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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Jul 14, 2022 12:26:47 GMT -5
There’s no reason why it couldn’t. WWE is paid a flat fee for allowing Mattel to use there license. Mattel is adding the talent fee onto the price of the crowd fund….So Mattel isn’t paying extra out of pocket. Jeff Jarrett is getting extra money for doing nothing and isn’t beholden to a legends deal. All parties win. WWE as the licenser dictate who they will allow to have figures made and in most cases what looks they will sign off on. If they wanted a Jarrett figure out there with their logo on it, in a look that he wore on their product, they would get him under a Legends deal. It’s just part of the contract. Mattel isn’t going to go against the contract just to add someone new to the line. Regardless of how it’s funded. We also have to consider that maybe Jarrett himself might not want a deal. I know Scott Steiner said a few years back that it wasn’t enough money.
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Post by stc13 on Jul 14, 2022 12:45:15 GMT -5
There’s no reason why it couldn’t. WWE is paid a flat fee for allowing Mattel to use there license. Mattel is adding the talent fee onto the price of the crowd fund….So Mattel isn’t paying extra out of pocket. Jeff Jarrett is getting extra money for doing nothing and isn’t beholden to a legends deal. All parties win. WWE as the licenser dictate who they will allow to have figures made and in most cases what looks they will sign off on. If they wanted a Jarrett figure out there with their logo on it, in a look that he wore on their product, they would get him under a Legends deal. It’s just part of the contract. Mattel isn’t going to go against the contract just to add someone new to the line. Regardless of how it’s funded. If Mattel wanted to sign outside talent directly, I have zero doubt it would have been negotiated into the last contract. The reality is that WWE and Mattel (and other licensed properties - Funko, Panini, 2k, etc) benefit financially from the current Legends contract structure. It's a win-win and they don't have incentive to change it. And beyond a handful of top tier talent who move significant merch, the rest of the Legends roster is pretty much filler content. Some new names will rotate in, some will drop off as deals expire. But anybody expecting significant change to what we've seen over the past few years is setting themselves up for disappointment.
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Post by AxelSmackdown on Jul 14, 2022 13:59:21 GMT -5
Wonder if this was for the SDCC Exclusive and not another crowdfunding
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 14:28:14 GMT -5
There’s no reason why it couldn’t. WWE is paid a flat fee for allowing Mattel to use there license. Mattel is adding the talent fee onto the price of the crowd fund….So Mattel isn’t paying extra out of pocket. Jeff Jarrett is getting extra money for doing nothing and isn’t beholden to a legends deal. All parties win. WWE as the licenser dictate who they will allow to have figures made and in most cases what looks they will sign off on. If they wanted a Jarrett figure out there with their logo on it, in a look that he wore on their product, they would get him under a Legends deal. It’s just part of the contract. Mattel isn’t going to go against the contract just to add someone new to the line. Regardless of how it’s funded. Jakks did it…..No reason why Mattel a bigger company couldn’t get a similar or even better deal done.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jul 14, 2022 14:30:47 GMT -5
WWE as the licenser dictate who they will allow to have figures made and in most cases what looks they will sign off on. If they wanted a Jarrett figure out there with their logo on it, in a look that he wore on their product, they would get him under a Legends deal. It’s just part of the contract. Mattel isn’t going to go against the contract just to add someone new to the line. Regardless of how it’s funded. Jakks did it…..No reason why Mattel a bigger company couldn’t get a similar or even better deal done. lol bro mattel used to do it that’s how we got macho man and akeem and some can’t I remember. WWE didn’t like that so now all Mattel can do is work with the deals wwe has already signed. Idk if you’re trolling or not
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 14:41:58 GMT -5
Jakks did it…..No reason why Mattel a bigger company couldn’t get a similar or even better deal done. lol bro mattel used to do it that’s how we got macho man and akeem and some can’t I remember. WWE didn’t like that so now all Mattel can do is work with the deals wwe has already signed. Idk if you’re trolling or not Not trolling at all. I’m just trying to throw out ideas on how we can get more than the same 15 legends recycled over and over again and actually get some fresh legends that collectors actually want. I’m trying to help Mattel because at every Target in my area every single legends figure is $5.99! Target is gonna scrap the line pretty soon if Mattel doesn’t put out figures that collectors actually want.
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jul 14, 2022 14:49:11 GMT -5
lol bro mattel used to do it that’s how we got macho man and akeem and some can’t I remember. WWE didn’t like that so now all Mattel can do is work with the deals wwe has already signed. Idk if you’re trolling or not Not trolling at all. I’m just trying to throw out ideas on how we can get more than the same 15 legends recycled over and over again and actually get some fresh legends that collectors actually want. I’m trying to help Mattel because at every Target in my area every single legends figure is $5.99! Target is gonna scrap the line pretty soon if Mattel doesn’t put out figures that collectors actually want. Steve said Legends are doing very well at Target. So much so Target does exclusive Legends Ultimates now
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 14, 2022 14:50:41 GMT -5
They get Ultimate Jarrett and it sells well and then within a year and a half we have Jarrett elites rotting on shelves. I think people over estimate his selling power. It’s not worth Mattel changing their current agreement with WWE. If Jarrett and WWE want him under a Legends deal, then we will get him. If not, find a good customizer.
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 14:54:39 GMT -5
Not trolling at all. I’m just trying to throw out ideas on how we can get more than the same 15 legends recycled over and over again and actually get some fresh legends that collectors actually want. I’m trying to help Mattel because at every Target in my area every single legends figure is $5.99! Target is gonna scrap the line pretty soon if Mattel doesn’t put out figures that collectors actually want. Steve said Legends are doing very well at Target. So much so Target does exclusive Legends Ultimates now They’re doing so well that Target just decided to lower the price down to almost free? Lol
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Post by Back to the Codyverse on Jul 14, 2022 14:59:18 GMT -5
Steve said Legends are doing very well at Target. So much so Target does exclusive Legends Ultimates now They’re doing so well that Target just decided to lower the price down to almost free? Lol There are tons of products that go on clearance. Ultimate Alexa has been marked down to $8.99. You think they’re going to stop carrying Ultimates?
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 14, 2022 15:12:33 GMT -5
I think people ignore the fact that with most lines, including Legends, people are more inclined to buy online/preorder over going to the store. While stuff might not be selling as well in store, it doesn’t always mean the lines aren’t doing well. That’s why almost every Legends figure sells out fast multiple times on Targets website before even hitting retail. Who wants to go out in public every time new figures hit? Not me.
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 15:18:28 GMT -5
They’re doing so well that Target just decided to lower the price down to almost free? Lol There are tons of products that go on clearance. Ultimate Alexa has been marked down to $8.99. You think they’re going to stop carrying Ultimates? If every Ultimate had to be knocked down to $8.99 then yes they would quit carrying them. The last 3 series of legends have all been marked down to $5.99-$9.99 and the next series isn’t looking to promising either. Stacy Keibler might make it to .99! Target is not making any money if they’re having to clearance every legends figure by 75%. Eventually they’re gonna take that shelf space away and give it to someone else.
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Post by Jim Cornette’s Wendy’s Order🍔 on Jul 14, 2022 15:21:16 GMT -5
There are tons of products that go on clearance. Ultimate Alexa has been marked down to $8.99. You think they’re going to stop carrying Ultimates? If every Ultimate had to be knocked down to $8.99 then yes they would quit carrying them. The last 3 series of legends have all been marked down to $5.99-$9.99 and the next series isn’t looking to promising either. Stacy Keibler might make it to .99! Target is not making any money if they’re having to clearance every legends figure by 75%. Eventually they’re gonna take that shelf space away and give it to someone else. That just isn’t going to happen chief lol sure you see these clearances on some figures after they’ve been readily available, but take into account how many nation wide have been purchase at full price and the cost factor to produce the product. If what you are saying were the case, target wouldn’t have carried the legends past the first set that had a few go on clearance.
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Post by crush on Jul 14, 2022 15:25:41 GMT -5
Just a quick note from someone with big box retail back inventory management experience: Items going on clearance does not necessarily mean they didn't sell well, and absolutely doesn't mean there they're not making a profit. It's usually more due to inventory turnover than anything else. The profits have long been made, and whatever's left has to be cleared through quickly as floors are reorganized and restocked.
*I'M NOT SAYING I know anything specific about Target and WWE Legends. Just giving my perspective from having worked in a similar area for a few years last decade.
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Post by Lil hulkster on Jul 14, 2022 15:28:22 GMT -5
Just a quick note from someone with big box retail back inventory management experience: Items going on clearance does not necessarily mean they didn't sell well, and absolutely doesn't mean there they're not making a profit. It's usually more due to inventory turnover than anything else. The profits have long been made, and whatever's left has to be cleared through quickly as floors are reorganized and restocked. *I'M NOT SAYING I know anything specific about Target and WWE Legends. Just giving my perspective from having worked in a similar area for a few years last decade. And your perspective hits home than most comments here, especially the dude that been trying to make a point and believe he knows how the business side of things works.
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 15:39:40 GMT -5
Just a quick note from someone with big box retail back inventory management experience: Items going on clearance does not necessarily mean they didn't sell well, and absolutely doesn't mean there they're not making a profit. It's usually more due to inventory turnover than anything else. The profits have long been made, and whatever's left has to be cleared through quickly as floors are reorganized and restocked. *I'M NOT SAYING I know anything specific about Target and WWE Legends. Just giving my perspective from having worked in a similar area for a few years last decade. And your perspective hits home than most comments here, especially the dude that been trying to make a point and believe he knows how the business side of things works. It’s basic economics….not hard to figure out. If a product is selling and there’s a demand for it then the product won’t have to be put on clearance. If there’s no demand for the product then the price has to be lowered to meet the price that consumers will pay for that item. You never see Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man or Hogans on clearance….Why ? Because people want those figures. But the 4th Chyna in the last 2 years or the 38th elite of Edge….Yeah a lot of ppl don’t care about them.
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Post by CM Tusk on Jul 14, 2022 15:48:15 GMT -5
And your perspective hits home than most comments here, especially the dude that been trying to make a point and believe he knows how the business side of things works. It’s basic economics….not hard to figure out. If a product is selling and there’s a demand for it then the product won’t have to be put on clearance. If there’s no demand for the product then the price has to be lowered to meet the price that consumers will pay for that item. You never see Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man or Hogans on clearance….Why ? Because people want those figures. But the 4th Chyna in the last 2 years or the 38th elite of Edge….Yeah a lot of ppl don’t care about them. I’ve witnessed a few Warriors on clearance so…..
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Post by crush on Jul 14, 2022 15:52:03 GMT -5
And your perspective hits home than most comments here, especially the dude that been trying to make a point and believe he knows how the business side of things works. It’s basic economics….not hard to figure out. If a product is selling and there’s a demand for it then the product won’t have to be put on clearance. If there’s no demand for the product then the price has to be lowered to meet the price that consumers will pay for that item. You never see Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man or Hogans on clearance….Why ? Because people want those figures. But the 4th Chyna in the last 2 years or the 38th elite of Edge….Yeah a lot of ppl don’t care about them. Again, really not how this works. It's not a question of lowering the price to what "consumers will pay for that item" it's a question of clearing shelf and floor space for incoming new inventory. Obviously there are figures that sell better than others, but overall Target was likely way in the black on each Legends series just on preorders alone (let alone eventual in-store sales) and stores clearancing out the final inventories of Chyna (to use your example) has no bearing on that. To use a specific localized example: Currently at my target, there are about 7 Lance Archer figures that have been sitting on pegs for a few months, through 2 restocks of Legends 14 figures that all seemed to sell pretty well through initially. Said Archers are still at full price, while the final Chynas left are clearance at $9.99. By your logic the Archers should have been put on clearance long before Chyna was. However, since the store likely has incoming Legends 15 inventory to put out (likely with a back to school/Fall reset) the Chynas were clearanced to clear the shelf space.
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Post by Crossfit Jesus on Jul 14, 2022 15:55:57 GMT -5
Someone is dense
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Post by jacobl18 on Jul 14, 2022 16:24:44 GMT -5
It’s basic economics….not hard to figure out. If a product is selling and there’s a demand for it then the product won’t have to be put on clearance. If there’s no demand for the product then the price has to be lowered to meet the price that consumers will pay for that item. You never see Ultimate Warrior, Macho Man or Hogans on clearance….Why ? Because people want those figures. But the 4th Chyna in the last 2 years or the 38th elite of Edge….Yeah a lot of ppl don’t care about them. Again, really not how this works. It's not a question of lowering the price to what "consumers will pay for that item" it's a question of clearing shelf and floor space for incoming new inventory. Obviously there are figures that sell better than others, but overall Target was likely way in the black on each Legends series just on preorders alone (let alone eventual in-store sales) and stores clearancing out the final inventories of Chyna (to use your example) has no bearing on that. To use a specific localized example: Currently at my target, there are about 7 Lance Archer figures that have been sitting on pegs for a few months, through 2 restocks of Legends 14 figures that all seemed to sell pretty well through initially. Said Archers are still at full price, while the final Chynas left are clearance at $9.99. By your logic the Archers should have been put on clearance long before Chyna was. However, since the store likely has incoming Legends 15 inventory to put out (likely with a back to school/Fall reset) the Chynas were clearanced to clear the shelf space. Weather you’re lowering the price because the item isn’t selling or to clear shelf space in the end it’s the same thing. Nobody was paying $22.99 for Chyna. So the only way to get rid of her figures to make room for new ones was to lower the price so low at $5.99 that almost anyone would just grab it because the price was so low.
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