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Post by marino13 on Sept 28, 2021 10:11:13 GMT -5
Meh, I'm having a blast and I think the figures now are better than ever.
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Post by ChuckPOORis55 Cody Gang 4 Lyfe on Sept 28, 2021 10:16:38 GMT -5
Mattel would make all of those names if they were able to...It has nothing to do with hype and everything to do with who WWE decides to sign to a Legends deal. This is my concern as WWE dont seem to be putting any money into this lately the line is destined to dry up with no new talent to make. Feels like we will get multiple Macho Man Warrior and Hogan until line ends. What I find funny is that you mention we'd get Warriors, Hogans and Machos but we still probably wouldn't get the Mega Powers 2 pack people have been begging for. My biggest gripe with Mattel is their use of the excuse "well we want to make the guys you want us to but WWE won't sign them" while completely ignoring all the people they have under contract and don't make attires of that people want.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 28, 2021 11:07:37 GMT -5
I’m just hoping with the Owen news, it makes WWE realise they’re leaving money on the table for Jazwares if they don’t sign up other legends (I know they couldn’t sign Owen but the size of the news will hopefully wake them up to others currently not under a deal).
Hopefully WWE now go on a signing spree and give Mattel more to work with. If not, I suspect Jazwares will sign them and we’ll get them via that route. I’d rather they come from Mattel but if we get them through Jazwares through WWE not signing up talent then so be it. They’re in scale so if that’s what we have to do then it is what it is.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 28, 2021 11:20:28 GMT -5
I've been in this same head space for at least a year or two. There's just not much released that I *need* to have. There have been a few real stunning figures - UE Hogan and Macho. But most of it just feels like rehashing the same content and characters.
At one point I followed NXT closely and would buy everything from NXT and some select main roster figures. But I don't watch any WWE product beyond a match here or there, so the modern roster has zero appeal for me.
Ironically the entrance stage is quite possible my favorite figure item ever, and I felt so energized coming out of the crowd funding campaign. But the figures released just aren't hitting that same kind of feeling. I've gone from buying 2-3 figures in every wave to not even really paying attention to what is coming in the next few waves. And even when I do see something I want, like the recent Trish or Candice LeRae, the execution on the figures has been...bad.
At this point most of my buying is going into the AEW line or Micro Brawlers. And I honestly don't see anything that Mattel can/will do that is going to bring my dollars back at this point.
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Post by oldschoolfool on Sept 28, 2021 11:22:14 GMT -5
Not being able to get Brutus as well as waves of legends I dont want or already have has lowered my interest a bit. Not a big deal tho
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Sept 28, 2021 11:43:10 GMT -5
I’ve kinda accepted that the period of time I want them to dig really deep into (1999-2006) is just going to get the top names in Wrestlemania and Summerslam attires, and maybe if I’m lucky they’ll make a figure or two in the Royal Rumble or Survivor Series sets.
We can’t even get an RA Shawn Michaels, how am I ever going to get Carlito and Crash Holly?
The figures themselves are probably better than any other period (although I did very much enjoy Year 1 where they blew the budget on cloth accessories) but I just don’t care. I go to Target and I see the same Roman Reigns in three different boxes and months old basics.
I know AEW value me as a customer because customer service is still their lifeline, so I don’t mind paying premium for them or even beyond premium to track down chases. I don’t feel that way about WWE.
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Post by wrestlingfigsIreland on Sept 28, 2021 13:03:46 GMT -5
Some really interesting points coming through here already its great to see and hear why people either still love the series or have stopped.
Current wwe product im sure is a factor for current day guys but wwe have really reduced their ties to the past. Any legends shows on RAW and Smackdown seem to have same guys each time which again translates to what is being released.
AFA and Bill do need to take more note of what the community wants in terms of attires seen so many posts about the Mega Powers im sure it will come out but will take some time. The UE Kane and Undertaker are also a little underwhelming attire choices were a little strange.
Distribution seems to peoples major gripe even more so during pandemic. Being an overseas collector shipping and customs charges drive prices up for us here as stores don't stock most series.
Hope things do get better. I did see there will be reveals soon on wwe.com although I think it was elite 89 which just leaked
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Post by newgenandy on Sept 28, 2021 13:59:31 GMT -5
Wwe are a business, their number 1 priority is making a profit for them and shareholders and they’re doing record business financial wise
Wrestling figures is a small % of that - legends figures an even smaller part
Wwe’s priority is promoting current talent for upcoming ppv, tv shows and live events.
It’s not hard to understand why they are not interested in wasting time and money for crash holly when their return on it will be in real terms minuscule and they concentrate on big time legends.
Austin shirts and figures prob bring in what 10 other ‘legends’ would combined, keeping those theoretical 10 legends on the books costs both time and money - why bother?
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Post by LA Times on Sept 28, 2021 14:08:20 GMT -5
I’m just hoping with the Owen news, it makes WWE realise they’re leaving money on the table for Jazwares if they don’t sign up other legends (I know they couldn’t sign Owen but the size of the news will hopefully wake them up to others currently not under a deal). Hopefully WWE now go on a signing spree and give Mattel more to work with. If not, I suspect Jazwares will sign them and we’ll get them via that route. I’d rather they come from Mattel but if we get them through Jazwares through WWE not signing up talent then so be it. They’re in scale so if that’s what we have to do then it is what it is. Its not what it is. Jazwares is giving fans what they want and their UFC line is outselling both Mattel WWE and Unrivaled.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Sept 28, 2021 14:14:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't call wrestling figures a small percentage, because it probably constitutes a good amount of the money they make on merchandise and licensing. It's just that they make a lot on the entire line, and not on individual figure choices.
I think that they tend to sign Legends that they can do a lot with, agreed with that. They're not going to sign someone just for a figure. They're going to sign them for figures and t-shirts and roster slots in video games and talking head appearances on documentaries, and a million other potential avenues where they can add value to products.
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Post by East Coast on Sept 28, 2021 14:17:50 GMT -5
thats cuz they already got all the big names. The only ones of interest left are ppl that didn't really wrestle in WWE and would never sign a legends deal. Sabu, Bruiser Brody, Great Muta etc.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Sept 28, 2021 14:24:59 GMT -5
I haven’t bought an elite in so long. I think my first one back will be 92 rvd
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Post by Biff Slamkovich™ on Sept 28, 2021 14:48:18 GMT -5
With AEW now having the rights to Owen, you'd think that other legends who have been blacklisted by WWE would form a business relationship with AEW to get those merchandise deals and royalties, but only time will tell. This could open the door for some talent to contact AEW or vice versa. I'm sure Jeremy wants a strong legends offering within the Unrivaled or Unmatched lines.
As for the Mattel WWE line, my hype has definitely faded out over the last year. With less big name legends to make, and the current roster just not being interesting to me, I've found myself with less to purchase. AEW has fully captured my attention as a wrestling fan, and now as a collector.
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Post by Ministry of Darkness on Sept 28, 2021 14:54:31 GMT -5
Mattel can't sign new legends to deals so the only way forward is repaints after repaints from them. I'm excited to see who Jeremy can sign knowing he signs legends independently. 👍
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Post by jacobl18 on Sept 28, 2021 15:13:07 GMT -5
The reason we don’t have more legends figures is because WWE is adamant that everyone must be signed to a legends deal when it shouldn’t be that way. A legends deal should only be for popular wrestlers that sell multiple merchandise.
I’ve proposed before on here that WWE & Mattel should find a way to sign legends to just an action figure deal. Mike Shaw who played Bastion Booger in WWF has since passed away so he can’t make appearances and nobody is gonna buy a BB T-shirt....But omg a BB elite would be amazing for collectors.
So why is it so difficult to contact his family and ask if they would like a action figure made of their father, Grandfather...ect. Why would his kids say no....It would be a way to honor their father. You could probably get them to agree to it for free or a couple grand at best.
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Post by stc13 on Sept 28, 2021 15:24:19 GMT -5
The reason we don’t have more legends figures is because WWE is adamant that everyone must be signed to a legends deal when it shouldn’t be that way. A legends deal should only be for popular wrestlers that sell multiple merchandise. I’ve proposed before on here that WWE & Mattel should find a way to sign legends to just an action figure deal. Mike Shaw who played Bastion Booger in WWF has since passed away so he can’t make appearances and nobody is gonna buy a BB T-shirt....But omg a BB elite would be amazing for collectors. So why is it so difficult to contact his family and ask if they would like a action figure made of their father, Grandfather...ect. Why would his kids say no....It would be a way to honor their father. You could probably get them to agree to it for free or a couple grand at best. I've made this point before, but I'd all but guarantee that it takes two to tango. Working through Legends deals is financially beneficial for WWE and for Mattel. There are very few true non-negotiables in business. If Mattel absolutely insisted that they have the ability to sign talent directly, I'm sure it could be negotiated in their next contract. But they see this route as the most profitable, regardless of how collectors feel about it. Time will tell if there's a market that AEW/Jazwares can take advantage of, and what or how much impact that has on Mattel's market share.
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Post by crush on Sept 28, 2021 15:46:36 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good points in this thread, but I think the biggest issue (as a couple of others have pointed out) is the current WWE product. Between the roster cuts, the teardown of NXT that began with the misguided attempt to program it against AEW, and a lot of piss-poor (IMO) booking, interest in the current roster is at an all-time low IMO (despite the fact that many of them are exceptionally talented, but that's another topic). That makes it hard to get excited for a majority of most lineups, and in-turn puts more "pressure" on Legends/Flashback figures to carry more interest in the line than they're designed to. Plus, it makes reveals harder and feel a bit more anticlimactic.
*Obviously, this is me generalizing a bit, and I know not everyone feels the same.*
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Post by WCWThunderRosa on Sept 28, 2021 17:34:11 GMT -5
I should also add that they really shot themselves in the foot with SDCC this year. Between the GI Joe Slaughter selling out immediately, the Adam Cole we’ll never get, and the poor start to the New Gen ring, they really missed the mark this year.
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Post by AttitudeLegendCollector on Sept 28, 2021 17:47:21 GMT -5
I’m just hoping with the Owen news, it makes WWE realise they’re leaving money on the table for Jazwares if they don’t sign up other legends (I know they couldn’t sign Owen but the size of the news will hopefully wake them up to others currently not under a deal). Hopefully WWE now go on a signing spree and give Mattel more to work with. If not, I suspect Jazwares will sign them and we’ll get them via that route. I’d rather they come from Mattel but if we get them through Jazwares through WWE not signing up talent then so be it. They’re in scale so if that’s what we have to do then it is what it is. Its not what it is. Jazwares is giving fans what they want and their UFC line is outselling both Mattel WWE and Unrivaled. Not sure the point you’re making here…all I meant was that for me, I’d rather Mattel produce the guys I need as I’d rather my collection be uniform but if that’s not possible, the good thing these days is other companies (Jazwares) are in scale so having them in amongst my Mattels to fill gaps of legends WWE don’t let Mattel make would still be more than good enough.
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Post by xtremebadass on Sept 28, 2021 18:31:41 GMT -5
For me, it boils down to WWE in general.
My interest in buying any sort of merch is birthed from the company itself. The quality of their shows, booking decisions, the amount of folks they've fired, their blatant laziness across the board, PEACOCK, Saudi Arabia deals, the list goes on and on.
I don't feel like buying anything WWE-related because of that. I do still enjoy seeing what new figures are coming down the pipeline. But for every 30 reveals, I might be open to buying 1 figure.
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