figdrip
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Post by figdrip on Feb 23, 2022 18:42:41 GMT -5
Not a fan of re-releases, and I missed out on both of these...
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Post by fzmadness on Feb 23, 2022 21:10:45 GMT -5
I’m excited for the HBK since I never saw him. Now if they can just tell release Harley Race. It’s only been a few years now!
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berealnicknaro
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Post by berealnicknaro on Feb 23, 2022 22:14:41 GMT -5
Why are you unhappy people will buy a figure in 2022 with a 2019 date stamp? Doesn’t affect the figure you have does it? Because it will affect the value. Some people like to collect valuable figures. Can you or anyone else give a legitimate explanation as to why anyone should care? Or why those people should be catered to? If you guys really cared about rare or valuable figures, you’d be collecting statues, or Hot Toys, or prototypes. But you’re not. You want Mattel to put out fewer figures but at the same $20-$30 price. But it doesn’t work that way. The reality is that none of these figures are that rare or valuable. There are minimum production numbers that a company the size of Mattel has to hit to keep the MSRP what it is, and those numbers don’t approach what anyone would consider “rare”.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 24, 2022 2:19:34 GMT -5
Why are you unhappy people will buy a figure in 2022 with a 2019 date stamp? Doesn’t affect the figure you have does it? Because it will affect the value. Some people like to collect valuable figures. The figure itself is the same Exactly the same argument your using for putting a date stamp on is the same argument that can be used for the opposite point So you’re not collecting the figure to have the figure itself, your collecting for the value. You can’t dispute that with your argument for why a stamp should be put on - because it will affect the value in your eyes
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 24, 2022 8:41:13 GMT -5
Complaining about a potential decrease in the value of action figures branded for children ages 8 and up smashes right through the ceiling of first world problems.
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mrh
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Post by mrh on Feb 24, 2022 10:40:22 GMT -5
Complaining about a potential decrease in the value of action figures branded for children ages 8 and up smashes right through the ceiling of first world problems.
It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
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Post by Deep Figure Value on Feb 24, 2022 10:47:34 GMT -5
Complaining about a potential decrease in the value of action figures branded for children ages 8 and up smashes right through the ceiling of first world problems. It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
They're targeted and marketed to collectors, yes. The box still says 8+ right on the front of the package. We can slice it and dice it any way we want - they're still toys, and that's okay.
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Post by Mr. Show on Feb 24, 2022 15:33:26 GMT -5
Complaining about a potential decrease in the value of action figures branded for children ages 8 and up smashes right through the ceiling of first world problems. It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
Wild concept here, I know, but kids can be collectors too.
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The One Who Collects
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Post by The One Who Collects on Feb 24, 2022 15:43:57 GMT -5
One should never collect figures just for the idea they will increase in value. If that's what you're doing, you are taking a risk just like any other investor. I say rerelease every and any figure you can. I myself have collected the line from the beginning and have plenty of "high valued figures". It wouldn't bother me one bit to see someone get a Harley Race or the Legion of Doom.
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Post by PJ on Feb 24, 2022 16:18:17 GMT -5
Complaining about a potential decrease in the value of action figures branded for children ages 8 and up smashes right through the ceiling of first world problems. It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
They (Bill & Steve) have also said in the past any Mattel product seen at mass retail needs to have a strong appeal to children also to survive.
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Post by ajay182 on Feb 24, 2022 16:33:27 GMT -5
It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
They (Bill & Steve) have also said in the past any Mattel product seen at mass retail needs to have a strong appeal to children also to survive. And it makes sense when you look at the branding of the various lines: If you're a kid and it's your birthday, are you asking for "basic" Shawn Michaels or "ULTIMATE" Shawn Michaels? UE isn't "intended" for collectors as much as it's a line that also suits collectors. It's the perfect storm of appealing to kids and adults.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 24, 2022 16:37:47 GMT -5
They (Bill & Steve) have also said in the past any Mattel product seen at mass retail needs to have a strong appeal to children also to survive. And it makes sense when you look at the branding of the various lines: If you're a kid and it's your birthday, are you asking for "basic" Shawn Michaels or "ULTIMATE" Shawn Michaels? UE isn't "intended" for collectors as much as it's a line that also suits collectors. It's the perfect storm of appealing to kids and adults. Well put “True” collectors lines - aimed at adults only are from what I understand separate in Walmart etc than the toys Look at super 7 reaction figures which specifically state in the package it’s not a toy and a collectors item and aged 12+
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Post by ajay182 on Feb 24, 2022 16:41:47 GMT -5
And it makes sense when you look at the branding of the various lines: If you're a kid and it's your birthday, are you asking for "basic" Shawn Michaels or "ULTIMATE" Shawn Michaels? UE isn't "intended" for collectors as much as it's a line that also suits collectors. It's the perfect storm of appealing to kids and adults. Well put “True” collectors lines - aimed at adults only are from what I understand separate in Walmart etc than the toys Look at super 7 reaction figures which specifically state in the package it’s not a toy and a collectors item and aged 12+ Yep, great example. End of the day, "Adult" toys like Super7, Hot Toys etc., generally, are not sold in toy stores. Ultimates are - and as was said above, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But they're not some sort of adult-only investment grail - they're kids toys with adult appeal.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 24, 2022 16:57:22 GMT -5
Well put “True” collectors lines - aimed at adults only are from what I understand separate in Walmart etc than the toys Look at super 7 reaction figures which specifically state in the package it’s not a toy and a collectors item and aged 12+ Yep, great example. End of the day, "Adult" toys like Super7, Hot Toys etc., generally, are not sold in toy stores. Ultimates are - and as was said above, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But they're not some sort of adult-only investment grail - they're kids toys with adult appeal. Again spot on. My kids have grown up in a world of LOD coming down to the ring in shoulder pads, taking those off then the nasty boys coming down in dusters and sunglasses, taking all of those off. During the match Jimmy hart will get bumped, lose his megaphone on the apron, a nasty boy will pick it up only for hawk or animal to get it, hit them with it etc etc. They can accurately recreate what they see on the screen. Or using ultimate warrior they will have him come down full make up, duster etc, by the end of the match he will have the head with make up all chipped and missing. It’s a world away from when I was a kid. I could use a hasbro LOD figure with spike pads on in the ring and just use my imagination to pretend that they were not on there. Now I get all those clothes, accessories, heads etc are great for display but they’re equally great for play
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Post by kanepilk on Feb 25, 2022 9:20:30 GMT -5
I have to say I do feel quite bad about this. Think of the amount of people out there whose lives are in dire straits now. Those HBK figures were someone's pension. That Brock was going to pay for food and drink for a couple of years. Haha.
I can't understand getting upset about a wrestling figure's value going down. In the grand scheme of things, it's worth nothing anyway. It's at most a couple of hundred, and even then many of them sit on ebay for months upon months because people won't pay the prices some sellers want.
If you're getting upset about the value of your wrestling figures going down, then you really need to invest your money in actual investments. Do some people think that figures released now (arguably a time when every figure line is so over-collected that nothing holds value anymore) is somehow going to be worth a lot of money in future or something? Like you're gonna sell your HBK for half a million in 2050 or something? It'll never, ever happen.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 25, 2022 9:29:52 GMT -5
It's obviously not a major "world problem" -- but saying they're for "children ages 8 and up" is simply not true. UE are intended for collectors -- not kids. Even Steve and the Mattel folks have said that
Wild concept here, I know, but kids can be collectors too.
I was. My dad's a toy collector, so the first time I started approaching toys that way was the 90s Star Wars line. I was not yet 10. The first direct market figures I bought were the Puppet Master toys a couple years after that. I don't think it's very common, but some kids do collect, and some might just want the coolest version of a favorite wrestler.
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 25, 2022 9:38:04 GMT -5
I have to say I do feel quite bad about this. Think of the amount of people out there whose lives are in dire straits now. Those HBK figures were someone's pension. That Brock was going to pay for food and drink for a couple of years. Haha. I can't understand getting upset about a wrestling figure's value going down. In the grand scheme of things, it's worth nothing anyway. It's at most a couple of hundred, and even then many of them sit on ebay for months upon months because people won't pay the prices some sellers want. If you're getting upset about the value of your wrestling figures going down, then you really need to invest your money in actual investments. Do some people think that figures released now (arguably a time when every figure line is so over-collected that nothing holds value anymore) is somehow going to be worth a lot of money in future or something? Like you're gonna sell your HBK for half a million in 2050 or something? It'll never, ever happen.
Really, the best way to collect stuff for value is to sustain your own hobby purchases. I made a lot last year selling OOP Blu-Rays from boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Scream Factory. Mostly I wanted space, but the money was my hobby money for getting into a couple music genres I like on vinyl. (Also for a disc drive and external hard drive to save the movies on, so bonus.) So down the line if you get tired of your UEs, they'll probably pay for a bunch of new figures, and that's not bad. But I wouldn't expect it to be serious cash.
You gotta sit on Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, or Pokémon cards for a long time for that.
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Post by newgenandy on Feb 25, 2022 12:16:31 GMT -5
I have to say I do feel quite bad about this. Think of the amount of people out there whose lives are in dire straits now. Those HBK figures were someone's pension. That Brock was going to pay for food and drink for a couple of years. Haha. I can't understand getting upset about a wrestling figure's value going down. In the grand scheme of things, it's worth nothing anyway. It's at most a couple of hundred, and even then many of them sit on ebay for months upon months because people won't pay the prices some sellers want. If you're getting upset about the value of your wrestling figures going down, then you really need to invest your money in actual investments. Do some people think that figures released now (arguably a time when every figure line is so over-collected that nothing holds value anymore) is somehow going to be worth a lot of money in future or something? Like you're gonna sell your HBK for half a million in 2050 or something? It'll never, ever happen.
Really, the best way to collect stuff for value is to sustain your own hobby purchases. I made a lot last year selling OOP Blu-Rays from boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Scream Factory. Mostly I wanted space, but the money was my hobby money for getting into a couple music genres I like on vinyl. (Also for a disc drive and external hard drive to save the movies on, so bonus.) So down the line if you get tired of your UEs, they'll probably pay for a bunch of new figures, and that's not bad. But I wouldn't expect it to be serious cash.
You gotta sit on Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, or Pokémon cards for a long time for that.
The problem now is everyone has the same idea too - look at how far back grading is, people breaking packs, sending stuff in for grading etc. The really really valuable stuff is from the 80s, 90s etc when not nearly as many people were doing it
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Post by secondwhiteline on Feb 25, 2022 14:31:20 GMT -5
Really, the best way to collect stuff for value is to sustain your own hobby purchases. I made a lot last year selling OOP Blu-Rays from boutique labels like Vinegar Syndrome and Scream Factory. Mostly I wanted space, but the money was my hobby money for getting into a couple music genres I like on vinyl. (Also for a disc drive and external hard drive to save the movies on, so bonus.) So down the line if you get tired of your UEs, they'll probably pay for a bunch of new figures, and that's not bad. But I wouldn't expect it to be serious cash.
You gotta sit on Magic, Yu-Gi-Oh, or Pokémon cards for a long time for that.
The problem now is everyone has the same idea too - look at how far back grading is, people breaking packs, sending stuff in for grading etc. The really really valuable stuff is from the 80s, 90s etc when not nearly as many people were doing it Oh, most definitely. I'm almost embarrassed at how much I offloaded my Urza's Saga-era Magic stuff for, it feels wrong somehow. But card games have the benefit of a tourney scene (and a thriving casual scene like Commander for Magic), so there's always going to be demand for powerful and useful cards that goes beyond rarity and age. If you're looking to invest in a nerd hobby for value, a card game is the easiest one to predict as long as you know the game.
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Post by hb2k4life on Feb 25, 2022 21:33:36 GMT -5
Because it will affect the value. Some people like to collect valuable figures. The figure itself is the same Exactly the same argument your using for putting a date stamp on is the same argument that can be used for the opposite point So you’re not collecting the figure to have the figure itself, your collecting for the value. You can’t dispute that with your argument for why a stamp should be put on - because it will affect the value in your eyes I am. I collect for value and for joy. I buy 2x each ultimate. one for keeping on the card, the other to keep loose. I also collect Hot toys and other 1/6 figures. Some I have never opened. I have sold most of my original wwe mattel figures and did all right. Then the itch for collecting them again happened with ue and the fx face features. You people need guys like me. I will buy extras of figures no one wants (see clearance and ringside xmas sales) Then I will sit on them for a few years and sell them. Am I a milloniare, no. But it gives me extra money to buy toys I want to buy. And that means I am constantly buying what Mattel keeps selling.
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