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Post by hulkmustpose on Feb 21, 2022 17:48:16 GMT -5
Why would Mattel even care about the aftermarket value of a non-limited piece? It was never sold based on its rarity or collectability. Why would people care about a different date on the foot or mark on the box then? Goes both ways gentelmen Did you say this? “As an Adult collector I feel that if mattel wants to re-release a figure that a lot of people missed out on. Great. But... There needs to be something on the box or figure that says its from 2022. Collectors like me will still buy the re-release because I have a goal of owning every Ultimate edition that comes out. However, the collector in me is also disappointed that a prize piece that I own MOC and loose will just be released again without any changes. Not fair to original owners. Re release the figure exactly the same, but mark the foot or box. that way everyone is happy.“ Maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much about a date on a foot or a mark on a box. |
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Post by LK3 on Feb 21, 2022 18:14:04 GMT -5
Let’s say they did do what you suggest… I’m just curious to know, how would the original release retain the same value in your eyes? As we know, the figures are going to be exactly the same. So the simple fact that the same product was made 3 years or so earlier should be the difference in $200 compared to let’s say $70 for example? Doesn’t make any sense to me. Why does a Kamala Hasbro with a moon on his belly go for thousands and one that doesn’t only goes for a few hundred bucks. I agree with you it makes no sense but that’s how collectibles work. That’s an actual difference on the figure itself, so it’s not the same thing. |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 21, 2022 21:56:54 GMT -5
Why would Mattel even care about the aftermarket value of a non-limited piece? It was never sold based on its rarity or collectability. Why would people care about a different date on the foot or mark on the box then? Goes both ways gentelmen That's not a gotcha. I'm asking a simple question: what profit incentive does Mattel have to care about maintaining the aftermarket value of their own toys? They don't make money from the secondary market. If anything, they have at least some incentive to do re-releases if there's enough demand. It's just rare because usually the situation doesn't call for it. Clearly this time it did. |
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Post by taserface on Feb 21, 2022 22:05:54 GMT -5
Why would people care about a different date on the foot or mark on the box then? Goes both ways gentelmen That's not a gotcha. I'm asking a simple question: what profit incentive does Mattel have to care about maintaining the aftermarket value of their own toys? They don't make money from the secondary market. If anything, they have at least some incentive to do re-releases if there's enough demand. The incentive for Mattel to add a simple change to the box (Best of or whatnot) is hype, excitement that this particular line has turned into, almost certain aftermarket value. At least for 75% of the figures That makes people buy multiples, which in turn Mattel likes. No matter what the ‘I’ll never, never, ever sell a figure for profit’ or ‘I don’t want my figures that I spend probably $1,000’s on to be worth anything’ crowd on this forums feels It’s just common sense. You’ve got this line for adult collectors. Look out for them. Add something obvious to the box. Nobody is asking them to break the bank or even fix the hideous heads for HBK |
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 21, 2022 22:17:31 GMT -5
That's not a gotcha. I'm asking a simple question: what profit incentive does Mattel have to care about maintaining the aftermarket value of their own toys? They don't make money from the secondary market. If anything, they have at least some incentive to do re-releases if there's enough demand. The incentive for Mattel to add a simple change to the box (Best of or whatnot) is hype, excitement that this particular line has turned into, almost certain aftermarket value. At least for 75% of the figures That makes people buy multiples, which in turn Mattel likes. No matter what the ‘I’ll never, never, ever sell a figure for profit’ or ‘I don’t want my figures that I spend probably $1,000’s on to be worth anything’ crowd on this forums feels It’s just common sense. You’ve got this line for adult collectors. Look out for them. Add something obvious to the box. Nobody is asking them to break the bank or even fix the hideous heads for HBK Again, while these figures are sold with adult collectors in mind, scarcity is not being treated as a selling point for this line. No company sells a figure line built so heavily on articulation and interchangeability without expecting that people are going to take the things out of the box, so the entire ethos of the line is contrary to investment collecting to begin with.
Beyond that, there's no incentive to changing up the packaging for a re-release. That's still a waste of labor. The only value of that would be if they intended to do a new ongoing sub-line, but this seems more of a one-time corrective than anything.
Also, they are looking out for collectors. They're doing that by re-releasing a wave that many of them couldn't get.
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Post by underoos on Feb 21, 2022 22:41:34 GMT -5
Mattel is giving hasbro and McFarlane a run for their money on who can rerelease the most figures 🤣
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Post by berealnicknaro on Feb 21, 2022 23:20:19 GMT -5
That's not a gotcha. I'm asking a simple question: what profit incentive does Mattel have to care about maintaining the aftermarket value of their own toys? They don't make money from the secondary market. If anything, they have at least some incentive to do re-releases if there's enough demand. The incentive for Mattel to add a simple change to the box (Best of or whatnot) is hype, excitement that this particular line has turned into, almost certain aftermarket value. At least for 75% of the figures That makes people buy multiples, which in turn Mattel likes. No matter what the ‘I’ll never, never, ever sell a figure for profit’ or ‘I don’t want my figures that I spend probably $1,000’s on to be worth anything’ crowd on this forums feels It’s just common sense. You’ve got this line for adult collectors. Look out for them. Add something obvious to the box. Nobody is asking them to break the bank or even fix the hideous heads for HBK I bet Mattel DOESN’T like when a single person buys multiples, or at least more than two. Want to know why? Because that means those are out of the hands of another kid or collector who could get into the line. A store might be happy for their inventory to get wiped out quickly, but that’s different. I guess you guys don’t seem to grasp that these kinds of practices only kill the market. It’s less common to see people say “I can’t wait to get this figure!” these days, and more “I’m dreading how difficult it will be.” It’s nonsense, and the fleecing of regular collectors will only go on for so long before they quit altogether. |
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Post by crush on Feb 22, 2022 0:59:59 GMT -5
I'm mind-boggled that this topic is still going. Mattel is re-releasing this particular set because 1. It allows them to get a modern Brock back to market quicker and 2. The figures got a lower than normal run and suffered from different than normal distribution issues. It's not rocket science nor a full pivot in strategy, so I'm not sure why it's turning into a massive debate on the entire concept of re-releases that don't exist. (Also, the funniest part is that the boxes are almost definitely going to have 2022 on the bottom of the boxes anyway).
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 22, 2022 2:20:07 GMT -5
I hope the rock series 6 never gets rereleased, making it the rarest UE to date and the value will go to the moon just like AMC stock I’m still holding onto my AMC shares from last year 😂 Should of sold it last summer. I want Mattel to rerelease the UE2 Triple H with butterfly joints. I’d get one even though I own one already. |
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Post by Warriah' on Feb 22, 2022 3:52:51 GMT -5
If you guys are really that worried about the value of your Shawn and Brock just hold on to them a little longer. As soon as they are out of print again the prices will creep back up.
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Post by Decky on Feb 22, 2022 18:06:05 GMT -5
I hope they mean it as another production run of it as series 4 (or whatever series it was). Would be kind of weird to straight re-release them as a “new” series. This is what it’ll be. Just another run as-is of the old wave. It’s not in place of new figures. The previous run was pretty low and there’s was a lot of consumer and retailer interest so we’ll do one last run to fulfill the requests. Plus it’s a great way to get a great Brock out quickly now that he’s available to us again while we continue to work on a modern Brock. Great now do the same for Harley Race and Gorilla Monsoon, please. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Feb 22, 2022 20:42:02 GMT -5
This is what it’ll be. Just another run as-is of the old wave. It’s not in place of new figures. The previous run was pretty low and there’s was a lot of consumer and retailer interest so we’ll do one last run to fulfill the requests. Plus it’s a great way to get a great Brock out quickly now that he’s available to us again while we continue to work on a modern Brock. Great now do the same for Harley Race and Gorilla Monsoon, please. I really don't think they have the rights for Harley anymore... they'd surely have released him again during these last 3+ years? Especially with all the CE figures and Legends series... he would have been ideal as the chase figure - regular King Harley and chase NWA Harley (or vice-versa). |
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Post by hb2k4life on Feb 22, 2022 21:55:20 GMT -5
Why would people care about a different date on the foot or mark on the box then? Goes both ways gentelmen Did you say this? “As an Adult collector I feel that if mattel wants to re-release a figure that a lot of people missed out on. Great. But... There needs to be something on the box or figure that says its from 2022. Collectors like me will still buy the re-release because I have a goal of owning every Ultimate edition that comes out. However, the collector in me is also disappointed that a prize piece that I own MOC and loose will just be released again without any changes. Not fair to original owners. Re release the figure exactly the same, but mark the foot or box. that way everyone is happy.“ Maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much about a date on a foot or a mark on a box. I did. read it again. I am happy they will be release the same figure again so all of you can own one. But, just change the date on the bottom of the foot or put a sticker on the box. Why would you be unhappy buying a figure from 2019 with a footmark of 2022? You will get the exact same figure, but just not the time stamp. |
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Post by Decky on Feb 23, 2022 4:05:20 GMT -5
Great now do the same for Harley Race and Gorilla Monsoon, please. I really don't think they have the rights for Harley anymore... they'd surely have released him again during these last 3+ years? Especially with all the CE figures and Legends series... he would have been ideal as the chase figure - regular King Harley and chase NWA Harley (or vice-versa). Sadly, I think you're right. The Legends line or CE would have been the perfect way to bring him back by now. |
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Post by CM Tusk on Feb 23, 2022 4:18:53 GMT -5
I think Steve should personally draw mustaches on all the figures so us real collectors that spent a lot of money on the originals can continue to watch its resell value rise and eventually take advantage of it.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 23, 2022 10:38:58 GMT -5
I think Steve should personally draw mustaches on all the figures so us real collectors that spent a lot of money on the originals can continue to watch its resell value rise and eventually take advantage of it. Well that's just unfair to those of us who drew our own mustaches on the original releases. |
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 23, 2022 12:05:52 GMT -5
Did you say this? “As an Adult collector I feel that if mattel wants to re-release a figure that a lot of people missed out on. Great. But... There needs to be something on the box or figure that says its from 2022. Collectors like me will still buy the re-release because I have a goal of owning every Ultimate edition that comes out. However, the collector in me is also disappointed that a prize piece that I own MOC and loose will just be released again without any changes. Not fair to original owners. Re release the figure exactly the same, but mark the foot or box. that way everyone is happy.“ Maybe you should ask yourself why you care so much about a date on a foot or a mark on a box. I did. read it again. I am happy they will be release the same figure again so all of you can own one. But, just change the date on the bottom of the foot or put a sticker on the box. Why would you be unhappy buying a figure from 2019 with a footmark of 2022? You will get the exact same figure, but just not the time stamp. Why are you unhappy people will buy a figure in 2022 with a 2019 date stamp? Doesn’t affect the figure you have does it? |
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Post by jacobl18 on Feb 23, 2022 13:56:24 GMT -5
I did. read it again. I am happy they will be release the same figure again so all of you can own one. But, just change the date on the bottom of the foot or put a sticker on the box. Why would you be unhappy buying a figure from 2019 with a footmark of 2022? You will get the exact same figure, but just not the time stamp. Why are you unhappy people will buy a figure in 2022 with a 2019 date stamp? Doesn’t affect the figure you have does it? Because it will affect the value. Some people like to collect valuable figures. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Feb 23, 2022 14:29:00 GMT -5
You know what? I think both sides are right. There’s nothing wrong with collecting toys and letting them appreciate in value and there’s nothing wrong with wanting a company to release figures you didn’t have the chance to get. I also don’t think it’s a nice thing to crap on people who paid extra because they really wanted the figure and now it’s available. Sometimes you don’t get the chance to get something twice and I understand that. Some people are really passionate and might sacrifice a couple of figures just to get one they really want. So that truly sucks.
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Post by hbkfan77 on Feb 23, 2022 18:11:27 GMT -5
Why are you unhappy people will buy a figure in 2022 with a 2019 date stamp? Doesn’t affect the figure you have does it? Because it will affect the value. Some people like to collect valuable figures. The value of HBK and Brock are NOT gonna drop. At least not significantly and not for long. They will likely be a super limited run and unbelievably sought after. The re-sellers and hardcores are gonna land these things and that's about it. Most people who will re-sell them are obviously not going to list them at FAR lesser price than what's out there and the demand is STILL going to be overwhelming for them.
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