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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 9:18:53 GMT -5
Not surprising though that the Rockers got ignored haha. They are arguably one of the most popular Tag Teams of all time, I would put them in the top 10 all time tags, and for me definitely top 5 personally. This is a team that never won the Tag Titles (technically) and were never….NEVER featured in a single video game TO THIS DAY! How is that even possible? I think they have maybe 3 sets of figures as a complete tag team, in the history of wrestling toys haha. They are easily one of the most ignored properties of all time in wrestling, and they weren’t a team for 2 months, they were a team for YEARS haha. And they were over for years!
I gotta rant on the Rockers when I get the chance because it’s outrageous that they were so successful and given very little attention. This is a team that when they broke up, to this day it’s one of the most memorable moments in wrestling. That doesn’t happen unless you care about BOTH guys. Everybody pokes fun about Jannetty now but at the time they were both on equal footing.
Ok Rockers rant over lol, back on topic. 👍
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 3, 2021 9:19:07 GMT -5
Another one I would have liked to have seen was Perfect vs Flair at WM9. Hold off giving switching the WWF Title from Flair to Bret for a big PPV (RR93). Have Bret replace Warrior on the house shows vs Flair. Then have Macho select Bret as his new partner for Survivor Series keeping Perfect as the Executive Consultant to Flair. Bret gets the win over Flair in the Survivor Series match. For the next few weeks Flair and Brain blame Perfect for the loss, eventually Perfect turns baby face. Flair then faces Bret at the Royal Rumble in 1993, Bobby Heenan tries to interfere but Perfect stops him which leads to Flair losing the match and the title to Bret. Flair comes back later in the show and causes Perfect to be eliminated from the Royal Rumble costing him a shot at the title. Then between RR93 and WM9 Flair and Perfect and Brain set up the Loser Leaves Town Match at WM9. Mr. Perfect then beats Flair at WM9. You can also have Lex Luger face Bob Backlund at WM9, giving him a more decisive victory. And I would also have Razor Ramon face Randy Savage. I think having a semi-long chase for the belt would have helped Bret out during his first run as champion, and getting the victory on a big PPV would have been great. And this way we get Flair/Perfect and Macho/Razor at WM9. We never got a blow-off match to the Macho/Razor feud and this could have been the place to do that.
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 3, 2021 9:22:15 GMT -5
Not surprising though that the Rockers got ignored haha. They are arguably one of the most popular Tag Teams of all time, I would put them in the top 10 all time tags, and for me definitely top 5 personally. This is a team that never won the Tag Titles (technically) and were never….NEVER featured in a single video game TO THIS DAY! How is that even possible? I think they have maybe 3 sets of figures as a complete tag team, in the history of wrestling toys haha. They are easily one of the most ignored properties of all time in wrestling, and they weren’t a team for 2 months, they were a team for YEARS haha. And they were over for years! I gotta rant on the Rockers when I get the chance because it’s outrageous that they were so successful and given very little attention. This is a team that when they broke up, to this day it’s one of the most memorable moments in wrestling. That doesn’t happen unless you care about BOTH guys. Everybody pokes fun about Jannetty now but at the time they were both on equal footing. Ok Rockers rant over lol, back on topic. 👍 I always loved the Rockers. One of my top 5 tag teams as well. I think they could have given the Rockers a run at the tag team titles. Have the Hart Foundation drop the tag titles to them at RR91, then have the Rockers drop the tag titles to P&G or the Nasty Boys at WM7 or the SNME after WM7. And we definitely need more Rocker figures from Mattel. |
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Post by Scott! on Dec 3, 2021 9:24:03 GMT -5
I'd have preferred the Undertaker/Angle match at Wrestlemania 22. Didn't have to be for the World title, but just give me it at 'Mania. Orton/Rey should have been a singles match at that years event for the World Title. Kurt essentially played hardly any part in the story and just felt kind of there for the sake of it. As much as I like Mark Henry, I'd have just booted him from the card for the purpose of having those two matches.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 3, 2021 9:25:51 GMT -5
WM 1 Remove Mr T and Paul Orndorff - Hogan v Piper Hogan vs Piper on paper is so much better of a match and we should have definitely gotten it at a Mania at some point (maybe 2) but on a business side I think you had to have that star power of Mr. T there to make it work. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -5
Not surprising though that the Rockers got ignored haha. They are arguably one of the most popular Tag Teams of all time, I would put them in the top 10 all time tags, and for me definitely top 5 personally. This is a team that never won the Tag Titles (technically) and were never….NEVER featured in a single video game TO THIS DAY! How is that even possible? I think they have maybe 3 sets of figures as a complete tag team, in the history of wrestling toys haha. They are easily one of the most ignored properties of all time in wrestling, and they weren’t a team for 2 months, they were a team for YEARS haha. And they were over for years! I gotta rant on the Rockers when I get the chance because it’s outrageous that they were so successful and given very little attention. This is a team that when they broke up, to this day it’s one of the most memorable moments in wrestling. That doesn’t happen unless you care about BOTH guys. Everybody pokes fun about Jannetty now but at the time they were both on equal footing. Ok Rockers rant over lol, back on topic. 👍 I always loved the Rockers. One of my top 5 tag teams as well. I think they could have given the Rockers a run at the tag team titles. Have the Hart Foundation drop the tag titles to them at RR91, then have the Rockers drop the tag titles to P&G or the Nasty Boys at WM7 or the SNME after WM7. And we definitely need more Rocker figures from Mattel. It’s outrageous to think about the fact that they’ve only had 3 sets of WWF figures, and 2 of them are wearing the same gear! lol, of all the gear they’ve worn, I’d kill for some of those other attires made into figs, My God they had so many. I’d be happy with Mattel recreating the WM6 gear Jakks did, that’s one of my favorites. But yea, as far as tag teams go, they are up there, they were far too successful to be ignored like they are. And it isn’t a case of the Blade Runners where yea Sting & Warrior we’re a tag team, but their success came later. They are retroactively an incredible tag but at the time, nobody cared too much. The Rockers career as a team and Shawn Michaels as a singles are 2 superset entities. They had their own success as a tag and then Shawn had made his own success as a singles. But coming off the Rockers, if you had told me that the Rockers was as good as Michaels would get, I would’ve believed it. They were good and how many guys really came out of a successful tag team at that time and became a great singles wrestler? Can you imagine Animal wrestling without Hawk? It was hard to do, they were synonymous. Had somebody bought you an Animal toy at that time without Hawk, I would’ve looked at them like, what the hell am I supposed to do with this!? It’s incomplete lol…But anyway, I’m going into a Rockers rant again…lol. Another one I would have liked to have seen was Perfect vs Flair at WM9. Hold off giving switching the WWF Title from Flair to Bret for a big PPV (RR93). Have Bret replace Warrior on the house shows vs Flair. Then have Macho select Bret as his new partner for Survivor Series keeping Perfect as the Executive Consultant to Flair. Bret gets the win over Flair in the Survivor Series match. For the next few weeks Flair and Brain blame Perfect for the loss, eventually Perfect turns baby face. Flair then faces Bret at the Royal Rumble in 1993, Bobby Heenan tries to interfere but Perfect stops him which leads to Flair losing the match and the title to Bret. Flair comes back later in the show and causes Perfect to be eliminated from the Royal Rumble costing him a shot at the title. Then between RR93 and WM9 Flair and Perfect and Brain set up the Loser Leaves Town Match at WM9. Mr. Perfect then beats Flair at WM9. You can also have Lex Luger face Bob Backlund at WM9, giving him a more decisive victory. And I would also have Razor Ramon face Randy Savage. I think having a semi-long chase for the belt would have helped Bret out during his first run as champion, and getting the victory on a big PPV would have been great. And this way we get Flair/Perfect and Macho/Razor at WM9. We never got a blow-off match to the Macho/Razor feud and this could have been the place to do that. In retrospect, It’s surprising that WWF didn’t extend Flairs contract to WrestleMania. I can’t imagine he would’ve said no and they could have used the star power at 9 for sure, as much as I love that Mania it’s mostly the visual that adds to it haha. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 9:58:18 GMT -5
WM 1 Remove Mr T and Paul Orndorff - Hogan v Piper Hogan vs Piper on paper is so much better of a match and we should have definitely gotten it at a Mania at some point (maybe 2) but on a business side I think you had to have that star power of Mr. T there to make it work. WrestleMania 1 would have DEFINITELY been a bigger deal for me had it not been garnished by the tag partners. There was a VERY easy avenue to incorporate Mr T into that show and it would have been, Piper has been having Mr Wonderful and Orton watching his back….Mr T will watch Hogans. Then you have them get into a scuffle for the papers and Mr T takes out Orton & Wonderful to set up the clean finish for Piper/ Hogan. That would have been a much more effective use of Mr T for me rather than having him in the ring with the likes of Piper, who I would have never had him touch. That match needed to be Hogan/ Piper, I agree so much. |
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Post by TheSystem 1.5 on Dec 3, 2021 10:00:01 GMT -5
Instead of Taker vs. Bundy, make it Taker vs. just about anyone  ing else Thing is, if you look at the early 95 roster, not many other options left. IRS maybe? Bam Bam would make sense but you’d lose an opponent for LT. Could have maybe bumped up the fief with Kama. Tatanka? Don’t think that would have worked well either. What I would have done is turned Luger. Finally breaks down and takes the money. Sure Lex sucked but I’m sure he could have had a decent match with the deadman. Then you could have had Bulldog take on Kama or Tatanka. IRS and Volkoff are like the only two people on the roster at that point that could possibly do worse. Tatanka or Kama would be perfect. Sid would’ve worked too. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 10:23:46 GMT -5
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 3, 2021 10:29:26 GMT -5
WM 2 Replace George Steele with Tito Santana - Savage v Santana WM 3 Remove Danny Davis and Tito Santana - Hart Foundation v Bulldogs WM 4 Replace Valentine with Steamboat - Steamboat v Savage WM 6 Replace Jimmy Snuka with Roddy Piper - Rude v Piper WM 7 Replace Haku and the Barbarian with Power & Glory - The Rockers v P&G I really like these, especially Piper v Rude at WM6 and Santana v Savage at WM2. Piper and Rude never really got a blow-off to their feud in 1989, a match at WM6 would have been great. Rude could have cheated to win, keeping Piper strong and giving Rude the big win before going into a feud with the Warrior for the WWF title. I also like the Savage/Santana match for WM2, they could have saved the Savage/Steele feud for Superstars, Challenge, and SNME's, and I think Tito and Savage could have had an amazing match at WM. I also like the addition of the Rockers v P&G at WM. They too never got a blow-off to their feud and we never really saw Shawn get his revenge on them for their attack on him at SSL90. Thanks man. Hope you didn’t mind me ‘borrowing’ your Steamboat idea? I didn’t become a fan until 92, so I sometimes miss the point of what was going on at the time, but Steele was never a good fit for Savage IMO. The Animal never did it for me. Tito was an ex champ and handy in the ring so a much better fit. And like the majority on this board, I would have loved for P&G to have had a much better run in the WWF. A losing effort (or better still a win) against the Rockers in an even fought match would have set them up for a more competitive feud with LOD. Would happily swap the Natural Disasters for Power & Glory in the feud later that year. |
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Post by nibs92 on Dec 3, 2021 10:34:47 GMT -5
WM 1 Remove Mr T and Paul Orndorff - Hogan v Piper Hogan vs Piper on paper is so much better of a match and we should have definitely gotten it at a Mania at some point (maybe 2) but on a business side I think you had to have that star power of Mr. T there to make it work. I agree, including Mr T in the main event ranks up there as one of the smartest business decisions Vince ever made. But creatively I could live without him being there. |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 3, 2021 10:56:32 GMT -5
I always loved the Rockers. One of my top 5 tag teams as well. I think they could have given the Rockers a run at the tag team titles. Have the Hart Foundation drop the tag titles to them at RR91, then have the Rockers drop the tag titles to P&G or the Nasty Boys at WM7 or the SNME after WM7. And we definitely need more Rocker figures from Mattel. It’s outrageous to think about the fact that they’ve only had 3 sets of WWF figures, and 2 of them are wearing the same gear! lol, of all the gear they’ve worn, I’d kill for some of those other attires made into figs, My God they had so many. I’d be happy with Mattel recreating the WM6 gear Jakks did, that’s one of my favorites. But yea, as far as tag teams go, they are up there, they were far too successful to be ignored like they are. And it isn’t a case of the Blade Runners where yea Sting & Warrior we’re a tag team, but their success came later. They are retroactively an incredible tag but at the time, nobody cared too much. The Rockers career as a team and Shawn Michaels as a singles are 2 superset entities. They had their own success as a tag and then Shawn had made his own success as a singles. But coming off the Rockers, if you had told me that the Rockers was as good as Michaels would get, I would’ve believed it. They were good and how many guys really came out of a successful tag team at that time and became a great singles wrestler? Can you imagine Animal wrestling without Hawk? It was hard to do, they were synonymous. Had somebody bought you an Animal toy at that time without Hawk, I would’ve looked at them like, what the hell am I supposed to do with this!? It’s incomplete lol…But anyway, I’m going into a Rockers rant again…lol. Yeah, I would definitely like more Rocker figures. WM6 and Survivor Series 91 are my top wants of theirs. Don't know why but Survivor Series 91 is my favorite attire of theirs. Also wouldn't mind seeing their Survivor Series 90 and Royal Rumble 91 attires too. And we need a matching Marty from Summer Slam 90 to go with the retrofest Shawn. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 11:32:39 GMT -5
It’s outrageous to think about the fact that they’ve only had 3 sets of WWF figures, and 2 of them are wearing the same gear! lol, of all the gear they’ve worn, I’d kill for some of those other attires made into figs, My God they had so many. I’d be happy with Mattel recreating the WM6 gear Jakks did, that’s one of my favorites. But yea, as far as tag teams go, they are up there, they were far too successful to be ignored like they are. And it isn’t a case of the Blade Runners where yea Sting & Warrior we’re a tag team, but their success came later. They are retroactively an incredible tag but at the time, nobody cared too much. The Rockers career as a team and Shawn Michaels as a singles are 2 superset entities. They had their own success as a tag and then Shawn had made his own success as a singles. But coming off the Rockers, if you had told me that the Rockers was as good as Michaels would get, I would’ve believed it. They were good and how many guys really came out of a successful tag team at that time and became a great singles wrestler? Can you imagine Animal wrestling without Hawk? It was hard to do, they were synonymous. Had somebody bought you an Animal toy at that time without Hawk, I would’ve looked at them like, what the hell am I supposed to do with this!? It’s incomplete lol…But anyway, I’m going into a Rockers rant again…lol. Yeah, I would definitely like more Rocker figures. WM6 and Survivor Series 91 are my top wants of theirs. Don't know why but Survivor Series 91 is my favorite attire of theirs. Also wouldn't mind seeing their Survivor Series 90 and Royal Rumble 91 attires too. And we need a matching Marty from Summer Slam 90 to go with the retrofest Shawn. Hasbro made the Jannetty back in the day from the Rumble ‘91 , but it was after they broke up the Rockers so it was just Marty. I’d love those too. I too like the Survivor Series ‘91 attires but I always associate those and the black with The Rockers going bad haha, it was like foretelling. Michaels started being a prick at that show….BUT, I do love the black! They look cool. I want the WrestleMania 7 ones. They would look awesome done as Elites. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 11:41:18 GMT -5
I really like these, especially Piper v Rude at WM6 and Santana v Savage at WM2. Piper and Rude never really got a blow-off to their feud in 1989, a match at WM6 would have been great. Rude could have cheated to win, keeping Piper strong and giving Rude the big win before going into a feud with the Warrior for the WWF title. I also like the Savage/Santana match for WM2, they could have saved the Savage/Steele feud for Superstars, Challenge, and SNME's, and I think Tito and Savage could have had an amazing match at WM. I also like the addition of the Rockers v P&G at WM. They too never got a blow-off to their feud and we never really saw Shawn get his revenge on them for their attack on him at SSL90. Thanks man. Hope you didn’t mind me ‘borrowing’ your Steamboat idea? I didn’t become a fan until 92, so I sometimes miss the point of what was going on at the time, but Steele was never a good fit for Savage IMO. The Animal never did it for me. Tito was an ex champ and handy in the ring so a much better fit. And like the majority on this board, I would have loved for P&G to have had a much better run in the WWF. A losing effort (or better still a win) against the Rockers in an even fought match would have set them up for a more competitive feud with LOD. Would happily swap the Natural Disasters for Power & Glory in the feud later that year. If I’m not mistaken The whole George Steel/ Savage feud centered around Elizabeth in like a Beauty and the Beast angle. That was a bit before my time too though and I am not a huge George Steel fan either haha. I would scrap all of WrestleMania 2 honestly, I’d rebook the entire show haha. I hated the 3 locations, I didn’t like the main event. I would have pushed the Mr Wonderful/ Hogan feud up and started it coming off the heels of the 1st Mania, and had that be the main event of WrestleMania 2 inside the cage. To this day I can’t tell you how Buddy & Hogan even got into a WrestleMania together haha. What was the angle there? I’ve never seen anything on it outside of the match itself |
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Post by MKSavage on Dec 3, 2021 12:46:35 GMT -5
Thanks man. Hope you didn’t mind me ‘borrowing’ your Steamboat idea? I didn’t become a fan until 92, so I sometimes miss the point of what was going on at the time, but Steele was never a good fit for Savage IMO. The Animal never did it for me. Tito was an ex champ and handy in the ring so a much better fit. And like the majority on this board, I would have loved for P&G to have had a much better run in the WWF. A losing effort (or better still a win) against the Rockers in an even fought match would have set them up for a more competitive feud with LOD. Would happily swap the Natural Disasters for Power & Glory in the feud later that year. If I’m not mistaken The whole George Steel/ Savage feud centered around Elizabeth in like a Beauty and the Beast angle. That was a bit before my time too though and I am not a huge George Steel fan either haha. I would scrap all of WrestleMania 2 honestly, I’d rebook the entire show haha. I hated the 3 locations, I didn’t like the main event. I would have pushed the Mr Wonderful/ Hogan feud up and started it coming off the heels of the 1st Mania, and had that be the main event of WrestleMania 2 inside the cage. To this day I can’t tell you how Buddy & Hogan even got into a WrestleMania together haha. What was the angle there? I’ve never seen anything on it outside of the match itself Bundy and Hogan got put together because Heenan had sent Studd and Bundy to hurt Andre, Hogan teamed with Andre against them on a few occasions. To set up the WM2 match, King Kong Bundy splashed Hogan numerous times hurting his ribs, the WM2 match was the blow-off match for the feud. I think the reason they went with Bundy is because of his size and mobility at the time. They really liked pitting Hogan against monsters. I agree with you, if they could have moved the Orndorff feud up a bit to have their first match at WM2, that would have been great. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 3, 2021 14:03:40 GMT -5
I remember the story for Wrestlemania 2 was going to be Ricky Steamboat vs. Bret Hart, so I will say replace Hercules with Hart to have Steamboat vs. Bret at the Wrestlemania 2 show!
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 14:13:08 GMT -5
If I’m not mistaken The whole George Steel/ Savage feud centered around Elizabeth in like a Beauty and the Beast angle. That was a bit before my time too though and I am not a huge George Steel fan either haha. I would scrap all of WrestleMania 2 honestly, I’d rebook the entire show haha. I hated the 3 locations, I didn’t like the main event. I would have pushed the Mr Wonderful/ Hogan feud up and started it coming off the heels of the 1st Mania, and had that be the main event of WrestleMania 2 inside the cage. To this day I can’t tell you how Buddy & Hogan even got into a WrestleMania together haha. What was the angle there? I’ve never seen anything on it outside of the match itself Bundy and Hogan got put together because Heenan had sent Studd and Bundy to hurt Andre, Hogan teamed with Andre against them on a few occasions. To set up the WM2 match, King Kong Bundy splashed Hogan numerous times hurting his ribs, the WM2 match was the blow-off match for the feud. I think the reason they went with Bundy is because of his size and mobility at the time. They really liked pitting Hogan against monsters. I agree with you, if they could have moved the Orndorff feud up a bit to have their first match at WM2, that would have been great. Oh ok wow, I never knew all that! haha Like I said, outside of the match itself, I never even SEEN anything on that angle. I think of Bundy more from WrestleMania 11 than 2 honestly haha. Andres another guy, I know he had the body slam match with Studd but I can’t even place him in feuds before the Hogan one at WM3. That’s a pretty interesting angle though, I like that. |
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 14:14:58 GMT -5
I remember the story for Wrestlemania 2 was going to be Ricky Steamboat vs. Bret Hart, so I will say replace Hercules with Hart to have Steamboat vs. Bret at the Wrestlemania 2 show! Have Steamboat and Hart ever wrestled?? I can’t think of a single match That’s a damn shame that didn’t happen, especially because WM2 in my opinion lacks any sort of memorable moment haha. |
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 3, 2021 14:42:10 GMT -5
I remember the story for Wrestlemania 2 was going to be Ricky Steamboat vs. Bret Hart, so I will say replace Hercules with Hart to have Steamboat vs. Bret at the Wrestlemania 2 show! Have Steamboat and Hart ever wrestled?? I can’t think of a single match That’s a damn shame that didn’t happen, especially because WM2 in my opinion lacks any sort of memorable moment haha.
Yes they have. It's on the Hart Foundation coliseum video VHS tape and on the first Bret Hart 3 disc DVD set that came out in 2005. The match took place at the Boston Gardens. It was in February of 1986, they wrestled to get a feel for each other for the Wrestlemania match they were supposed to have.
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Post by Ohtimate Wahriah on Dec 3, 2021 15:04:03 GMT -5
Have Steamboat and Hart ever wrestled?? I can’t think of a single match That’s a damn shame that didn’t happen, especially because WM2 in my opinion lacks any sort of memorable moment haha. Yes they have. It's on the Hart Foundation coliseum video VHS tape and on the first Bret Hart 3 disc DVD set that came out in 2005. The match took place at the Boston Gardens. It was in February of 1986, they wrestled to get a feel for each other for the Wrestlemania match they were supposed to have. Wow get out of town, I have watched that DVD set so many times too, but admittedly I always stay between 89-2000 for my personal Hitman interests so I probably just never watched it haha. They should have had that match, damn Steamboat would have been on fire at Mania. |
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