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Post by The Assassin on Mar 5, 2023 10:34:47 GMT -5
I do not mean to come across as a know-it-all but check these notes then look back at the two stages. As a stage maker I figured out their structures pretty quickly. They literally share components. - The stage platform on both Raw and Nitro are 8 modular individual platforms. They are held up by truss beams on the underside in each corner and one in the centre. The truss which seem to be made in single member pieces ( member = the "V".) RAW uses two and Nitro the 1. The fabric clips onto the truss end to end to cover beneath the stage. - The truss seem to have nodes which allows them to connect. There is a connector single box piece (the diamond) which is for corners. Look closely at the stage platforms and you will see the 4 node points in each corner and also in centre and centre of the sides for a total of 9 node points . This is where the truss nodes lock in. These would also be on the underside if not going through completely. - The ramp is likely a solid flat piece that has detachable angled sides that slot into perhaps a groove (notice the lack of node points on the ramp). Look closely where The Rock is standing and you will see a line behind him. That is the short part of the ramp that is also used on Nitro. Any doubts, the shading is identical as is the size. The back section of the Raw ramp is essentially an extension piece. - RAW behind the curtain has a large truss structure that has a support at the top. This holds a rod that hangs the curtain and truss/lighting. - Soft goods are entirely held onto the truss using clips and this is likely the same for the Nitro logo. - There seem to be 2 platforms intentionally designed for the smoke attachments and the openings may have "covers". Look beneath Goldberg and that is the two platforms that Kane and Undertaker are standing on except on most shots of WCW they have covers over the smoke opening unless this was a late change. I also envisioned and planned this same concept well before seeing the reveals but my methods do not involve 3d print so actioning it is not so easy. It was GREAT to see Mattel action it and it is a huge win for everyone if it goes ahead. I feel like this set sells itself and there is no need for figures. The sheer amount of plastic on this set would already be a high production cost. From every image I have seen of the set up Raw is made up of 8 platforms/2 ramp sections/250 truss pieces/24 truss corner connectors/a top girder truss system/rod/soft goods/rods with clips to stabilize truss beams/components to make the towers. Add on the lights and smoke now consider if we get a dual kit the Nitro requires less so at a minimum we are getting what Raw has. If this is indeed the crowdfund I will boldly call a $500 price tag. The only other thing I could think of is the Stage starts as Nitro and the unlockables are the extra components required to make Raw. Wow you have a good eye man. I was skeptical at first but you make some really solid points there. Very impressed. I am now convinced the next crowdfund is gonna be a 2-in-1 stage, which the pieces can be configured into Monday Nitro or Attitude Era Raw. Obviously the previously shown stages are mockups (AFA confirmed this I believe), so not even prototypes, but the seeds of the idea are definitely visible when you know what to look for. I might be in the minority but I'd really like the figures to be more obscure Elites (instead of A-lister Ultimates), like ring announcers, commentators, referees, etc. I'd love to get a Michael Buffer, Referee Nick Patrick, and Steve McMichael. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 11:14:03 GMT -5
Say it is the stage, what next?
I don’t think people want or need another ring and you can’t have just lots of stages
Don’t get me wrong I love wrestling but I truly believe the audience and scope of large scale wrestling pieces is fractional to Star Wars, Batman, TMNT, all other superhero / comic properties and MOTU etc
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 11:23:07 GMT -5
Say it is the stage, what next? I don’t think people want or need another ring and you can’t have just lots of stages Don’t get me wrong I love wrestling but I truly believe the audience and scope of large scale wrestling pieces is fractional to Star Wars, Batman, TMNT, all other superhero / comic properties and MOTU etc Oh, this crowd fund thing from Mattel with WWE is a one way street. There’s not much you can do with it. I guess you could make areas, or sets (Funeral Parlor, Piper’s Pit, etc)… but that’s not gonna lead to high cost items. There’s only so many rings people will buy. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 11:38:54 GMT -5
Say it is the stage, what next? I don’t think people want or need another ring and you can’t have just lots of stages Don’t get me wrong I love wrestling but I truly believe the audience and scope of large scale wrestling pieces is fractional to Star Wars, Batman, TMNT, all other superhero / comic properties and MOTU etc Oh, this crowd fund thing from Mattel with WWE is a one way street. There’s not much you can do with it. I guess you could make areas, or sets (Funeral Parlor, Piper’s Pit, etc)… but that’s not gonna lead to high cost items. There’s only so many rings people will buy. The interview sets I thought too but depends how detailed to make them and they have done interview type sets before as pack in’s with figures. I think we have another 2 at most realistically including this upcoming one |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 11:42:56 GMT -5
Oh, this crowd fund thing from Mattel with WWE is a one way street. There’s not much you can do with it. I guess you could make areas, or sets (Funeral Parlor, Piper’s Pit, etc)… but that’s not gonna lead to high cost items. There’s only so many rings people will buy. The interview sets I thought too but depends how detailed to make them and they have done interview type sets before as pack in’s with figures. I think we have another 2 at most realistically including this upcoming one Fully agree. Especially if this one is as expensive as Steve is kinda implying, I don’t see it doing as well as the first one. That only made its goal when Savage was added. I guess we’ll see though. |
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 5, 2023 11:52:58 GMT -5
Whatever it is I just hope it’s not a ring. I’ll most likely get whatever it is they do unless it includes a ring. I have no use for rings as it is because I don’t display it having no room but I really don’t need multiple rings.
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Post by JCF on Mar 5, 2023 12:07:14 GMT -5
I've said this before, gonna say it again. Time to cater to the ruthless aggression era a little bit.
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Post by wwejunior on Mar 5, 2023 12:09:23 GMT -5
Whatever it is I just hope it’s not a ring. I’ll most likely get whatever it is they do unless it includes a ring. I have no use for rings as it is because I don’t display it having no room but I really don’t need multiple rings. Steve has said a million times over it will not be/include a ring. |
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Post by JCF on Mar 5, 2023 12:11:09 GMT -5
Whatever it is I just hope it’s not a ring. I’ll most likely get whatever it is they do unless it includes a ring. I have no use for rings as it is because I don’t display it having no room but I really don’t need multiple rings. Steve has said a million times over it will not be/include a ring. With that being said, I'd love to see accessory packs for the new gen ring then. Put them on Mattel creations or Ringside. The freedom to swap out from new gen to different eras would be incredible. Jakks did these packs over 20 years ago. Come on Mattel! |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 12:28:53 GMT -5
Steve said they won’t do a crowd fund just for figures but to me figures are the key.
I’m sure they do their due diligence and market research etc but the new gen only got funded due to macho ring added and a lot of people have said they’re keeping figures / maybe the entrance but getting rid of the ring,
Even those who did keep the ring only need one.
Figures really are the key and the number of figures, who the figures are and how well executed they are will be the model or break for the set.
I’d think people will want / expect 3 as a minimum as the bar has now been set
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 12:33:26 GMT -5
Steve said they won’t do a crowd fund just for figures but to me figures are the key. I’m sure they do their due diligence and market research etc but the new gen only got funded due to macho ring added and a lot of people have said they’re keeping figures / maybe the entrance but getting rid of the ring, Even those who did keep the ring only need one. Figures really are the key and the number of figures, who the figures are and how well executed they are will be the model or break for the set. I’d think people will want / expect 3 as a minimum as the bar has now been set Multi-packs of figures would sell every single time. I found it odd that they’re not pursuing that option, but know they won’t do well at retail. That’s where a crowd fund project would be perfect for that option. 3-6 packs of figures, especially Ultimates, would be perfect for getting certain figures out that otherwise might not be made. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 12:51:01 GMT -5
Steve said they won’t do a crowd fund just for figures but to me figures are the key. I’m sure they do their due diligence and market research etc but the new gen only got funded due to macho ring added and a lot of people have said they’re keeping figures / maybe the entrance but getting rid of the ring, Even those who did keep the ring only need one. Figures really are the key and the number of figures, who the figures are and how well executed they are will be the model or break for the set. I’d think people will want / expect 3 as a minimum as the bar has now been set Multi-packs of figures would sell every single time. I found it odd that they’re not pursuing that option, but know they won’t do well at retail. That’s where a crowd fund project would be perfect for that option. 3-6 packs of figures, especially Ultimates, would be perfect for getting certain figures out that otherwise might not be made. 100% Sets for collectors or as you say people who otherwise wouldn’t get an ultimate Something like a history of the undertaker ultimate set with say 5 or 6 takers, quality soft goods, separate hats etc for the attires - 6 ultimates at $32 each would be best part of $200 and suit crowd funding imo |
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Post by hb2k4life on Mar 5, 2023 12:51:30 GMT -5
What I really would want is for Mattel to do a crowdfund when they sell only 1 figure, but have a $100 budget on it. Imagine what we can get with an Ultimate figure with 3X the budget. I would say Macho man, ric Flair or Undertaker to be that first figure. Leather Belt, their entrance gear, multiple NEW headscans! We all know people will buy regular figures on the second market for that price, why not put that price in Mattels budget and make a real Ultimate of the Ultimate figure. Early bird or unlock goals you can use your imagination on what you can add
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 14:08:14 GMT -5
What I really would want is for Mattel to do a crowdfund when they sell only 1 figure, but have a $100 budget on it. Imagine what we can get with an Ultimate figure with 3X the budget. I would say Macho man, ric Flair or Undertaker to be that first figure. Leather Belt, their entrance gear, multiple NEW headscans! We all know people will buy regular figures on the second market for that price, why not put that price in Mattels budget and make a real Ultimate of the Ultimate figure. Early bird or unlock goals you can use your imagination on what you can add I asked the question in the other brand forum if people would be interested in a high end figure and generally the answer was no People turned their nose up at the £70 super 7 elites. I get that 1. That’s not mattel and 2. It’s not top tier talent but I don’t think the call is there for a super high cost figure. You’re quite right that people will pay that and more on the secondary market but there seems to be a view where people will pay that secondary because it’s old, it’s rare, exclusivity etc but not for a new to market figure (unless it’s secondary market for short packed / one of those where it’s distributed very limited) |
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Post by The Madness on Mar 5, 2023 14:25:02 GMT -5
It’s a little past my era, but I’d absolutely buy a Nitro stage (or anything WCW related).
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 5, 2023 14:37:19 GMT -5
What I really would want is for Mattel to do a crowdfund when they sell only 1 figure, but have a $100 budget on it. Imagine what we can get with an Ultimate figure with 3X the budget. I would say Macho man, ric Flair or Undertaker to be that first figure. Leather Belt, their entrance gear, multiple NEW headscans! We all know people will buy regular figures on the second market for that price, why not put that price in Mattels budget and make a real Ultimate of the Ultimate figure. Early bird or unlock goals you can use your imagination on what you can add I asked the question in the other brand forum if people would be interested in a high end figure and generally the answer was no People turned their nose up at the £70 super 7 elites. I get that 1. That’s not mattel and 2. It’s not top tier talent but I don’t think the call is there for a super high cost figure. You’re quite right that people will pay that and more on the secondary market but there seems to be a view where people will pay that secondary because it’s old, it’s rare, exclusivity etc but not for a new to market figure (unless it’s secondary market for short packed / one of those where it’s distributed very limited) I mean people were complaining about paying $30 for Ultimates when they first came out. Yet, they preorder figures that were just as expensive if you ask me. Look at the Mattel Creation preorders. They're just a step above, if not in similar quality as the regular UE line. People are paying for the exclusivity and packaging. I for one don't care about special packaging, I care for the quality of the figure. A minimalistic packaging and decked out figure could do wonders and I'm sure people wouldn't care about packaging over time once they get used to it. I didn't mind paying that price for a premium product. I think for high end and something above the Ultimate line it could be around $60-70, with higher end paint jobs, unique molds etc and a one or two release a year. I think something like Figuarts... For the initial price that UE's retailed for, I thought they were great. I think right now, Ultimates are getting a little expensive at about $35/36ish a pop after taxes, so I'm only getting figures I really want. It's my cutoff point. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 5, 2023 14:51:38 GMT -5
I asked the question in the other brand forum if people would be interested in a high end figure and generally the answer was no People turned their nose up at the £70 super 7 elites. I get that 1. That’s not mattel and 2. It’s not top tier talent but I don’t think the call is there for a super high cost figure. You’re quite right that people will pay that and more on the secondary market but there seems to be a view where people will pay that secondary because it’s old, it’s rare, exclusivity etc but not for a new to market figure (unless it’s secondary market for short packed / one of those where it’s distributed very limited) I mean people were complaining about paying $30 for Ultimates when they first came out. Yet, they preorder figures that were just as expensive if you ask me. Look at the Mattel Creation preorders. They're just a step above, if not in similar quality as the regular UE line. People are paying for the exclusivity and packaging. I for one don't care about special packaging, I care for the quality of the figure. A minimalistic packaging and decked out figure could do wonders and I'm sure people wouldn't care about packaging over time once they get used to it. I didn't mind paying that price for a premium product. I think for high end and something above the Ultimate line it could be around $60-70, with higher end paint jobs, unique molds etc and a one or two release a year. I think something like Figuarts... For the initial price that UE's retailed for, I thought they were great. I think right now, Ultimates are getting a little expensive at about $35/36ish a pop after taxes, so I'm only getting figures I really want. It's my cutoff point. What’s the rrp for supremes? I think in a way they’re the next step from ultimates with the swappable legs. Imagine if ultimates went the same way. Say macho with one upper body but then a trunks and a tight lower half do you can have a 2in1 macho man and macho king. |
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Post by The Assassin on Mar 5, 2023 15:06:59 GMT -5
Say it is the stage, what next? I don’t think people want or need another ring and you can’t have just lots of stages Don’t get me wrong I love wrestling but I truly believe the audience and scope of large scale wrestling pieces is fractional to Star Wars, Batman, TMNT, all other superhero / comic properties and MOTU etc Personally I would love a proper WCW scale ring, i.e. 18x18 feet scale (not the 20x20 feet ones WWE uses) and a scale War Games set (i.e. 2x WCW scale rings and a cage to fit) would be amazing. More broadly speaking though, my vote would go to exploring options to get more obscure legends made in figure form, whether it be crowdfunding or some kind of "made on demand" service, whatever the best option is, I would like to see Mattel trying some new channels and new ideas to push the Legends roster even deeper. There are literally hundreds of more obscure legends I would love to own in figure form (mostly WCW/NWO era and WWF Attitude era) and have been wanting for years, I get why a lot of them can't be made in the current system, but as 3D printing technology advances, I feel like gradually strategies should emerge that allow more and more obscure legends to be practical/profitable/etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2023 15:08:33 GMT -5
I think Supremes are retailing at about $45, which for Jazwares quality… isn’t remotely worth it. Mattel might make me think differently.
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Post by GreyHaze:Big Bad Booty Daddy on Mar 5, 2023 15:09:59 GMT -5
I mean people were complaining about paying $30 for Ultimates when they first came out. Yet, they preorder figures that were just as expensive if you ask me. Look at the Mattel Creation preorders. They're just a step above, if not in similar quality as the regular UE line. People are paying for the exclusivity and packaging. I for one don't care about special packaging, I care for the quality of the figure. A minimalistic packaging and decked out figure could do wonders and I'm sure people wouldn't care about packaging over time once they get used to it. I didn't mind paying that price for a premium product. I think for high end and something above the Ultimate line it could be around $60-70, with higher end paint jobs, unique molds etc and a one or two release a year. I think something like Figuarts... For the initial price that UE's retailed for, I thought they were great. I think right now, Ultimates are getting a little expensive at about $35/36ish a pop after taxes, so I'm only getting figures I really want. It's my cutoff point. What’s the rrp for supremes? I think in a way they’re the next step from ultimates with the swappable legs. Imagine if ultimates went the same way. Say macho with one upper body but then a trunks and a tight lower half do you can have a 2in1 macho man and macho king. I have no clue. I don't collect the AEW line. I think the concept would be really cool for Mattel, especially if you want to do fixups. Like jean highlights/ hair tones etc (which they have done in the past) nonpainted torsos. |
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