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Post by pickle on Mar 25, 2022 20:31:15 GMT -5
TNA made a figure of Sting in his Great American Bash 90 attire.
Zombie sailor is currently making toys not only of only-worn-in-wwe attires, but of wwe created characters. Chella too.
And Martha and the Owen Hart foundation were in the planning stages of making their own Owen figures in his wmX and kotr94 attires before the aew deal.
Seems like attires aren't that protected by IP law.
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Post by kinnikuman on Mar 25, 2022 20:42:04 GMT -5
Who has Zombie made that uses WWe attires?
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 25, 2022 20:53:06 GMT -5
TNA made a figure of Sting in his Great American Bash 90 attire. Zombie sailor is currently making toys not only of only-worn-in-wwe attires, but of wwe created characters. Chella too. And Martha and the Owen Hart foundation were in the planning stages of making their own Owen figures in his wmX and kotr94 attires before the aew deal. Seems like attires aren't that protected by IP law. That was actually a NJPW attire/look which TNA/JAKKS has the rights to |
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Post by crush on Mar 25, 2022 21:16:29 GMT -5
TNA made a figure of Sting in his Great American Bash 90 attire. Zombie sailor is currently making toys not only of only-worn-in-wwe attires, but of wwe created characters. Chella too. And Martha and the Owen Hart foundation were in the planning stages of making their own Owen figures in his wmX and kotr94 attires before the aew deal. Seems like attires aren't that protected by IP law. -That's not a GAB 90 Sting. They're NJPW/NWA looks that Jakks licensed when they started making TNA figures to try and keep a version of the Classics going. The RSC exclusive with the USA jacket is specifically from a match at the Tokyo Dome vs Great Muta in I think 92, but it might be 93. -From the Zombie figures we've actually seen, I don't remember any in WWE-only looks or attire. Looking at the Zombie stuff we've seen so far, as well as Chella's stuff it's either been looks and gear that the wrestlers own, or has been tweaked enough to not be a direct representation. -RE: the Owen figures, there's no way of knowing what those figures would have been as a final product, but I would wager they would have been changed/tweaked enough to be legally cleared. Also, likely another important key to all of this, WWE is probably much less likely (though not impossible) to go after small boutique companies making figures of people they don't want than they would be to go after Jazwares/AEW. |
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 25, 2022 23:21:59 GMT -5
TNA made a figure of Sting in his Great American Bash 90 attire. Zombie sailor is currently making toys not only of only-worn-in-wwe attires, but of wwe created characters. Chella too. And Martha and the Owen Hart foundation were in the planning stages of making their own Owen figures in his wmX and kotr94 attires before the aew deal. Seems like attires aren't that protected by IP law. -That's not a GAB 90 Sting. They're NJPW/NWA looks that Jakks licensed when they started making TNA figures to try and keep a version of the Classics going. The RSC exclusive with the USA jacket is specifically from a match at the Tokyo Dome vs Great Muta in I think 92, but it might be 93. -From the Zombie figures we've actually seen, I don't remember any in WWE-only looks or attire. Looking at the Zombie stuff we've seen so far, as well as Chella's stuff it's either been looks and gear that the wrestlers own, or has been tweaked enough to not be a direct representation. -RE: the Owen figures, there's no way of knowing what those figures would have been as a final product, but I would wager they would have been changed/tweaked enough to be legally cleared. Also, likely another important key to all of this, WWE is probably much less likely (though not impossible) to go after small boutique companies making figures of people they don't want than they would be to go after Jazwares/AEW. What era was the first TNA Surfer Sting Legends from? Orange and blue attire? |
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Post by crush on Mar 26, 2022 0:05:43 GMT -5
-That's not a GAB 90 Sting. They're NJPW/NWA looks that Jakks licensed when they started making TNA figures to try and keep a version of the Classics going. The RSC exclusive with the USA jacket is specifically from a match at the Tokyo Dome vs Great Muta in I think 92, but it might be 93. -From the Zombie figures we've actually seen, I don't remember any in WWE-only looks or attire. Looking at the Zombie stuff we've seen so far, as well as Chella's stuff it's either been looks and gear that the wrestlers own, or has been tweaked enough to not be a direct representation. -RE: the Owen figures, there's no way of knowing what those figures would have been as a final product, but I would wager they would have been changed/tweaked enough to be legally cleared. Also, likely another important key to all of this, WWE is probably much less likely (though not impossible) to go after small boutique companies making figures of people they don't want than they would be to go after Jazwares/AEW. What era was the first TNA Surfer Sting Legends from? Orange and blue attire? Late 80s NWA AFAIK. Not sure of a specific match off the top of my head though. |
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Post by pickle on Mar 26, 2022 1:39:16 GMT -5
From the Zombie figures we've actually seen, I don't remember any in WWE-only looks or attire. Looking at the Zombie stuff we've seen so far, as well as Chella's stuff it's either been looks and gear that the wrestlers own, or has been tweaked enough to not be a direct representation. I was mostly speaking against the people claiming that ANY pink and black Owen gear was off the table, and only his pre-wwe stuff would be available. We can get pink and black, just worst case scenario the logos might be slightly different. As far as I can tell, with zombie, we've seen Brooklyn Brawler in gear he only wore in wwe, and Power and Glory in mostly the same gear except the "Power" and "Glory" have been tweaked. Plus we got the Double J that's an exact recreation of his unreleased hasbro. And with chella were getting Adam Bomb, Gangrel, Demolition, Hart Foundation Bulldog, JOB Squad Al Snow, Luna Vachon and Rhythm n Blues Greg Valentone all in what seems to be their wwe gear. But you might be right, maybe non-aew companies are just small enough to get away with it. |
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Post by kingnothing ~ Hardwired... on Mar 26, 2022 6:09:29 GMT -5
From the Zombie figures we've actually seen, I don't remember any in WWE-only looks or attire. Looking at the Zombie stuff we've seen so far, as well as Chella's stuff it's either been looks and gear that the wrestlers own, or has been tweaked enough to not be a direct representation. I was mostly speaking against the people claiming that ANY pink and black Owen gear was off the table, and only his pre-wwe stuff would be available. We can get pink and black, just worst case scenario the logos might be slightly different. As far as I can tell, with zombie, we've seen Brooklyn Brawler in gear he only wore in wwe, and Power and Glory in mostly the same gear except the "Power" and "Glory" have been tweaked. Plus we got the Double J that's an exact recreation of his unreleased hasbro. And with chella were getting Adam Bomb, Gangrel, Demolition, Hart Foundation Bulldog, JOB Squad Al Snow, Luna Vachon and Rhythm n Blues Greg Valentone all in what seems to be their wwe gear. But you might be right, maybe non-aew companies are just small enough to get away with it. Maybe it’s not the size of the company, but the size of production. If they got approval from WWE’s legal team to put these figures into production, especially if Mattel does not have the individuals signed to a contract and a figure planned, it’s not an issue? Or maybe they strategically went after former stars that no longer have ties to WWE in general and the figures aren’t going to end up on store shelves? In Owen’s case, they’ve just confused us even more though. The shirt released has a KOH logo, the lions he had on that attire, and an incomplete pink heart in the background. But, the attire he’s wearing on the shirt and in promos for the tournament he’s in his Japan attire. My best guess would be as mentioned already, Martha wants to keep the WWE imagery to a minimum, and Vince already has enough bad press over Owen as it is and likely won’t push the issue too far here. Didn’t Mark Henry do a lot of work to put the Owen stuff together in AEW? Maybe he and WWE executives worked out some deals? |
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Post by PJ on Mar 26, 2022 8:00:54 GMT -5
The bigger question is why is this on the Mattel board? Mattel’s not making an Owen Hart Jazwares is. So this has zero to do with Mattel.
And as for the other companies being mentioned for all we know they have deals with the WWE as well. Look at DC comics multiple companies have rights to produce DC figures/merchandise. McFarlane, Spin Master, Mafex, Mezco, Sideshow, Mattel/Fisher Price all make Batman/DC. So for all we know these other companies have made deals with the WWE as well.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 26, 2022 11:59:25 GMT -5
I view it as any character on a TV show. For example you can be a company and license Michael Richard likeness but you can’t make a figure of him in anything Kramer wore. You can’t copyright an outfit but if that outfit clearly is associated with that character then you’ll likely get hit with a lawsuit if you’re trying to profit on their IP. Same with Hall showing up on Nitro. You can’t really copyright someone’s accent but when Hall was speaking in a Razor cadence they were able to sue and win. Similarly, some of the signature character stuff that Anthony Hopkins did in the Silence of the Lambs film couldn’t be part of the character in other Hannibal Lecter films. Different studios had rights to different books at different times, and everything Hopkins did that was different to the Hannibal in the book, that falls under the IP of the studio, not the IP of the novelist. |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 26, 2022 12:22:15 GMT -5
The bigger question is why is this on the Mattel board? Mattel’s not making an Owen Hart Jazwares is. So this has zero to do with Mattel. And as for the other companies being mentioned for all we know they have deals with the WWE as well. Look at DC comics multiple companies have rights to produce DC figures/merchandise. McFarlane, Spin Master, Mafex, Mezco, Sideshow, Mattel/Fisher Price all make Batman/DC. So for all we know these other companies have made deals with the WWE as well. I think it started as a general question that got sidetracked into Owen cuz that’s pretty much the only attires I think most people would be questioning if it could be done or not. TNA AJ or possibly UFC Ronda or Brock are the only off limits figs I could see people wanting Mattel to do |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 27, 2022 15:45:11 GMT -5
The bigger question is why is this on the Mattel board? Mattel’s not making an Owen Hart Jazwares is. So this has zero to do with Mattel. And as for the other companies being mentioned for all we know they have deals with the WWE as well. Look at DC comics multiple companies have rights to produce DC figures/merchandise. McFarlane, Spin Master, Mafex, Mezco, Sideshow, Mattel/Fisher Price all make Batman/DC. So for all we know these other companies have made deals with the WWE as well. I think it started as a general question that got sidetracked into Owen cuz that’s pretty much the only attires I think most people would be questioning if it could be done or not. TNA AJ or possibly UFC Ronda or Brock are the only off limits figs I could see people wanting Mattel to do Would TNA be off limits? I could be wrong but didn’t wwe have done sort of licensing deal or ownership of some TNA footage / IP? I remember in the network they have shown TNA footage - including the something else to wrestle with AJ episode |
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Post by Fighter Hayabusa on Mar 27, 2022 17:09:29 GMT -5
I think it started as a general question that got sidetracked into Owen cuz that’s pretty much the only attires I think most people would be questioning if it could be done or not. TNA AJ or possibly UFC Ronda or Brock are the only off limits figs I could see people wanting Mattel to do Would TNA be off limits? I could be wrong but didn’t wwe have done sort of licensing deal or ownership of some TNA footage / IP? I remember in the network they have shown TNA footage - including the something else to wrestle with AJ episode They probably got permission to use some of their footage. I don’t think they have an ongoing relationship where they have carte blanche over all their material. |
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Post by kgchampion on Mar 29, 2022 2:00:25 GMT -5
If I don’t get at least a single mid-90s Owen to put with my Mattels, I’m going to be a sad panda.
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Post by shanieomaniac on Mar 31, 2022 5:13:39 GMT -5
This thread makes me think about how in WWE 2K22 they have dollar store El Generico (as El Ordinario) because WWE can't actually use Generico even though, in the game, it's Sami portraying the character.
(Sorry for the spoilers but I don't even own the game and I know about it, so not sure how it's much of a shocker at this point.)
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