judas
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Post by judas on Dec 29, 2021 12:10:59 GMT -5
I love how you assume that you can talk for all of us. I have seen chase and the so called “rare” figures locally and left them. And I have never in my life bought something to sell it. Hell, I have never sold anything. All I’m saying is there is nothing wrong with buying something that you know you can sell and double or triple your money. It’s an investment. Should everyone selling Hasbros on EBay be shamed because back in 1993 they were only $3.99 and now they’re $200-$500? It’s the same thing as buying chase figures or rare figures in stores. Sounds like a whole lot of desperately trying to justify your own crapty behaviour by agreeing with other’s crapty behaviour to me.
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Post by coldblooded on Dec 29, 2021 17:57:16 GMT -5
Traded 2 ultimate HBKs for my 3rd PS5. Got 1 moc and 1 loose left.
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Dec 29, 2021 19:46:13 GMT -5
Traded 2 ultimate HBKs for my 3rd PS5. Got 1 moc and 1 loose left. lmao best part of being a pc player is watching all the consolers fight for new gen scraps
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Post by coldblooded on Dec 29, 2021 20:55:35 GMT -5
Traded 2 ultimate HBKs for my 3rd PS5. Got 1 moc and 1 loose left. lmao best part of being a pc player is watching all the consolers fight for new gen scraps Actually the joke is on you, I have a gaming PC too, along with a Switch. Can't wait to pick up Tomb Raider trilogy from Epic for free tomorrow. But hey you keep being the cool guy with your MaSteR pC rAce 😉
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Post by windycityelites316 on Dec 29, 2021 21:08:08 GMT -5
Traded 2 ultimate HBKs for my 3rd PS5. Got 1 moc and 1 loose left. No one cares
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Post by Old School Collector on Dec 29, 2021 21:28:37 GMT -5
I hope all scalpers eat sh*t ... pathetic that you have to scalp something that you claim to be a fan of, instead of helping someone with the same hobby that you claim to have.
I don’t have time for the “iF tHey’Re wIllIng tO pAy foR iT” bs ... a scalper is a scalper. Stop being a loser and try and help others with the same hobby.
Selfish people, man, I swear ...
I’m so glad that I don’t chase this plastic crack anymore. I guess I was lucky to have plenty of friends that helped me and I helped them ... all I see today are losers buying all they can in hopes of flipping, while at the same time are complaining that PayPal and other companies are trying to stop them...
Good, you should be stopped. Stop being a lame and actually HELP someone out with their collection, instead of taking advantage of true collectors.
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Dec 29, 2021 22:57:10 GMT -5
lmao best part of being a pc player is watching all the consolers fight for new gen scraps Actually the joke is on you, I have a gaming PC too, along with a Switch. Can't wait to pick up Tomb Raider trilogy from Epic for free tomorrow. But hey you keep being the cool guy with your MaSteR pC rAce 😉 One of us used technical skill and ingenuity to build a gaming pc for less than $300 that could easily rival one for 3k and the other paid for at least 5 gaming systems, not counting previous gen but yes, the joke is surely on me here
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Post by coldblooded on Dec 30, 2021 9:06:54 GMT -5
Traded 2 ultimate HBKs for my 3rd PS5. Got 1 moc and 1 loose left. No one cares K Actually the joke is on you, I have a gaming PC too, along with a Switch. Can't wait to pick up Tomb Raider trilogy from Epic for free tomorrow. But hey you keep being the cool guy with your MaSteR pC rAce 😉 One of us used technical skill and ingenuity to build a gaming pc for less than $300 that could easily rival one for 3k and the other paid for at least 5 gaming systems, not counting previous gen but yes, the joke is surely on me here K
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Dec 30, 2021 9:36:38 GMT -5
Scalping to arguing to PC gamer gatekeeping
What a joke
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Dec 30, 2021 9:40:22 GMT -5
LOL building a PC honestly isn't that hard. I got talked into doing it last winter and I've got all the technical prowess of a dumb squirrel. I'm about as low as you can set the bar for something like this. I think, from scratch, it took me maybe an hour and a half while my kid napped in the other room to get it put together and booted up on the first try. All you need are the parts, the tools, and a general purpose YouTube video. It's definitely not something to be gatekeeping over.
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secondwhiteline
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Post by secondwhiteline on Dec 30, 2021 9:52:19 GMT -5
I've seen too many arguments over scalping/reselling in my far-too-long history as a figure collector, but I'll say this, because it came up briefly: buying something off a shelf and reselling it is not the same as selling older toys or any other product that has long since left the mass market. There's a lot of aspects of the older collectible market you can criticize -- the outsider speculation, its use in money laundering, the scam inherent in the whole grading system -- but it's a different thing.
That being said, buying up mass market stuff is an inconvenience for other collectors, but what bothers me much more is when companies release extremely limited runs of certain products to foster an air of exclusivity and don't put enough controls on the buying process to allow many people to get them directly. Someone reselling a toy they bought at Target doesn't frustrate me nearly as much as a company like Mondo releasing an absurdly limited number of prints that get sold out 2 minutes after they go on sale. (Also, Jazwares's chase structure is similarly inconsiderate towards its own customer base. I can't possibly say enough bad things about that aspect of the AEW line.)
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Dec 30, 2021 12:41:06 GMT -5
Scalping to arguing to PC gamer gatekeeping What a joke Careful...you'll get put on a list! But yeah, this thread has run it's course and OP totally got the reaction he was looking for out of it... To start some chit. Hook in mouth, pissing contests, and nerd raging all over this mother er. Congrats WF... gave dude just what he wanted.
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Post by aggressiveperfector on Dec 30, 2021 12:41:49 GMT -5
Oh, and I'm still kicking it old school. REFURBISHED ATARI 7600 MOTHER ERS!
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Post by shanieomaniac on Dec 30, 2021 19:25:47 GMT -5
Oh, and I'm still kicking it old school. REFURBISHED ATARI 7600 MOTHER ERS! LOL. I have a 2600 in a tote somewhere. Still worked last time I tried it. You sort of have to jury-rig it using a coax cable, but when I had it out before I loved playing Pole Position and Pitfall. Also had Donkey Kong and Pac Man but I was rubbish at both of those.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 30, 2021 20:23:47 GMT -5
I purchased a second New Generation playset with the sole intent of selling the individual pieces off to cover the total cost and essentially get the one I'm keeping for free. Wonder what people think about that because to me there is a big difference between investing in a preorder that everybody had access to and raiding Target shelves on a regular basis although I'm sure some may not see it the same way. Zero regrets here.
And as much as I don't approve of scalping, are you really telling me that if you walk into your local retailer and see two Harley Race figures on the pegs - assuming you want to own one and realize its value - you're not grabbing them both in a heartbeat? Find that hard to believe.
I own maybe 15-20 wrestling figures total so not even a huge collector and have never sold any figure online either. Just want to keep a healthy conversation going and see if we can all recognize that there is definitely a very gray area in the aftermarket arena.
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Dec 30, 2021 20:32:49 GMT -5
I purchased a second New Generation playset with the sole intent of selling the individual pieces off to cover the total cost and essentially get the one I'm keeping for free. Wonder what people think about that because to me there is a big difference between investing in a preorder that everybody had access to and raiding Target shelves on a regular basis although I'm sure some may not see it the same way. Zero regrets here. And as much as I don't approve of scalping, are you really telling me that if you walk into your local retailer and see two Harley Race figures on the pegs - assuming you want to own one and realize its value - you're not grabbing them both in a heartbeat? Find that hard to believe. I own maybe 15-20 wrestling figures total so not even a huge collector and have never sold any figure online either. Just want to keep a healthy conversation going and see if we can all recognize that there is definitely a very gray area in the aftermarket arena. It’s not a grey area, really. Selling old toys that are no longer available in stores for whatever price you want: not scalping. Sometimes that sucks, but that’s the nature of antiques/collectibles. Selling off Kickstarter/preorder stuff for whatever price you want: not scalping. Was available to everyone and by it’s nature, the buyer is offered the opportunity to act as the “store” if they so choose. Buying brand new figures/cleaning out current store shelves with the intent of gouging others who now can’t buy the same item: scalping. People can justify it however they want, but that’s what it is.
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Post by Path 2 Glory on Dec 30, 2021 20:37:47 GMT -5
I purchased a second New Generation playset with the sole intent of selling the individual pieces off to cover the total cost and essentially get the one I'm keeping for free. Wonder what people think about that because to me there is a big difference between investing in a preorder that everybody had access to and raiding Target shelves on a regular basis although I'm sure some may not see it the same way. Zero regrets here. And as much as I don't approve of scalping, are you really telling me that if you walk into your local retailer and see two Harley Race figures on the pegs - assuming you want to own one and realize its value - you're not grabbing them both in a heartbeat? Find that hard to believe. I own maybe 15-20 wrestling figures total so not even a huge collector and have never sold any figure online either. Just want to keep a healthy conversation going and see if we can all recognize that there is definitely a very gray area in the aftermarket arena. there is definitely a line between being smart or advantageous of a situation and being something else that nobody likes. You know the guys who call ahead and find out when the shipment is then buys the entire stock making it a monopoly and then reselling at absurd prices only because they hold the entire market. Both are intelligent but one is a very poor thing to do morally. Different strokes for different folks as its not illegal. As far as figures go, I think the only ones I ever considered buying a second one of just based on their future monetary value was the Magnum TA fig and the Defining Moments Sting which I still have in MOC although I am a loose collector.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Dec 30, 2021 20:41:22 GMT -5
I purchased a second New Generation playset with the sole intent of selling the individual pieces off to cover the total cost and essentially get the one I'm keeping for free. Wonder what people think about that because to me there is a big difference between investing in a preorder that everybody had access to and raiding Target shelves on a regular basis although I'm sure some may not see it the same way. Zero regrets here. And as much as I don't approve of scalping, are you really telling me that if you walk into your local retailer and see two Harley Race figures on the pegs - assuming you want to own one and realize its value - you're not grabbing them both in a heartbeat? Find that hard to believe. I own maybe 15-20 wrestling figures total so not even a huge collector and have never sold any figure online either. Just want to keep a healthy conversation going and see if we can all recognize that there is definitely a very gray area in the aftermarket arena. It’s not a grey area, really. Selling old toys that are no longer available in stores for whatever price you want: not scalping. Sometimes that sucks, but that’s the nature of antiques/collectibles. Selling off Kickstarter/preorder stuff for whatever price you want: not scalping. Was available to everyone and by it’s nature, the buyer is offered the opportunity to act as the “store” if they so choose. Buying brand new figures/cleaning out current store shelves with the intent of gouging others who now can’t buy the same item: scalping. People can justify it however they want, but that’s what it is. I guess the gray area I'm referring to is your first topic. How do we know the people selling MOC Hasbros in 2021 for insane profits weren't scalpers in the early 90s? It's very possible. Is it not scalping as long as you wait (x) amount of years before reselling? I agree with your points, but really do believe there just isn't a perfect answer that satisfies everyone when it come to the aftermarket.
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Dec 30, 2021 21:07:58 GMT -5
It’s not a grey area, really. Selling old toys that are no longer available in stores for whatever price you want: not scalping. Sometimes that sucks, but that’s the nature of antiques/collectibles. Selling off Kickstarter/preorder stuff for whatever price you want: not scalping. Was available to everyone and by it’s nature, the buyer is offered the opportunity to act as the “store” if they so choose. Buying brand new figures/cleaning out current store shelves with the intent of gouging others who now can’t buy the same item: scalping. People can justify it however they want, but that’s what it is. I guess the gray area I'm referring to is your first topic. How do we know the people selling MOC Hasbros in 2021 for insane profits weren't scalpers in the early 90s? It's very possible. Is it not scalping as long as you wait (x) amount of years before reselling? I agree with your points, but really do believe there just isn't a perfect answer that satisfies everyone when it come to the aftermarket. In my opinion, the time aspect is the most important part of it all. Sitting on something for 30 years and then selling it to a new market is weird, but I do think there’s merit to it in a way of maintaining pristine items for people who collect that way. It’s not unique to the toy market either. In that situation, those people would be considered “investors”. But scalpers are all about the *now*. Buying brand new stuff and getting the most they can for it from unlucky or impatient people. That’s the crappy practice. They don’t want to sit on stuff for years because the likelihood that something better might come out and diminish the value of what they’re holding goes up as time goes on. You see it in other groups, like with TMNT, for example. People complaining about NECA or Super7 rereleasing the turtles because now the “value” of the ones they bought *to scalp* is going down.
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Post by newgenandy on Dec 31, 2021 2:02:11 GMT -5
It’s not a grey area, really. Selling old toys that are no longer available in stores for whatever price you want: not scalping. Sometimes that sucks, but that’s the nature of antiques/collectibles. Selling off Kickstarter/preorder stuff for whatever price you want: not scalping. Was available to everyone and by it’s nature, the buyer is offered the opportunity to act as the “store” if they so choose. Buying brand new figures/cleaning out current store shelves with the intent of gouging others who now can’t buy the same item: scalping. People can justify it however they want, but that’s what it is. I guess the gray area I'm referring to is your first topic. How do we know the people selling MOC Hasbros in 2021 for insane profits weren't scalpers in the early 90s? It's very possible. Is it not scalping as long as you wait (x) amount of years before reselling? I agree with your points, but really do believe there just isn't a perfect answer that satisfies everyone when it come to the aftermarket. No one in the 90s would’ve thought hasbros would end up being worth what they are, they were clearances out at pennies on the dollar at the end
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