champofakind
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Post by champofakind on Mar 4, 2023 1:36:50 GMT -5
It has to be the raw is war entrance stage. And with ultimates or elites of Jerry lawler, Vince, Paul bearer and a Mick Foley. Or maybe hell in a cell? Guys, I don't think they'll be releasing a Vince McMahon figure anytime soon. I was just throwing names out there. You never know. A certain hulking person was blacklisted for years and is now one of their top sellers. |
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Post by nikostoybox on Mar 4, 2023 7:41:10 GMT -5
Actually both the raw and nitro sets are mostly made of the exact same components. The truss are connectable and with the stage platform. The only difference is lighting,soft goods (which clip onto the truss), logos and the WCW side blocks/wwf towers. I noticed it immediately when I saw the Nitro. The pieces are multi purpose which could open up a new realm for fig collectors. I'm not seeing that. The truss design, stage, and ramp are all different. I suppose they could make them the same, but it seems to me that they would want to have a specific theme to a crowdfunder and not muddy the waters by doing both WWF and WCW in one set.   I do not mean to come across as a know-it-all but check these notes then look back at the two stages. As a stage maker I figured out their structures pretty quickly. They literally share components. - The stage platform on both Raw and Nitro are 8 modular individual platforms. They are held up by truss beams on the underside in each corner and one in the centre. The truss which seem to be made in single member pieces ( member = the "V".) RAW uses two and Nitro the 1. The fabric clips onto the truss end to end to cover beneath the stage. - The truss seem to have nodes which allows them to connect. There is a connector single box piece (the diamond) which is for corners. Look closely at the stage platforms and you will see the 4 node points in each corner and also in centre and centre of the sides for a total of 9 node points . This is where the truss nodes lock in. These would also be on the underside if not going through completely. - The ramp is likely a solid flat piece that has detachable angled sides that slot into perhaps a groove (notice the lack of node points on the ramp). Look closely where The Rock is standing and you will see a line behind him. That is the short part of the ramp that is also used on Nitro. Any doubts, the shading is identical as is the size. The back section of the Raw ramp is essentially an extension piece. - RAW behind the curtain has a large truss structure that has a support at the top. This holds a rod that hangs the curtain and truss/lighting. - Soft goods are entirely held onto the truss using clips and this is likely the same for the Nitro logo. - There seem to be 2 platforms intentionally designed for the smoke attachments and the openings may have "covers". Look beneath Goldberg and that is the two platforms that Kane and Undertaker are standing on except on most shots of WCW they have covers over the smoke opening unless this was a late change. I also envisioned and planned this same concept well before seeing the reveals but my methods do not involve 3d print so actioning it is not so easy. It was GREAT to see Mattel action it and it is a huge win for everyone if it goes ahead. I feel like this set sells itself and there is no need for figures. The sheer amount of plastic on this set would already be a high production cost. From every image I have seen of the set up Raw is made up of 8 platforms/2 ramp sections/250 truss pieces/24 truss corner connectors/a top girder truss system/rod/soft goods/rods with clips to stabilize truss beams/components to make the towers. Add on the lights and smoke now consider if we get a dual kit the Nitro requires less so at a minimum we are getting what Raw has. If this is indeed the crowdfund I will boldly call a $500 price tag. The only other thing I could think of is the Stage starts as Nitro and the unlockables are the extra components required to make Raw. |
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Post by oldschoolfool on Mar 4, 2023 7:44:39 GMT -5
Never say never because things change but a few times Steve’s said they wouldn’t do that and would find other ways or avenues to get sets out, but I agree a figure set would be great. I’d like to see something like say 6 figures in one of those 80s style ‘vinyl’ figure cases you had for wwf ljn, real ghostbusters etc Well, dam, now there's an idea.. |
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Post by ztj_wwf on Mar 4, 2023 8:48:23 GMT -5
I'm not seeing that. The truss design, stage, and ramp are all different. I suppose they could make them the same, but it seems to me that they would want to have a specific theme to a crowdfunder and not muddy the waters by doing both WWF and WCW in one set. I do not mean to come across as a know-it-all but check these notes then look back at the two stages. As a stage maker I figured out their structures pretty quickly. They literally share components. - The stage platform on both Raw and Nitro are 8 modular individual platforms. They are held up by truss beams on the underside in each corner and one in the centre. The truss which seem to be made in single member pieces ( member = the "V".) RAW uses two and Nitro the 1. The fabric clips onto the truss end to end to cover beneath the stage. - The truss seem to have nodes which allows them to connect. There is a connector single box piece (the diamond) which is for corners. Look closely at the stage platforms and you will see the 4 node points in each corner and also in centre and centre of the sides for a total of 9 node points . This is where the truss nodes lock in. These would also be on the underside if not going through completely. - The ramp is likely a solid flat piece that has detachable angled sides that slot into perhaps a groove (notice the lack of node points on the ramp). Look closely where The Rock is standing and you will see a line behind him. That is the short part of the ramp that is also used on Nitro. Any doubts, the shading is identical as is the size. The back section of the Raw ramp is essentially an extension piece. - RAW behind the curtain has a large truss structure that has a support at the top. This holds a rod that hangs the curtain and truss/lighting. - Soft goods are entirely held onto the truss using clips and this is likely the same for the Nitro logo. - There seem to be 2 platforms intentionally designed for the smoke attachments and the openings may have "covers". Look beneath Goldberg and that is the two platforms that Kane and Undertaker are standing on except on most shots of WCW they have covers over the smoke opening unless this was a late change. I also envisioned and planned this same concept well before seeing the reveals but my methods do not involve 3d print so actioning it is not so easy. It was GREAT to see Mattel action it and it is a huge win for everyone if it goes ahead. I feel like this set sells itself and there is no need for figures. The sheer amount of plastic on this set would already be a high production cost. From every image I have seen of the set up Raw is made up of 8 platforms/2 ramp sections/250 truss pieces/24 truss corner connectors/a top girder truss system/rod/soft goods/rods with clips to stabilize truss beams/components to make the towers. Add on the lights and smoke now consider if we get a dual kit the Nitro requires less so at a minimum we are getting what Raw has. If this is indeed the crowdfund I will boldly call a $500 price tag. The only other thing I could think of is the Stage starts as Nitro and the unlockables are the extra components required to make Raw. Alright, dude...I'll just take your word for it. I'm still not sure that Mattel would want to do a massive set that involves both WWF/E and WCW, instead of just doing them separately, but I guess we'll see. |
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Post by newgenandy on Mar 4, 2023 9:44:56 GMT -5
I'm not seeing that. The truss design, stage, and ramp are all different. I suppose they could make them the same, but it seems to me that they would want to have a specific theme to a crowdfunder and not muddy the waters by doing both WWF and WCW in one set. I do not mean to come across as a know-it-all but check these notes then look back at the two stages. As a stage maker I figured out their structures pretty quickly. They literally share components. - The stage platform on both Raw and Nitro are 8 modular individual platforms. They are held up by truss beams on the underside in each corner and one in the centre. The truss which seem to be made in single member pieces ( member = the "V".) RAW uses two and Nitro the 1. The fabric clips onto the truss end to end to cover beneath the stage. - The truss seem to have nodes which allows them to connect. There is a connector single box piece (the diamond) which is for corners. Look closely at the stage platforms and you will see the 4 node points in each corner and also in centre and centre of the sides for a total of 9 node points . This is where the truss nodes lock in. These would also be on the underside if not going through completely. - The ramp is likely a solid flat piece that has detachable angled sides that slot into perhaps a groove (notice the lack of node points on the ramp). Look closely where The Rock is standing and you will see a line behind him. That is the short part of the ramp that is also used on Nitro. Any doubts, the shading is identical as is the size. The back section of the Raw ramp is essentially an extension piece. - RAW behind the curtain has a large truss structure that has a support at the top. This holds a rod that hangs the curtain and truss/lighting. - Soft goods are entirely held onto the truss using clips and this is likely the same for the Nitro logo. - There seem to be 2 platforms intentionally designed for the smoke attachments and the openings may have "covers". Look beneath Goldberg and that is the two platforms that Kane and Undertaker are standing on except on most shots of WCW they have covers over the smoke opening unless this was a late change. I also envisioned and planned this same concept well before seeing the reveals but my methods do not involve 3d print so actioning it is not so easy. It was GREAT to see Mattel action it and it is a huge win for everyone if it goes ahead. I feel like this set sells itself and there is no need for figures. The sheer amount of plastic on this set would already be a high production cost. From every image I have seen of the set up Raw is made up of 8 platforms/2 ramp sections/250 truss pieces/24 truss corner connectors/a top girder truss system/rod/soft goods/rods with clips to stabilize truss beams/components to make the towers. Add on the lights and smoke now consider if we get a dual kit the Nitro requires less so at a minimum we are getting what Raw has. If this is indeed the crowdfund I will boldly call a $500 price tag. The only other thing I could think of is the Stage starts as Nitro and the unlockables are the extra components required to make Raw. I don’t think it would be this, especially with a ring it’d be too big imo However full marks for research, breaking it down etc. you make sound rationale points and s very well constructed post and interesting to read 👍 |
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Post by bwquinn13 on Mar 4, 2023 17:33:00 GMT -5
Same, this is the one I really want. I am not sure what they could do for the Ultimates though. Maybe the Outsiders, Hollywood w/ tan and Satrrcade attire, perhaps Steiners or a Warrior? Sting would be ideal, but clearly that is not going to happen. |
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Post by kman2100 on Mar 4, 2023 18:30:15 GMT -5
While I understand the logic behind having stages like those being crowdfunding projects the shear size would make me have to think real hard about getting them. I grabbed the new gen arena because I'm a huge fan of the golden era and the entrance was really a huge selling point for me. The ring was pretty much a bonus piece for me as I probably would have had to think much longer about backing if it was just a ring and figures. However after receiving it and seeing exactly how large it was I quickly found out that I really had no where to display it properly. Luckily I got some shelving for my loose Ultimate collection and I managed to put the stage on the top shelf so it could be displayed, however the ring has been sitting in a closet since I got it last summer just because I have no where to display it. Now like I said before even with the ring in a closet the $250 price tag was a little easier to justify considering I still got the entrance and 3 figures displayed from the set. However if future crowdfunds are in the $400-$500 range it's going to be quite difficult to pull the trigger just because I already know that I'll never have the space needed to display the stages, and spending that kind of money just for the figures that would be included wouldn't be very smart.
Now what would be ideal would be Mattel giving those people who couldn't back the crowdfund for whatever reason the option to purchase the figures from future crowdfunds separately, much like the other made to order figures, granted the crowdfund was backed. The diehards who want the stages would still back it, however it would give the collectors the option to get the included figures without having the spend the money on the stage. I could even see them charging in the $60-$75 per figure range instead of the normal $50 price point for the made to order figures just because it's a crowdfunded project. Plus the money Mattel could make off the sales of the figures themselves could help with the production cost for the new parts and pieces needed for the entire crowd funding project and maybe help make the goal number a little lower and obtainable for those that are truly after the stages.
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Post by nikostoybox on Mar 4, 2023 19:01:07 GMT -5
I do not mean to come across as a know-it-all but check these notes then look back at the two stages. As a stage maker I figured out their structures pretty quickly. They literally share components. - The stage platform on both Raw and Nitro are 8 modular individual platforms. They are held up by truss beams on the underside in each corner and one in the centre. The truss which seem to be made in single member pieces ( member = the "V".) RAW uses two and Nitro the 1. The fabric clips onto the truss end to end to cover beneath the stage. - The truss seem to have nodes which allows them to connect. There is a connector single box piece (the diamond) which is for corners. Look closely at the stage platforms and you will see the 4 node points in each corner and also in centre and centre of the sides for a total of 9 node points . This is where the truss nodes lock in. These would also be on the underside if not going through completely. - The ramp is likely a solid flat piece that has detachable angled sides that slot into perhaps a groove (notice the lack of node points on the ramp). Look closely where The Rock is standing and you will see a line behind him. That is the short part of the ramp that is also used on Nitro. Any doubts, the shading is identical as is the size. The back section of the Raw ramp is essentially an extension piece. - RAW behind the curtain has a large truss structure that has a support at the top. This holds a rod that hangs the curtain and truss/lighting. - Soft goods are entirely held onto the truss using clips and this is likely the same for the Nitro logo. - There seem to be 2 platforms intentionally designed for the smoke attachments and the openings may have "covers". Look beneath Goldberg and that is the two platforms that Kane and Undertaker are standing on except on most shots of WCW they have covers over the smoke opening unless this was a late change. I also envisioned and planned this same concept well before seeing the reveals but my methods do not involve 3d print so actioning it is not so easy. It was GREAT to see Mattel action it and it is a huge win for everyone if it goes ahead. I feel like this set sells itself and there is no need for figures. The sheer amount of plastic on this set would already be a high production cost. From every image I have seen of the set up Raw is made up of 8 platforms/2 ramp sections/250 truss pieces/24 truss corner connectors/a top girder truss system/rod/soft goods/rods with clips to stabilize truss beams/components to make the towers. Add on the lights and smoke now consider if we get a dual kit the Nitro requires less so at a minimum we are getting what Raw has. If this is indeed the crowdfund I will boldly call a $500 price tag. The only other thing I could think of is the Stage starts as Nitro and the unlockables are the extra components required to make Raw. Alright, dude...I'll just take your word for it. I'm still not sure that Mattel would want to do a massive set that involves both WWF/E and WCW, instead of just doing them separately, but I guess we'll see. Agree with you in that I could see them doing them seperate just for the $$ similiar to how we got a UE scale ring almost immediately after the crowd funds arrived. I feel both sets are far too big for general display and what possible figures are we going to get that we do not already have for either WCW or WWF other than Steiners/DDP and Mankind. All the top names have been done. |
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Post by nikostoybox on Mar 4, 2023 19:03:45 GMT -5
While I understand the logic behind having stages like those being crowdfunding projects the shear size would make me have to think real hard about getting them. I grabbed the new gen arena because I'm a huge fan of the golden era and the entrance was really a huge selling point for me. The ring was pretty much a bonus piece for me as I probably would have had to think much longer about backing if it was just a ring and figures. However after receiving it and seeing exactly how large it was I quickly found out that I really had no where to display it properly. Luckily I got some shelving for my loose Ultimate collection and I managed to put the stage on the top shelf so it could be displayed, however the ring has been sitting in a closet since I got it last summer just because I have no where to display it. Now like I said before even with the ring in a closet the $250 price tag was a little easier to justify considering I still got the entrance and 3 figures displayed from the set. However if future crowdfunds are in the $400-$500 range it's going to be quite difficult to pull the trigger just because I already know that I'll never have the space needed to display the stages, and spending that kind of money just for the figures that would be included wouldn't be very smart. Now what would be ideal would be Mattel giving those people who couldn't back the crowdfund for whatever reason the option to purchase the figures from future crowdfunds separately, much like the other made to order figures, granted the crowdfund was backed. The diehards who want the stages would still back it, however it would give the collectors the option to get the included figures without having the spend the money on the stage. I could even see them charging in the $60-$75 per figure range instead of the normal $50 price point for the made to order figures just because it's a crowdfunded project. Plus the money Mattel could make off the sales of the figures themselves could help with the production cost for the new parts and pieces needed for the entire crowd funding project and maybe help make the goal number a little lower and obtainable for those that are truly after the stages. For sure! The scale rings are ridiculously big. They look great but are not display friendly. It would be great if the crowdfund was maybe lower in price and excluded figures as you said alot of people only want the figures. Why not just make it like the UE Cody and Logan Paul and figures can be a one off pre-order |
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Post by Mongo Bears on Mar 4, 2023 19:33:19 GMT -5
Same, this is the one I really want. I am not sure what they could do for the Ultimates though. Maybe the Outsiders, Hollywood w/ tan and Satrrcade attire, perhaps Steiners or a Warrior? Sting would be ideal, but clearly that is not going to happen. 2 in 1 ultimate announcer/wrestler Steve McMichael. …Maybe an ultimate referee Nick Patrick |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2023 19:47:06 GMT -5
Excited to find out what it will be, but the more we learn about it… I doubt I’ll end up getting it.
Too expensive, no room, no interest.
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Post by fuennza on Mar 5, 2023 0:38:57 GMT -5
Can’t wait for this thing to be revealed
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Post by wholefnshow420 on Mar 5, 2023 1:25:22 GMT -5
If it's not the raw and nitro stages then I'm going to say it's possibly
Hell in a cell with rock Austin triple h undertaker Kurt rikishi Vince and stooges
Elimination chamber with Shawn triple h Booker rvd Kane bischoff or Nash Goldberg Orton
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Post by MKSavage on Mar 5, 2023 4:05:26 GMT -5
Same, this is the one I really want. I am not sure what they could do for the Ultimates though. Maybe the Outsiders, Hollywood w/ tan and Satrrcade attire, perhaps Steiners or a Warrior? Sting would be ideal, but clearly that is not going to happen. Another WCW Warrior would be great. I'd prefer his Halloween Havoc attire, but some of his Nitro looks would be great too:   |
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Post by muuk76 on Mar 5, 2023 5:54:29 GMT -5
The last time my ring spent weeks in Gambia getting a sun tan.
I don't fancy having that bs again due to being in the UK.
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Post by eatushsa2 on Mar 5, 2023 6:39:18 GMT -5
I don't want another ring, I already have 4 scale rings right now, I still have 2 smackdown fist stages that Jakks released and a real scale cell, the only thing I'd be interested in is a real scale chamber without a ring.
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Post by Old Zeke on Mar 5, 2023 7:54:24 GMT -5
The last time my ring spent weeks in Gambia getting a sun tan. I don't fancy having that bs again due to being in the UK. And I never even got mine - it went to Gambia, got returned to MC and they refunded it and told me there was nothing more they could do. Had to buy it in bits on eBay in the end. Makes me less inclined to back whatever the next one is, unless it's something I really, really want. |
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Post by attidudanalagression on Mar 5, 2023 8:27:46 GMT -5
Smack down fist! With Kurt and Eddie ultimates, smack down announcer desk with taz and cole elites
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Post by mcfclee on Mar 5, 2023 9:19:50 GMT -5
Hoping the dual stage idea is accurate as I’d love both.
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Post by ~*Young $ Money*~ on Mar 5, 2023 9:37:53 GMT -5
A dual stage would be really cool. I don’t have anywhere to put it or much to do with it but I’ll probably get one anyway just to get and have. Maybe one day I’ll have somewhere to display all this stuff
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