other reason thanMattel lying to me about when they’ll take payment. I'm Canadian |
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Post by walkingturtles on Aug 1, 2021 8:20:26 GMT -5
I think you listened to a different MajorPod than I did, because frankly the only one of them who dissented a bit was Mark. Brian and Matt basically were in the “we understand people’s issues, but it should still be backed” camp. As for value, I really don’t think that’s the issue. At retail by themselves, that ring goes for between $100 and $120, Diesel is $30-$35, and the entrance stage would be between $90 and $100. Even if you take the low-end prices (which they wouldn’t sell for) that’s about $220-$230. The bigger issue is that not enough people display/buy rings to justify buying one that size. That’s a big factor in my decision-making. Brian and Mark both said it wasn’t worth $250, Brian said $170-200 max…Matt also agreed before he and he said they know about production costs, also said the ring skirts aren’t value or enough of an incentive, he also said Mattel need to add more products/figures to this to make it value. Matt back tracked a little bit because he’s desperate for this to be successful to open the door to more opportunities. They just backed it anyway because they feel like they have to (Mark did it during the recording even though he said he didn’t think it was worth it) - these guys have to buy it and let’s face it, money is no issue to them. Matt bought 4 didn’t he?! Lol. If you’re a regular listener, you know when they’re hyped on something, they struggled to sell this set to the listener. They want this to get backed because they want the possibles in the future, they don’t want this product. Backing it for that reason is a gamble, what if the next one sucks? Again, it’s fine for those guys but your average collector might end up ‘needing’ to spend $1000 on products before they get the one they really want. Those guys aren’t the bible, they get loads wrong all the time for so called experts, they didn’t even realise the Undertaker UE head sucks and the others are incorrect until it was pointed out to them…but they’re entertaining and good at what they do, they couldn’t sell this item, they didn’t even sound excited, Matt was just desperate for people to spend money on this so he gets more stuff down the road. Certainly at 5k level this is not worth $250, no way. IMO it’s still not at 8K but at least with doink it feels slightly better. It’s not getting to 8K though. Are they changing the Undertaker UE head? |
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Post by kennyw86v2 on Aug 1, 2021 8:42:23 GMT -5
This was not made with me in mind, and for the price it is I will certainly not be throwing my support behind it.
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Aug 1, 2021 8:54:20 GMT -5
The problem I have with all of the rhetoric I've seen about what "we" have to do so that "we" can get this project backed is that, however selfish it may come off, I don't collect for other people.
I collect for me.
I don't need Diesel. I don't need Doink. I don't need the entrance stage, and I have no room for a ring. There's exactly no ROI on my $250 without having to put in the legwork to turn around and flip it. That game was fun for a while at the start of the store exclusives campaign, but I simply don't have the energy to put into that sort of endeavor nowadays.
I hate to tell you, but this isn't a team effort. If 5,000 can't see the value for their $250, then exactly none of that falls on me.
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Post by chaz on Aug 1, 2021 9:02:01 GMT -5
The problem I have with all of the rhetoric I've seen about what "we" have to do so that "we" can get this project backed is that, however selfish it may come off, I don't collect for other people. I collect for me. I don't need Diesel. I don't need Doink. I don't need the entrance stage, and I have no room for a ring. There's exactly no ROI on my $250 without having to put in the legwork to turn around and flip it. That game was fun for a while at the start of the store exclusives campaign, but I simply don't have the energy to put into that sort of endeavor nowadays. I hate to tell you, but this isn't a team effort. If 5,000 can't see the value for their $250, then exactly none of that falls on me. Could not be summed up any better. 👏🏻 |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 1, 2021 9:30:14 GMT -5
Brian and Mark both said it wasn’t worth $250, Brian said $170-200 max…Matt also agreed before he and he said they know about production costs, also said the ring skirts aren’t value or enough of an incentive, he also said Mattel need to add more products/figures to this to make it value. Matt back tracked a little bit because he’s desperate for this to be successful to open the door to more opportunities. They just backed it anyway because they feel like they have to (Mark did it during the recording even though he said he didn’t think it was worth it) - these guys have to buy it and let’s face it, money is no issue to them. Matt bought 4 didn’t he?! Lol. If you’re a regular listener, you know when they’re hyped on something, they struggled to sell this set to the listener. They want this to get backed because they want the possibles in the future, they don’t want this product. Backing it for that reason is a gamble, what if the next one sucks? Again, it’s fine for those guys but your average collector might end up ‘needing’ to spend $1000 on products before they get the one they really want. Those guys aren’t the bible, they get loads wrong all the time for so called experts, they didn’t even realise the Undertaker UE head sucks and the others are incorrect until it was pointed out to them…but they’re entertaining and good at what they do, they couldn’t sell this item, they didn’t even sound excited, Matt was just desperate for people to spend money on this so he gets more stuff down the road. Certainly at 5k level this is not worth $250, no way. IMO it’s still not at 8K but at least with doink it feels slightly better. It’s not getting to 8K though. Are they changing the Undertaker UE head? I really hope so…Steve said he wasn’t sure as he hadn’t seen it until Bill had it in hand. Really hope it’s not too late. The other two spare heads aren’t accurate either but as a compromise if they just change the main one to one that represents the time not an 80 year old taker impersonating Michael Jackson, I’d settle for that. |
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Aug 1, 2021 9:39:22 GMT -5
The problem I have with all of the rhetoric I've seen about what "we" have to do so that "we" can get this project backed is that, however selfish it may come off, I don't collect for other people. I collect for me. I don't need Diesel. I don't need Doink. I don't need the entrance stage, and I have no room for a ring. There's exactly no ROI on my $250 without having to put in the legwork to turn around and flip it. That game was fun for a while at the start of the store exclusives campaign, but I simply don't have the energy to put into that sort of endeavor nowadays. I hate to tell you, but this isn't a team effort. If 5,000 can't see the value for their $250, then exactly none of that falls on me. This is a big take 👍🏻 We’ll definitely get the blame if this doesn’t make it and can see Mattel throwing their toys out the buggy and we’ll end up getting fewer flashbacks and legends as a result of their niche project not getting made. Definitely has the feel of a Mattel employee choice for themselves rather than for the masses. To be honest if you can’t get 8k backers, let alone 5k backers it really does speak to the offering, not us as collectors. |
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Post by bababooey on Aug 1, 2021 10:05:35 GMT -5
The problem I have with all of the rhetoric I've seen about what "we" have to do so that "we" can get this project backed is that, however selfish it may come off, I don't collect for other people. I collect for me. I don't need Diesel. I don't need Doink. I don't need the entrance stage, and I have no room for a ring. There's exactly no ROI on my $250 without having to put in the legwork to turn around and flip it. That game was fun for a while at the start of the store exclusives campaign, but I simply don't have the energy to put into that sort of endeavor nowadays. I hate to tell you, but this isn't a team effort. If 5,000 can't see the value for their $250, then exactly none of that falls on me. Exactly! It’s not our job to spend our hard earned money on stuff we don’t want, then have to spend time we don’t have to turn around and flip it. I hope it funds for those that want it, but funding this isn’t my responsibility. I buy and have bought tons of Mattel product and will continue too. The key is that it’s all stuff I wanted to buy. |
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Post by dynamitekido on Aug 1, 2021 10:08:35 GMT -5
Here’s my thing.
I don’t wanna hear this “we need to do this” stuff. Do we really? I’m not even hating on the offering but I loathe that type of thinking. Why do we need to support it? I think the majority of the people here do more than enough to support Mattel. How much MORE do I need to do? Like most, I spend a stupid amount of money on this stuff. I’m not complaining because that’s my personal choice. As primarily a flashback collector, I’m getting a bit tired of jumping thru hoops constantly to get what I want. Then when they bring something like this to the table (which like most, I REALLY want the entrance stage) they do it so goofy and haphazardly that it makes me wanna back off completely.
They can blame us if it doesn’t fund and that’s fine too. But if they pull back on product as “punishment” for this type of thing, then I’ll just spend my money elsewhere. 🤷♂️
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Post by secondwhiteline on Aug 1, 2021 10:11:12 GMT -5
"We have to do it" is the kind of rhetoric you should probably save for an emergency situation.
I hope it does get backed for the people who want it, I really do. But if you're asking people to donate $250 towards a charitable cause you'd probably have better luck if that cause was a charity.
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 1, 2021 10:13:23 GMT -5
We technically don’t, no.
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Post by mikeawesome on Aug 1, 2021 10:17:31 GMT -5
I like my elites I have both elite scale rings i paid $84 for raw and $65 for smackdown they look amazing in my collection I own about 6 ultimates I'm going to stay over here we're I can still afford to buy action figures lol this ring is $250 they put the weakest one out first if this one gets support your gonna get the other rings for the same price it's sweet but I'm good my rings light up I'm happy with that.
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Post by walkingturtles on Aug 1, 2021 10:18:12 GMT -5
As it sits, it would need an average of 187 buys a day just to get backed, 283 a day to get Doink. That’s a tall task, and everyday it doesn’t meet that average, that average increases. Also, you’d think the must-buy crowd already have their orders in, and that’s only accounted for roughly 20% of the initial goal, 14% to get doink. I’ve been critical of the project as well, but I’m obviously not against it getting backed. The criticisms are still valid, we can try and put ourselves in the designers shoes and empathize with them but the question still begs: why this project? Of all the things you could have offered to make this work, why this? It seems disingenuous to argue that the consumer needs to buy or else the manufacturer will never offer crowdfunded items again. The manufacturer should be meeting the demands of the consumer, not the other way around. Can’t just give them money and say “hey I didn’t want this but it’s the only way to ensure that maybe you’ll offer something I do want in the future”. Gives too much power to the manufacturer. We should be buying items because we want them, not because we feel like we have to. This. We don’t *need* to back anything. Mattel *needs* to create a better product. I already see the writing on the wall. When this fails, they’ll start pulling back on flashback names in the line, offering less unique pieces and obscure names, and they’ll blame it on this. “Well consumer interest isn’t there.” No, the interest just isn’t there in what you specifically offered. Bill makes oddball decisions based on his own opinions, not consumer wants. This in a nutshell. Bill designs for his wants, not so much anything else. Time to stop enabling him. This crowdfunding blowing up in his face is a start. |
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Post by cableV on Aug 1, 2021 10:21:11 GMT -5
I agree with you and I hope you don't mind that I read this part with a Russian accent   |
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I dont know good luck 
