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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 30, 2022 12:07:08 GMT -5
WWE-ONLY FAN: AEW is a bunch of skinny spot dorks, lol. ALSO WWE-ONLY FAN: Bad Bunny is so amazing! He does his moves so well! Even better than most of the WWE roster! I agree with people saying "the Rumble being a star-making match" is a lie. You're right, it's never been that. Sure we've had some shocking winners, but it's usually the big name that stands alone at the end. That said, I think it would've been fine to have Owens, AJ, Orton, or even Riddle win it. And if you truly believe it's a star maker, Austin Theory could've won it like they did with Belair last year. WWE shows more and more they only care about profit (yes, they're a business I get it). When you only put on quality matches at a PPV and never on your weekly shows (gee I think there is a company that does both), it really shows you don't care about anything other than what comes next and how to get people to tune in to the PPV ... and sadly, the majority of WWE fans are so mainstream, guys like Brock are how you do it. It will never change. This is WWE. I predict the "grand daddy of them all" is going to be a 2 day bowl of hot mess. Except that time that HBK won, or Austin, or Batista. And Rey…and ADR (as much as I can’t stand the guy)…and Bret (despite being a former WWE Champ when he won, the rumble win is what seemed to put him into permanent main event status in a lot of eyes).
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 30, 2022 12:10:07 GMT -5
Except that time that HBK won, or Austin, or Batista. And Rey…and ADR (as much as I can’t stand the guy)…and Bret (despite being a former WWE Champ when he won, the rumble win is what seemed to put him into permanent main event status in a lot of eyes). Yeah, I have no idea what any of these guys are on about. "The Rumble was never used to make stars!" Don't forget Yoko, or Reigns, Benoit.
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Post by berealnicknaro on Jan 30, 2022 12:16:24 GMT -5
The Rumble has always mostly been used as a convenient storyline ticket to a main event for whoever was already hot. The Rumble didn’t make Austin, HBK, or Triple H. It certainly didn’t make Hogan or Flair. Austin definitely won it earlier in his hot streak than most, but he had already won King of the Ring and was on fire with the crowd well before that. It was a reward for being the most over.
All that isn’t to defend the choices this year. I especially dislike Ronda winning because it really does feel like a huge burial to most of the already thin women’s roster. Brock, at least, has been around and doing some of the best work of his career lately. Part of me wonders if he’s doing so much lately as a way to wind down his career.
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Post by ftc on Jan 30, 2022 12:17:40 GMT -5
I was there last night and thought the show was real good. I enjoyed the storylines and think the build to Wrestlemania is going to be good. The place was packed very few empty seats which is the first time I had seen that in the last 2 years. Crowd was good but they started the show cold. No preshow and go right into Roman/Rollins was different. Sign catching on fire really screwed things up in the stadium. Becky's match was dead because of it. Lack of legends in the rumble was disappointing. The worst thing was the lighting. They had spotlight's all over the arena and they were on all night. At times you had a hard time seeing the ring. Thats why they had chants of turn the lights off. Orton pop was huge. Overall great night.
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Post by Will on Jan 30, 2022 12:21:56 GMT -5
Woah at this thread reaching 68 pages, makes me happy to see this forum active after all these years.
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Post by J'Dinkalage Morgoone on Jan 30, 2022 12:22:49 GMT -5
everyone complains about the same old guys, however wwe has 0 star power in new stars. no one looks like a wrestler, no one acts like a wrestler, so you have to keep going back to the old guys.
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Post by Triple S on Jan 30, 2022 12:23:23 GMT -5
The Rumble was never about making stars?
Drew McIntyre, Shinsuke Nakamura, Rey Mysterio, Batista, Chris Benoit, Steve Austin, Shawn Michaels, Lex Luger, Yokozuna.
All of these names weren’t already in the Main Event picture until winning the Royal Rumble (for some, just the first one). Maybe were in some high profile feuds and being pushed towards the Main Event picture, but the Rumble win put them there.
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Post by k5 on Jan 30, 2022 12:30:24 GMT -5
I watched the men’s rumble. I don’t watch wwe regularly but the Royal rumble is usually fun. I watched last year’s I believe, and it was good. but this one, outside of some exceptions, wasn’t all that great. I’m also really over brock, really really over brock/reigns/heyman, and am not into wwe, so that’s a big factor for sure.
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 30, 2022 12:31:51 GMT -5
Given the direction they went last night, I do think they could have a really solid mania card
Brock vs Roman Charlotte vs Ronda Lashley vs Rollins Becky vs Bianca AJ vs Edge Orton vs Riddle
Are all mania level matches if they choose to go that route
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 30, 2022 12:40:29 GMT -5
It’s also come out that Finn had put in for time off out of the country but will be back in time for the mania build and why he lost to Theory clean last week.
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Post by rkmo: 9 Month Warning on Jan 30, 2022 12:49:52 GMT -5
With the "nobody they have is a star" argument, it's a self fulfilling exercise. You put zero effort in presenting talents as special, or fail miserably at telling engaging stories with the ones you do, so the audience is bleh on 95% of the roster. When big shows draw close, you go, "the fans don't care about any of you chumps, we need stars" and write in the same 2-3 big names and casual attractions into their own self-contained stories. Nobody outside of these benefit from the attention and just draw more apathy. Everyone is just treading water. No movement, no progression, no energy. Going thru the motions while taking the blame for not standing out or being good enough.
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Post by The American Daydream on Jan 30, 2022 13:04:59 GMT -5
I haven't watched in ages. I read most as I've stated previously but as I was logging out of COD Vanguard I realized there was a few minutes left in the Rumble so I switched to a stream and finished it out but man I have to say I get more joy here out of laughing at people who hold out hope for better days than I do from actually watching any of their product bar RK-Bro. It's like watching Bears or Browns fans hoping to see that Super Bowl every year knowing the team still sucks.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 30, 2022 13:06:03 GMT -5
A decent show overall but I expected much more.
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Post by Triple S on Jan 30, 2022 13:07:13 GMT -5
I haven't watched in ages. I read most as I've stated previously but as I was logging out of COD Vanguard I realized there was a few minutes left in the Rumble so I switched to a stream and finished it out but man I have to say I get more joy here out of laughing at people who hold out hope for better days than I do from actually watching any of their product bar RK-Bro. It's like watching Bears or Browns fans hoping to see that Super Bowl every year knowing the team still sucks. Great way of putting it. It’s sad, but I have remind myself that WWE isn’t a wrestling company anymore. It’s a media and entertainment company. Can’t expect logical wrestling booking, but rather what will make headlines via ESPN or more.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Jan 30, 2022 13:09:10 GMT -5
The Rumble has made a lot of stars but I get why main event guys win most of the times, even double winners are bound to happen much more nowadays.
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Post by Hoobies on Jan 30, 2022 13:44:35 GMT -5
It's almost frustrating how smooth his execution is on moves compared to regular full-time guys. Honest question… What moves is he executing so smoothly? I guess more than anything I mean in-ring comfortability. Like comparing how Knoxville looked taking AJ's punches to how Bad Bunny does anything. Or even someone like Dominik Mysterio who has been on the main roster for a year and a half now. Dominik has moments where he looks really lost in the ring, hesitates to do moves, and in general looks like he doesn't fully believe in himself when he executes moves. Bad Bunny looks like he is so comfortable in there. He has in-ring presence. Like the Canadian, the head scissors, setting Rey up for the 619, taking the F5, he just looked a lot more comfortable in there than say a Dominik. Bad Bunny looks like he thinks "Yeah, I got this" very time he does something, no second guessing.
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Post by Hoobies on Jan 30, 2022 13:47:02 GMT -5
Given the direction they went last night, I do think they could have a really solid mania card Brock vs Roman Charlotte vs Ronda Lashley vs Rollins Becky vs Bianca AJ vs EdgeOrton vs Riddle Are all mania level matches if they choose to go that route I can see all the other matches happening based on what's been happening on TV. Is there a rumor this match is happening? That would be awesome if they go through with it!
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Post by hitmancmedge on Jan 30, 2022 13:49:33 GMT -5
Given the direction they went last night, I do think they could have a really solid mania card Brock vs Roman Charlotte vs Ronda Lashley vs Rollins Becky vs Bianca AJ vs EdgeOrton vs Riddle Are all mania level matches if they choose to go that route I can see all the other matches happening based on what's been happening on TV. Is there a rumor this match is happening? That would be awesome if they go through with it! No actual facts or anything just that both men want the match and have commented on social media about it.
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Post by Dan on Jan 30, 2022 14:04:01 GMT -5
I should have put more money on Lesnar winning the Rumble at 3/1, could always see it coming, though I thought he'd be doing it still Champion. My only gripe with Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar for the Universal Championship at Wrestlemania, is that I felt like it should really have been for the Undisputed Championship. The two biggest stars, the two biggest Titles, at the biggest show, but now it's just another repeat of what we've had many times before, even as recently as Crown Jewell, and of course we were supposed to get the match again at Day 1. As soon as he lost to Lashley though, you knew full well he was winning that Rumble, and AJ entering at 1 only cemented it further.
I don't get all the hate for Lesnar winning the Rumble though. He's by a mile the hottest babyface in the Company right now, and doing it on the same night he'd been screwed over made sense as he was still raged up. Had they given the Rumble to somebody else, then although it would have been fresh to see Brock Lesnar in an Elimination Chamber, the entire match would be an absolute no brainer that he's winning and going on to face Roman, which in all honesty would be even worse. At least there was some semi-surprise factor with him winning the Rumble, and now the Chamber is genuinely up for grabs to anyone. I do think Lashley vs anyone is a bit underwhelming though, and I'm not sure at this stage what the real attractions will be to fill one night at Wrestlemania let alone two. Ronda Rousey vs Charlotte, Roman Reigns vs Brock Lesnar, and AJ Styles vs Edge is about all there is to be honest.
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Post by Triple S on Jan 30, 2022 14:12:36 GMT -5
Every single move Bad Bunny performed last night are all on the other guy taking the move.
Crossbody, with Sheamus bumping and catching him. Head scissors, with Owens lifting him. Destroyer, with Riddle back flipping while Bunny just holds on.
I will give the guy credit though. He sold the Stunner and the F5 well. Not tough to do, but still. Also had no business eliminating Sheamus and Ziggler.
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